Precision M4400 Owner's Lounge *Part 2*

That was helpful of you.
Thanks.

 

Alright ... QX9300 with no temp problems...Keep us posted... he he.
I'm putting you on the map for here being initiated and receiver of
the coveted "Evil Knievel Award."
Some day, this site may have a "soft-trinkets" app with trophies so we can designate
this honorary event properly. A trophy near your avatar.

Until then, I advise all members that read this post..
Show your support and cast a one +rep point towards your risky business.

You got 2(my limit) +Reps from me... "Casting your fate to the wind"



I won't start a repeat "Temps" rant, for the sake of yourself, and few others. lol.
Mainly because it permeates the last few pages here, anyway.

So... If it's true.., The QX9300 is of no concern... UNDER A HEAVY LOAD.
I may look into getting one. And I'll have to re-edit my posts, accordingly.

Of course, all kidding withstanding...
You do have all my blessings...
And a sincere, Good Luck.

BTW... Did you get the "more powerful 130 watt Power Supply?
The suggested upgrade your tech advised you about recently.

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Hi, I did not answer immediately because my Dell M4400 burnt. The CPU overheated, then the battery exploded and then the apartment went in fire, and because the other batteries in the other laptop the whole building was in fire. Everything in the flat has been destructed but hopefully with the rapid intervention from the firemen no one has been injured.

Err... Well, bad joke. Right now I use the Dell so I do not have enough time to test it deeply with specific applications.

So what?

After we agreed altogether with the seller, it took less than to days for the CPU to came from Shenzen to Xi'an. I received at 6pm a message with a photo of the CPU from the shop.

So two days ago I went to the shop early in the morning, with the M4400 equipped with an HDD hosting Windows 10 and the SSD with Apple Yosemite system in the pocket.

The guy showed my the new QX9300, and I gave him the M4400. He

- Removed the black plate at the bottom of the laptop

- Removed the fan

- Removed the heat pipe system

- Cleaned the fan and heat pipe (I had already done it the day before)

- Removed the P8700

- Put some cooler paste on the GPU and the new CPU

- Reinstalled everything in the good place

It took less than 10 minutes.

Then I powered on, went to the BIOS to see « QX9300 » and the 4 Cores (YES !) and started Windows 10.

On Windows 10 :

- I launched Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool to confirm the QX9300 is well detected

- Ran the test mode with this app

- Ran CPUID HW Monitor to see the 4 cores at 100% and the temp


After 10 minutes of 100% load the measured temps were by far under max temp. It means there is room for overclock if I want (not in the plan but who knows).



During the test we measured with a lab power unit the total consumption of the M4400, it was something like <2.2 A with 19.6V, it means the computer is eating <44W at full load so the 90W power adapter is enough by a strong margin, no need for the 130W adapter.

Then I installed the SSD to transform the Dell M4400 in a Mac system computer. It started immediately and showed the 4 cores. I launched XCODE (the dev environment) and it was really faster, especially with the compilation and the Simulator.

The seller gave me a thermal paste tube and tell me to clean the system and repaste in one year.

Back at home I installed the P8700 from the Dell in my Lenovo T500... Wondering if the T500 is able to manage a QX9300 (I like T500 since I replace the HDD with a SSD).

In fact, these old comupters with a 40$ 128Go SSD and some RAM running W10 are confortable enough for most of the tasks.

I used the M4400 with no problem, just looking at temps with CPUID to see what happens. It's funny to see the CPU most of the time @1600MHz.around 45° / 49° for each core, because most of the time I read or type text, with apps in the background. The CPU is between 1% and 20% load!



Because I have done a print screen the Task Manager shows 3% when CPUID is still @1%.

When I will find time I gonna try to play with ThrottleStop : I would like to undervolt and maybe underclock. Multi core with huge L2 cache is cool enough, I wan try to slow down the CPU and see if I can work like that.

Next step is a bay for HDD and try to select at boot W10 or Mac system.

Question: do you want a large test (ie two hours full load with temps results) ?

 

Alright, Renaud.
Excellent feedback. And I deserved that bad joke because you had me going for a quick minute.
I like Cupid HWMontor, I hope your happy with it too.

There's an app called Fur Mark... I think I sent you but here it is again anyway...
For reference: The 770m GPU has OpenGL ver. 3.3 and PowerMizzer version 7.0/VP3 switchable, under Direct X 10
http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/furmark.html

Overall, I can see your within stable operation during ten minute test @ 100% and that's a good sign. (without GPU)
You've established a reference point at the best time to witness stable operation. Always a good thing after a fresh
repaste with cool ambient temps at your advantage.

I am not an expert at knowing all the indicators in Cupid and knowing this tells me to keep a watchful eye on the Assembly Max temp threshold.
Without starting a lecture, this is where all the cautions are based.
If I manage to do the same tests.., I will do the T9900 first. mainly, because I have a new one. So I might as well, do some performance operations
just to confirm the difference in "Assembly" aka, System Board temps during idle and 100%, including the GPU at 100% is usually included during these comparisons.
To answer your question, Yes. I would like to see your findings in a two hour test...
Please include GPU at 100% using Prime95 benchmark app.

 

[Quote by RenaudChine.]
When I will find time I gonna try to play with ThrottleStop : I would like to undervolt and maybe underclock. Multi core with huge L2 cache is cool enough, I wan try to slow down the CPU and see if I can work like that.[End Quote]

Hey RenaudChine..
I looked into ThrottleStop and I'll explain later what I discovered but I do have an app that unclewebb linked
me to during replies.

I think you'll like this.
It's an option if you prefer, that monitors the CPU, GPU, Fans, Temps, and maybe more.
The download link was buried in an unclewebb article, which you should see, your self.

My posts and replies with unclewebb.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-383#post-10119696
Article
http://www.mediafire.com/view/1gnwmozzy0w/throttlegate.pdf

Fan Speed 4.51 - Courtesy of stringbuzzzzzz
http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php

There was a problem with web searching Speed Fan from other web links.
Where a Trojan was blocked by my anti-virus. The one above is clean.

Although I haven't opened my Speed Fan download folder yet.
I would scan all files with your virus protections.


BTW... The dang site here keeps managing to force me to re-log-in when I'm in the middle of a post... Meaning, I had more content to post above yesterday
but the site lost my copy/paste text. I'll explain later what got missed.

I did want to say...You did well with your last post and I look forward to seeing your 2 hour bench test and hopefully., With the GPU in the mix.

Good luck

 

Quick reply (I have to go, I play football...) : thanks for the informations! I will look later, but today is sunday and it means time with family and friends.

I've read few lines about throttlegate and seems to be interesting, but I wonder if it applies under W10 (anyway I can try to test, and if it still present it can explains why during test when I tried to reduce the speed the system never went back at full speed).

BTW I tried Prime anf Furmark yesterday. Results in Furmark are very very very low

And I want to thank you for the link pointing the video driver. Beforte that I tried to install the one from Dell without success, then one from Nvidia, without success. Now I have NVidia video driver.

I have to go...

 

Fan Speed 4.51 - Courtesy of stringbuzzzzzz
http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php

There was a problem with my web searching for Speed Fan from other web links.
Where a Trojan was blocked by my anti-virus. The Speed Fan link above, is clean.

Although I haven't opened my Speed Fan download folder yet.
I would scan all files with your virus protections.

I found a earlier version of Fur Mark more suited for M4400 Ara.
http://www.geeks3d.com/20090703/furmark-1-7-0-the-bad-boy-of-graphics-cards-utilities-is-back/




later

 

Hi,

As mentioned earlier, I am an old user of Speedfan, I think I get it in the beginning of 2000's years.

I was thinking about of long burn test on the M4400 and I think I am not going for it because I do not want to kill the M4400.

I use the 4400 for my iOs projects. It's an "HackIntosh" with zero installation problem that sports the 1980x1200 comfortable resolution and a working VGA output. So I need this computer.

Another point is that computer is from 2008. Even if my friend before gave it to me did not use it, the motherboard is old and the capacitors are older (before the went to the motherboard).

When you look at the specs in capacitors, you see clearly that heat is reducing their life duration.

So I think I do not want to kill a 2008 computer with CPU and GPU burning that do nothing for me except reducing the computer life. I can change few parts (fan, HDD, keyboard, Wifi card etc...) but I do not want to change the motherboard.

So I just can write about the QX9300 on the Dell: for my usage, it's ok. I can use W10 with Chrome, Winword, uTorrent in the back, my VPN app and everything like watching a two hours movie on the video-projector using the Dell with no problem.

With Mac OS 10 I can use a MySQL Server, XCode, Chrome, youtube, VPN app, Winword, uTorrent etc... with no problem.

On Windows, as said previously:
- CPU utilization is <20% most of the time
- CPU temp is <45°
- GPU temp is <50°

 

I don't even use mine anymore, but I always wondered was it just me that the gpu had a gap between it and the heatsink? I used a copper shim to take up the space. (T9900 and fx1700m)

Sent from my 831C using Tapatalk

 

I've found an interesting article about the QX9300 :
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Comparative-Review-of-the-Intel-Core-2-Quad-Notebook-CPUs.13426.0.html

News from my M4400 : I use it mainly with the Mac system. The M4400 is running better with this system than with the Windows 10 system. I have graphic card problem I think under W10. Not an affair, but I am pretty sure it's better to use the native W10 driver and let the NVidia ago (anyway the driver from W10 is surely written by NVidia).