*** Official Sager NP9877 / Clevo P870TM-G Owner's Lounge! - Phoenix 4 ***

Donald@hidevolution do you sell the vapour chambers on there own?

 

They are too scarce, so we only sell them to our laptop customers.

 

This is so true. 2 firecudas have failed in my household. One of them in the first 2 months. When I searched on the Internet to see if they can be recovered; I seen a world of firecudas failures. Something needs to be done about this. I wish western digital did a purple drive in 2.5" now that drive is reaible.

 

Purples afaik are meant for constant writes, like surveillance. You would rather get a WD Gold drive for general, any-purpose use.

Which is made by Hitachi/HGST.

Which make the Travelstar 7K1000 drives.

Which are the only 1TB 7200RPM ones actively sold in notebooks.

Which are of course already sold.

But wait!

Oh right

 

So a few questions came to my mind with owning this laptop.

Does anyone have pictures of the SLI vapor chambers on this new TM1 laptop?

Also, how can I know that my CPU is delidded and undervolted, basically, what are the normal reading temps/voltage with and without it, without having visually inspected to see if its delidded and to see the vapor chamber?

Thanks folks

 

thats just different opinion. the speed is a tremendous benefit depending on your workload, which i know what i need them for. im a storage/cpu guy, when i see graphics i have the same thought that going from 1070 to 1080 makes no difference. 96GB optane as OS drive is plenty, just gotta make use of it, of course bigger is welcomed.

 

I mean if you manage to shove an OS, your programs, your pagefile, and any temp files on that thing and still have space leftover, then by all means; more power to you. I could barely manage a 120GB drive as an OS without hitting ~16GB remaining half the time, and I install all my games and store things like movies etc on non-OS drives... 120GB formats to about 110GB, and 96GB probably formats to about 90GB, so that's about 4GB of space over that drive's 100% capacity I'd be missing.

 

Hi guys, here is my final set of benchmarks for the P870TM1-G with a single gtx 1070
Firestrike - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/14320607

Firestrike Extreme - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/14320662

Firestrike Ultra - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/14320683

3dm11P - https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12527043

3dm Vantage - forgot to save

Skydiver - https://www.3dmark.com/sd/4909438

CloudGate - https://www.3dmark.com/cg/4165375

 

Thank you for the benchmark screenshots, performance looks great. How are the temps on 8700K?

 

The temps are fine. Browsing and idle temps are in the high 30s in a 27C room but it is on top of a modified notepal u3 room. When benching in an 18C room, it never reaches 80C at 5.0Ghz, the 7700k in the P870DM is hotter imo, The core temperatures also doesn't spike as much as the 7700k.

added: I was of course using max fans when benching and take into account the extra cfms the modded notepal u3 fans are pushing.

Side note: It looks like XTU can no longer be avoided in the newer CCC, there is no .ini anymore where we can edit it.

 

maybe thats where the confusions are heh. i got ram disk ontop of optane so you're right all of my garbage files are in ramdisk, when saved it is compressed back to optane which is faster than traditional NVMe SSDs. i only got like 2 games installed and they only take up like 20GB at most so it aint that bad.

woah 6 cores 5ghz less than 80c under stress test is pretty amazing! @Danishblunt just cant seem to understand the value of desktop chip in a laptop. always thinking 4ghz is "good enough".

 

Oh yeah, when desktop PC's with watercooling (not talking about extreme solutions, they will probably be better), which are vastly superior achieve around 90s in stresstest on a 7700K @ 5ghz, while a crappy notebook cooling solution that can't handle 7700K on mid 4ghz is now able to handle the same architecture with 2 extra added cores on 5ghz because a user on a forum posted it could without any proof whatsoever.

Flawless.

btw my 4940MX runs at 12ghz and -16c. Trust me, I'm an engineer. (not really but you get the joke... maybe)

Also sorry that I don't share your thermal throttle values, I would love when my CPU wouldn't be permanently on critical temps all the time when doing something like playing a game on it. I prefer my system to not melt my hands, thank you very much.

 

Just add him to your ignore list like I did bro and the forum will once again be a nice healthy community without that cancer

 

Err... You're still not getting enough. Windows and some updates on it easily hits 40-50GB. Pagefile set the right way is probably going to be 16GB+ for any real multitasker. Then programs installed on top of that. There is no such thing as space left for games beyond that point. Either you don't set up windows etc optimally and have enough space, or you don't have enough space.

As for 5GHz 80c, he said benchmarking, not stress testing. If that thing finishes a TSBench 1024M or a realbench 15 minute run non-delidded at 5GHz then colour me really impressed.

 

Then how do you define "benchmark"? I mean technically opening a pain picture could be a benchmark, even tho a really weak one. It's so vague and without any information, that saying that the CPU runs on 5ghz is downright silly, there is no way that thing runs at 5ghz with decent temps. Pretty sure it would die the moment he would try to record gaming footage. The moment he would open crysis 3 on his "5ghz" the thing would crash or thermal throttle to oblivion.

It's unusable.

 

Not that you've ever understood anything I've had to say, but..

Benchmark: Short test usually under two minutes (often under 30 seconds) designed to test the capability of a processor and little else. Examples - Cinebench, TSBench 32M, SuperPi, 3DMark Physics tests, etc. The longer of these tests would be wPrime 1024M and TSBench 1024M.

Stress test: Lengthy test usually 15 minutes or more, designed to break overclocks and find maximum temperatures under any cooling solution. May or may not have a score at the end. Examples: OCCT, Prime95, AIDA64, Realbench stress test portion, etc.

Disclaimer: this statement is said purely for random people who may come and see this post train and get the wrong idea, that they may avoid getting the wrong idea, rather than to actually reform the quoted user.

 

Thank you brother @Mr. Fox , it's working. I downloaded a new copy of Win7 ultimate from the digital river mirror website http://mirror.corenoc.de/digitalrivercontent.net/ and used Asus EZ installer. It no longer loses USB support when installing Win7.

 

There is a reason I have notifications enabled for this thread. The knowledge for one...but also...the comedy. *Continues to eat popcorn*

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I can't wait until my gaming computer has arrived. I'm posting EVERYTHING!!!

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GameServ right now >>>>> <<<<<<< Phoenix

 

Booooo, wrong.
Benchmark is a test that results in a score that is compared to other components. The word itself even indicates it: Bench (working aka benching), mark (set a score).
Here are some definitions for you as well:
https://www.computerhope.com/jargon/b/benchmar.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benchmark_(computing)
https://www.lifewire.com/what-is-a-benchmark-2625811

Please don't redefine words.
I can't agree with your definition of stresstest either, It mostly takes longer, yes, (unless we got something unstable and crash, then it's not long, but at this point it would be nitpicking) "designed to break overclocks" What does this even mean? Are you implying that stresstest will attempt to under oder overclock your CPU?! Rest is also way to unspecific. Stresstest stresses your hardware so that you can see if your component runs stable in the most "hardcore" scenario, really that hard to define it?

Also just to showcase how ridiculous ole's belief in the 80c XTU "benchmark" is:


Delidded 8700K desktop 5ghz (6min 40seconds), XTU test on Cooler Master MasterLiquid Pro 280. Gotta be a special person to believe that notebookcooler 2c worse performing than 120bucks AIO desktop cooling solution.

 

Exactly!!!!!
I just sit and wait for the notification while working, watching the game, and watching my son play PS4... Multitasking@ its finest!!!

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My current situation...

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Good lord, why would you shove everything into a corner.

 

Because I have a wife....a wife that likes to shop. My man "cave" went to a man "corner" to accommodate her stuff, stuff for our business, etc. It's cozy, comfortable, and I love it.

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The PS4 is so my son and I can game together in peace without the women of the home (Wife, 2 daughters) bothering us. Peace is bliss...those of my married brethren know EXACTLY what I'm talking about...

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Oh man am I ever glad I added that disclaimer.

 

Yes...thread took a hard left...lol. I'll go back to lurking in silence...lol...


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i can start to see why people call you cancer.

@D2 Ultima i disable windows update as soon as window is installed, and i clean the update folder if i do update anything, my window is pretty well under my control. 96GB is a bit small but its enough would definitely prefer 240GB but that would be a dream that'll only happen 2-3yrs down the road.

 

You're welcome. Awesome... so glad it worked well Hopefully, other people will follow our lead in keeping W7 alive and well since it was the last good OS released by Micro$loth.

 

I'm going to say this once and not anymore. While an open forum is what we want for discussion, under no circumstances are there to be personal attack's on people's "intelligence". Just because someone has a different opinion is no reason for insults. If such actions continue....well there will be consequences. I won't name names. Good day.

 

Imo a delidded 8700k running at 4.7Ghz should be okay as a daily driver (pic taken @27C room temp).
I’ll try to provide cpu temp readings on games like Civ6 and Total War:Warhammer 2 over the weekend.

 

Pict from @dspboys posting... Stock 6 core 8700K in Cinebench need 112w. A lot more power than stock 7700K in same benchmark. I wonder what the clocks will be with a fully locked down 6 core 45W BGA chips in CBR15 if this is the new standard for power draw. Best bet 2.9/3.0GHz ? Or even higher as 3.1GHz ?

Did you remember the max Cpu Package Power in TS bench?

 

And, if they use W10 and no @Prema firmware mods for those wimpy BGA turdbooks, they'll do even worse. I've been looking back at my benching over the past couple of weeks and observe the following:

• Windows 10 beats Windows 7 in AIDA64 Memory Test
• Windows 10 beats Windows 7 in Fire Strike
• Windows 7 beats Windows 10 in 3DMark 11
• Windows 7 beats Windows 10 in 3DMark Vantage
  
• Windows 7 beats Windows 10 in Sky Diver
  
• Windows 7 beats Windows 10 in Cloud Gate
  
• Windows 7 beats Windows 10 in Ice Storm
  
• Windows 7 beats Windows 10 in Ice Storm Extreme
  
• Windows 7 beats Windows 10 in HWBOT Prime
  
• Windows 7 beats Windows 10 in wPrime 32m
  
• Windows 7 beats Windows 10 in wPrime 1024M
  
• Windows 7 beats Windows 10 in Cinebench R11.5
  
• Windows 7 beats Windows 10 in Cinebench R15
  
• Windows 7 beats Windows 10 in Aquamark3
  
• Windows 7 beats Windows 10 in MaxxMEM2
  
• Windows 7 beats Windows 10 in GPUPI

Quite the legacy of failure that the Redmond Retards are building for their pathetic selves. All of the @Phoenix and @j95 tweaks certainly help minimize the impact of their incompetence, but they will most likely never be enough to make Windows 10 as good as Windows 7. I think most of the time people and businesses get better at what they do with time, just as a fine wine improves over time. That's certainly not the case with Micro$loth or their newest OS abortion.

 

So prema mods are a go? I'm trying to see if metabox in Australia has the TM model or not.

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EDIT: Looks like they do.

Question I have is it worth paying the extra $560 AUD for 1070 SLI over a single 1070? I'm quite willing to go full SLI and mod both vBIOSs to make them run at full desktop levels.

 

I'd take single 1080N over 1070N SLI if I were you. Unless you're 100% sure whatever you're playing will use both cards

 

Good point. I don't really need SLI I just need the BIOS to be prema's.

 

If I were being completely honest, I find 1070N SLI to be almost... evil.

 

Most of the games I can think of don't really use SLI so I am not fussed either way. I'm just waiting to hear back from metabox about whether I can get Prema's BIOS flashed.

EDIT: So I've contacted Metabox and they're waiting on @Prema to send them the BIOS when prema is ready.

 

Awesome!
Looks like you are already hitting the throttle wall with a single 1070?! That shouldn't happen unless you raise the TDP to 1080 values. If so that would be the reason for the throttle.

 

i'd love to know what the TDPs are for those 1070s and 1080s.

 

Hi @Prema , yes that is correct I copied the Clevo 1080 limits using @Coolane 's tool and flashed it

It's the default TDP of the 1080, 190W.

 

great so I don't need to do any vbios modding like I did with the MSI 1070 that I have. so it's just a matter of clocks.

 

If you dial it back a notch to like 180W, you can avoid system throttle and get an even better score in 3DM11.

 

You still need to mod the vbios. The max clocks will depend on the temperature, the run I made maxed out at 46C. Before the vBios mod, my max temp is 37C.

 

What did you mod? the TDP?

last i checked it's still not possible to change the thermal throttling yet unless that's changed as well.

 

Just the tdp, what I meant was when I was running the bench the fans were on full blast and so are the modded fans in the u3, room temp is also at 18C. That is why it maxed out at 48C

 

I wonder how far off the Prema BIOS is from being ready? tempted to pull the trigger on a P870TM and sell off my P870DM-G.

 

Unhiding menus takes only a few minutes. But, that doesn't really accomplish much other than unhiding menus. Won't fix anything that is broken or screwed up. When a developer unit is not provided ahead of the product launch, the BIOS modding process doesn't even start until an acceptable and verifiably trustworthy volunteer is identified that is willing to risk their brand new system to testing experimental firmware. To have a BIOS ready at launch, that process needs to start long before it is available for order. How long it takes depends on how severely screwed up things are with the firmware, and how timely, aggressive and thorough the tester(s) is in providing useful feedback.