Kaby Lake Precision pre-release discussion (5520 / 7520 / 7720)

Your complain is still silly. Again, the yellow or blue tint (even in the BIOS setup) is completely subjective, because light conditions are changing and every human has a different colour perception. The only way to check you display is calibration. As long as you do not calibrate your display, you can not say if it is defective or not. Only calibration results are objective.

Furthermore, green or purple tint may be a bit suspicious, but yellow or blue tint is a just different white balance (colour temperature) setting, so it is completely normal. If you want to remove blue or yellow tint, you need to change white balance point by calibration.

 

So I chose this...

Intel Xeon E3-1535M v6 (Quad Core Xeon 3.10GHz, 4.20GHz Turbo, 8MB 45W, w/Intel HD Graphics 630

..and see for only $703 MORE, I can get this...

Intel Core i7-6820HQ (Quad Core 2.70GHz, 3.60GHz Turbo, 8MB 45W, w/Intel HD Graphics 530)

I guess supply/demand has driven up the prices on older chips

 

I've also noticed that after any initial sale of previous generation hardware in order to reduce the inventory the remaining stock of old machines tends to stay at the original prices. Perhaps there are situations when people are willing to pay the price for a superseded computer, probably because they want to have hardware identical to their existing computers to simplify support.

John

 

Business IT departments do some really stupid stuff, sometimes to keep images consistent, and sometimes just out of inertia. Although for places big enough to have a good relationship with a internal sales rep, the discounts often have no relation to public pricing.

 

Also gotta remember, the "legacy" 6th gen CPUs are the only CPUs that you can run Windows 7 on, and I'm sure that there are businesses buying new PCs that haven't made the switch to Windows 10 yet...

 

Why are you so hard pressed to negate his issue? I don't see it silly at all.

 

Agreed. I totally get that every display needs calibration to have standard colors between them, which may be particularly important to people who work with color sensitive stuff (photos, video editing, print, etc.). I mostly just work with code, so I don't want to bother with that, nearly all displays are fine for me with the default factory configuration. If I received a display with a blatant yellow tint, clearly visible outside of Windows — especially in a "premium" system like the Precision — you bet I would have them replace it. I've actually done it with an M4800 that we got. Dell didn't give me any trouble. You shouldn't be forced to purchase color calibration equipment just to not be annoyed by your display.

That said, your experience was unfortunate and I'm sorry to hear about it, but I think that it was clearly an outlying case. We'd be seeing a lot more complaints on here if this was common. (Check the earlyish pages of the M6600 thread if you like, there was a particular display vendor that they used for a while that had people up in arms.)

 

What I want in my Dell Precision "7730" with a "Coffee Lake" processor this winter, hopefully on Black Friday.

I had a Dell configurator all loaded up over last weekend. I intended to pull the trigger on a 7720 Monday morning. But after reading up on the upcoming Intel "Coffee Lake" processors over the weekend I decided to hold out until this winter instead for the next generation Intel processors and Dell Precisions. Based on all the speculation I've been reading, here is what I'm hoping for. Dell - are you listening? - I have a big pile of money that I want to give you! All you have to do is make one of these, lol:

A Dell Precision with...

* An Intel Xeon Coffee Lake E3-WhoKnowsM V7, a 14nm 3.5Ghz (base) 6-core, 12-hyperthread, 12GB cache processor with HD UselessGraphicsPro 730. I've read a couple articles that seem to think Intel is going to pop out a mobile 6-core by the end of the year for Coffee Lake, given the multi-core pressure from AMD. The high-end version is rumored to be the 6-core, 12-hyperthread, 12GB cache while the low-end is 6 core, no hyperthread, 9GB cache. Given the current top base is 3.1GHz I figure there will be the typical 3.2, 3.3, 3.4 maybe up to 3.5 new speed steps. Intel is claiming the usual 15% performance improvement for Coffee Lake, although a very recent article seems to be quoting 30% from some recent Intel conference. Who knows, the pressure from AMD is real. They really need to get it in gear now.

* A "class 60" M.2 2TB SSD (ie, the Samsung 960 Pro NVMe M.2) priced at 1.5x what I can buy it for myself, but saves me from having to spend time cloning a boot drive. Why isn't that in the current 7720 Precision configurator yet?

* Windows 10 because I have no choice. And hopefully by the time Coffee Lake is out the Studios will allow 4K streaming media to run in more than just the Creator's Edition Edge Browser, using the Coffee Lake processor's 4K decode that it inherits from Kaby Lake. That was another thing that killed off my order for the 7720. I want to be able to stream 4K Netflix movies on this beast and I don't want to use Edge. Ever.

* A 18.4" UHD/4K "wide border" panel, or at least wide enough to allow the cell phone antenna wires to fit, in case I want to add the mobile broadband module (that I can't right now with the existing Dell 4K panel). Given the 18.4" panel, maybe it should be a "7830" Dell Precision? That extra diagonal inch over 17.3 is important since geezzzz, 3480 x 2160 dots packed into just 17.3 diagonal inches? Talk about a Retina display. Even 18.4" is still too small but makes 1 inch more sense than 17.3".

* P5000 graphics for a few hundred dollars less, since it will be less by then, right? Right??

* 32GB = 2 x 16GB DDR4 2400MHz ECC priced at twice what I can probably buy it for myself, but I don't want to have to dig down to the keyboard to put in the two sticks hiding under there.

* 2TB 2.5" SATA spinner HD. I can have my internal 2TB class 60 do a daily internal backup. So I don't have to toss that Dell 1TB SATA 7200 rpm in the trash - what a waste - and insert my own 2TB.

* At least two 10Gbps capable ports since the Coffee Lake processors are rumored to support up to 6 natively. Support for that fancy new Dell 8K monitor would be a plus.

* An included $20 gift card for Starbucks. What better promotional tie-in for a Coffee Lake processor?

From the various article rumors it sounds like the Incredible Shrinking 10nm Cannon Lake processors (shrinking in potential market presence, not just line width) may debut Q1 of next year (2018) as just a low-power low-performance version for ultrabooks early next year while the 10nm process slowly ramps up to speed. Not a competitor to Coffee Lake at all, no longer something to wait for. That apparently will be Ice Lake, which is rumored to happen later next year, so probably will show up sometime in 2019. I'll bet Coffee Lake has a long market run given the work involved in bringing up that new 10nm process. Will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

EDIT 6/11/17 - here is the article where an Intel rep is quoted as saying Coffee Lake processors will be 30% faster than Kaby Lake chips, like the existing E3-1535M V6 Xeon, and available by the holidays this year (2017)::

https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel/intel-14nm-coffee-lake-release-date

From that article, at the top, they quote Intel's Gregory Bryant:

"Earlier this year you probably heard we committed to get a 15% performance improvement as we went from 7th generation to 8th generation core," said Bryant. "But you know our engineers, they weren't satisfied with that, they didn't want to stop there. They knew that they could do better and they dug in.

"Now I'm happy to report the 8th generation is going to deliver more than double that. That's right, more than 30% performance improvement generation over generation."

Woohoo!

Makes me wonder if the Coffee Lake memory and memory bus will get a notch faster than the current Kaby Lake DDR4 2400MHz ECC...

EDIT 6/22/17 - nailed it on both base speed and faster memory bus guesses! From 15 hours ago, "Coffee Lake-S Engineering Samples Spotted On SiSoft Sandra Database - 6 core, 12 thread... 3.5GHz Base Clock / 4.2GHz+ Turbo" :

http://wccftech.com/intels-coffee-l...essors-with-3-5-ghz-base-clock-4-2-ghz-turbo/

From that article:

"The IMC is clocked at 2.7GHz which means you are looking at DDR4 2700MHz"

Sounds like a new socket also to deal with the increased die size from the extra cores and cache. Add in support for the new Optane memory and I'm going to need a faster mouse.

Coffee Lake eats anything in its path. You really don't want to stand in front of this thing. Since Intel is integrating USB 3.1 Gen 2 [10Gbps connection to aforementioned new Dell mouse], WiFi and Bluetooth into the new 300 series chipset, that will eat little bits of the peripheral chip business of Realtek, Broadcom, and ASMedia, according to this article from 6 days ago:

https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/06/16/3-companies-to-suffer-from-intel-corporations-coff.aspx

and predicted in November of last year:

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-300-series-chipsets-may-include-usb-31-wifi/

 

i hope to have a 2560x1440 resolution, this to me is still ok on 17.3" screen compared to 4k. And the pathetic keyboard... OMG i skipped 7710 just because of no dedicated home/end button, and Dell repeated again in 7720, the designer's head knocked by troll? The arrow keys are smaller than M6x00 too, just too small for my pig fat fingers. Dedicated sound volume and mute button also no more, i use this quite frequently. The keyboard bezel is much more difficult to dismantle.

The E-port dock is too old and outdated, new E-port with TB3 and USB 3.1 Type-C ports should be introduced. Glad Dell still keep E-port on 7520 and 7720

 

are all CPU really able to reach highest frequency? It seems Dell throttle the max speed. my 3940XM never reached 3.9Ghz, max out at 3.8 only. Not sure how it goes with current 7920HQ or 1535m v6