*** Official Sager NP9877 / Clevo P870TM-G Owner's Lounge! - Phoenix 4 ***

OT: I’m still unsure of the difference between the TM and TM-G units. I see threads separated for both.

 

The -G has an internal G-sync panel.

 

Ah, so my unit is a TM-G as well? I wasn’t sure with the naming convention.

Thanks for the info!

 

I live in the Southeastern United States

I did make a "signature" with the specs of the machine that I've ordered... They should pop up below...
~A~

 

I'm still anxiously waiting for my P870TM-G to get here... What mixed emotions are you feeling about it??
~A~

 

Waiting is the hardest part... mine will be arriving later this week or early next week.

 

UPS Quantum View is saying it will get here on 30th...
Which is in 4 days...
Or 96 hours... 96 hours is an eternity!
The cosmos was created in less time. Wars have been fought and nations toppled in ninety six hours! Fortunes made and squandered....
Can you tell that I am REALLY anxious to get my new computer?
~A~

 

Several, including a wrong part being installed. But that's another story.

No TL;DR, if you have or are contemplating buying this laptop, the P870TM1, you should read this.

What I like about it:
The LED's are really great, especially on the lid. I like that alot. lol
Speaking of lid, the design of the lid on this laptop is fantastic.
The speakers seems to be awesome.
The 1440p w/gsync screen is beautiful.
I'm impressed with a 1080p webcam built-in, as most manufacturers skimp and put 720p.
The keyboard is decent.
No logos are a nice option, glad I did it.
Plenty of I/O ports, like having 2 type-C's
Fingerprint reader is quite nifty.
and I saved the best for last,

This thing DESTROYS Destiny 2 on max settings @ 1440p, and to me, it's quite possibly the best game play on a pc I've ever experienced, the laptop that is.
So I imagine it'll handle any other game as well.

Now,

What I DON'T like:
noise noise noise noise noise noise!!!!!!! ugh!
The right fan hums and it's very annoying.
I have the single power brick and man, between the fan humming on the laptop and the power brick fans, I'll go nuts before I ever have a child.
I've had it less than 48 hours and it's already had a Synaptics BSOD, still working this one out. I checked some other posts but i'm still researching that out, (if anyone has any ideas for me, do tell please.)
I am not a software guru, but the speakers on this thing echo and it's very annoying, but also audibly unpleasant. Most likely can be corrected through sound blaster software installed? Not sure, still working that one too.
The included software is aesthetically nice, it really is, but that said, I'm sorry but it sucks. It literally reminds me of MSI and Gigabyte's glitchy ass OC programs. The fan curve options are limited and the customization of them might as well be practically non-existent. And believe me, you're gonna want a custom fan curve on this thing. I'm seriously debating on downloading and using MSI afterburner. It's the least non-****ty one out of all the ones available right now.
The fact that I am most likely going to need to run fans on max to play any game.

But above all, Primarily, temperatures.

Now, I don't know how much of a gamer or computer person you are, but I enjoy gaming and building computers. I said that to say this, I guess I've been spoiled from liquid cooling that I have on my 1080s on my desktop, but this thing runs HOT! I mean, HOT! Not just the GPU's either, the CPU does too.

I personally consider anything over 70c uncomfortable for me, everyone is different, but this is my max comfortable zone. I don't like operating any of my systems above that temp. Well, I've battled a little to get this thing to where its running mid 70's, but I did. No GPU overclock and fans on custom (only lets you go to 80%, found that very odd...) is what I used.

Want to OC your GPU's and game with them overclocked? Yeah, you can forget about that. Not happening unless 90c is cool with you. Now, these were benchmarks, so in-game, YMMV. Mind you, this is fans on max too. In-game, like I said, it fluctuates between 70c-80c in Destiny 2 because the fans are weird and run at wild ass speeds that I never even configured (hence the software glitches I mentioned earlier).

I guess I expected more cooling power from the vapor chamber combo than what it's really doing. I had high hopes for it. I have already purchased and am awaiting delivery on a laptop cooler that I hope can help get the temps down to the range I like.

I will try to get some internal pics posted when I get back from my government mandated trip to Asia in a couple weeks, should have more time to do it then.

I hope this was informational to not just Dreaminsomnina but to everyone else considering getting this or that currently have this.

 

Thanks for the feedback. What’s your ambient temperature? Is it lying flat on a plastic/wood/glass surface? Or is it raised? Did you get any LM repaste mod?

 

Ambient temp is 45-50c idle, which seems a little high for just idling if you ask me.

It is lying flat on a surface. It's been on a wood surface and glass desk so far.

I got 3 thermal pads and 3 tubes of paste with pretty much no explanation of what to do with it. Just a diagram on some components I'm guessing it needs to go on. Which confuses me because I feel like this should have been put on when it was built.

 

Have you tried undervolting and raising the back? It should help with the temperatures.

 

I have not tried undervolting. According to their website, it should have been shipped undervolted already, thats how I ordered it. I don't see any CPU OC utility on here, so I might need to check the BIOS, I've yet to inspect it at all.

I do think the laptop cooler will work though, that is, when I receive it. As long as it cools and keeps me from needing the laptop's fans on high, I'm cool with that.

 

While you wait for the cooler to arrive, you could try using some bottle caps (or something similar) to raise the back of the notebook and compare the temperatures in benchmarks or gaming.

Laptop coolers mostly help by keeping the notebook elevated, the fans don't really help much (unless you mod a U3 with powerful fans).

 

Interesting, I'll certainly have to try this.

 

They were applied, those are just extras for you should you ever have to re-apply.

 

Ah ok, well that helps bring clarity to it all. When I seen the diagram, I began to wonder what exact part they needed to go on.

For future reference, are these thermal pads for the SSD? GPU's?

 

Did he opt for LM?

I'd say they're for your GPU. With regards to the cooler, they are right. Unless you do some serious modding on the Notepal U3, you are better off buying just a stand.

 

LM? What is that?

As far as the cooler goes, I think it'll help bring temps down a lot. Hopefully anyway. Has 4 fans on it, I believe it also has a way to angle it too. I feel like as long as the vents under the laptop and getting fed air, temps should be cooler. For now, I have it jerry-rigged with a couple knick-knacks just propping it up to angle it, and it actually appears to be helping a little. I won't be able to use my cooler until after I return from my trip, as it will arrive while I am away.

 

LM = Liquid Metal (thermal interface material)

I'm assuming you bought it off HIDevolution because Donald replied to you about it. I was curious if you opted for their repaste/repad service.

As for the earlier ambient temperature question, I meant to ask your room/house/wherever you're staying at temperature. I apologize for the confusion.

I'm glad your cooler is helping you out a bit. I might just buy two laptop stands next month (one for my M18x R1 and the other for the P750TM).

 

Yeah, I bought it from HID. I chose the Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut + Gelid GC Extreme on CPU, Gelid GC Extreme on GPU option. So whatever that includes, I'm not too sure.

Well, I am in Alaska for the time being (I'm military, I didn't choose to be here lol) and I keep my living room warm, like 75-77-f warm. However, I am using the laptop next to a window with 0f degree arctic air coming in haha.

Oh, I don't have the cooler yet. Refer to my previous post.

 

That's good. I think that's the best they offer.

Is there any chance you can do @Papusan's AIDA64 stress test?

 

Probably not tonight, but I can in the morning. I've ran 3Dmark and had great results.

 

You do have quite some laptop on you. GTX 1080 SLI.

Good thing you're not gonna be dragging that thing around everyday.

 

Yeah man, for sure. Despite everything I said earlier, I do like it alot. The 1080 SLI pairs perfect with the 1440p gsync screen. Hell, I have 2 liquid cooled 1080's in my desktop running games at 4k and they don't run as good as this laptop runs at 1440p. That is the primary reason I did not opt for a 4k screen on this thing.

 

is there a delidded cpu?

 

Must be a delidded CPU since all of the CPU options (on HIDevolution) for this model are delidded with TG Conductonaut + Gelid GC Extreme.

 

Sensible choice, that and a high refresh rate 1440p experience tends to be better than a 60hz 4k for most people.

 

All, I didn't realize that no one has posted pics of the inside of the P870KM-G yet. I actually have my laptop with me here @ work as I wait for the RMA information. We have a "Laptop Center" here at my job so, I'll take it in there at lunch, open it up, and snap a few pics of the internals for everyone. I don't have any benchmarks as my computer only "lived" long enough for me to complete the Windows 10 initial Setup.

Edit: I'll post the specs of my machine shortly...

 

I ordered my first Clevo laptop from HIDevolution, Donald was very helpful answering all my questions about the configuration. I'm so excited about it but I think it will take a longer time to be shipped because some parts are out of stock. I can't wait for it to arrive!

 

I'll probably take the same route as you did...

 

Hey guys, so I'm getting this for potential photo/video editing purposes rather than gaming, hence, I get more value out of the 4K display option. Only thing is, it's not even an IPS... It's the same old AUO model from like 2015. I can't imagine it being accurate where it claims to be 100% AdobeRGB, but maybe somebody can vouch for it.

My actual question is, understanding all the nuance involved like BIOS/firmware support for something as simple as even adjusting the brightness, is it possible or does anyone know which display would be compatible to buy aftermarket better than the one the Clevo P870TM-G comes with? Thanks in advance!

 

IPS is just LG's trademark. The AUO B173ZAN01.0 4K on the EVOC High Performance Systems P870TM1 uses virtually the same technology, and is very difficult to distinguish from an LG IPS.

 

I was completely torn between the 3k & 4k screen I spent a month deciding which one to get. I'll also be using my laptop for photoshop and 3d rendering so color accuracy is important to me but I went with the 3k because the system can handle it better. Even a 1080 slows down with 4k gaming with games like tomb raider, not to mention windows scaling. So the compromise for me is to get an external ips monitor for work.

 

This is the internal pic of my Sager NP9877 / Clevo P870TME-G.

 

Thanks! What temperatures do you get?

 

Well, LG is one of the current largest suppliers of IPS panels (used to be Hitachi who initially took on and further developed the technology). Isn't specifically AH-IPS the one developed by LG? I'm not looking for exactly that (even though they are typically higher quality, though I agree shouldn't be considered like the only options), but isn't there a clear difference in how the technologies work? How can it virtually be the same? I can distinguish every subtle difference between every display that I've ever seen, so I'd have to somewhat doubt the validity of your claim, unless you're saying something. Perhaps I'm confusing this for being a TN panel when really it is in fact using the same technology as other IPS screens? It truly has 100% AdobeRGB and, a quality of IPS screens, retains its colors off-angle? I can hold you to that? =P

Sorry, but I'm being extra careful as this is a vital part of my buying decision. I need to know that I can actually work with it, because with all these random displays often put into these laptop displays, they often look pretty bad... Last question is, display technology has continually been improving over the past few years, especially for 4K monitors. While perhaps it would be unreasonable to expect it to have HDR and 500 nits of brightness or more (400 I find acceptable), why would such a relatively old display be chosen to be used? That's honestly what makes me largely question it, as it seems even today's displays are struggling to achieve its listed specs. Perhaps it wouldn't be necessary, but regardless, I still wanted to know if it's possible to modify and use a different display if the outcome wouldn't be fully desirable...

Thanks, I appreciate the input!

Absolutely true, but in the end you mentioned the reasoning behind it as being for graphics rendering in games XD

In my case, I absolutely need the resolution for other kinds of work I'd be doing. For em it's further just important that the display be of quality when it comes to contrast (largely how well the backlight bleed is handled) and color accuracy.

 

Thanks for the picture. I took a page out of @Mr. Fox book and have no screws holding my machine together. So I shut it down and opened it up. My MB doesn't have the plug socket sitting next to the CPU like yours does. That seems peculiar, a new plug, a couple threaded holes on the heatsink that serve no purpose. I think this baby was designed for a 4th fan. What do you think @Papusan

 

The minute someone starts selling the P870TM heatsinks I'm putting one in my X9E2. @Donald@HIDevolution your a man that knows how to get things. Any extra CPU heatsinks sitting around?

 

Double post

 

extra fins without the fan is kinda useless though

unless you find a way to splice power from the dm3/km1 cpu fan socket to feed the 4th fan

 

Can you please post a few close ups of the CPU heat sink area?

 

There seems to be a lot more copper on the new heatsink. The heat pipes are larger and there's a 4th heatpipe for the vrm's or cma's or whatever is on the CPU that needs cooling besides the silicone and the bottom of the fan is made out of copper. As far as splicing the fan wire I'll wait until @Papusan does it and copy him. I would like to know if the new plug socket on the 870TM is in fact for a fan.

 

Do you think that plug socket next to the CPU heatsink was meant for a fan?

 

Unfortunately, my CPU was a lemon so, I haven't the chance to run anything...it lasted 10 minutes (just long enough for me to finish the Windows 10 registration and then...the Computer turned off...Waiting for a RMA so I can return, get my credit back, and purchase another CPU from a different ReSeller.

 

How so? I took this pic @ lunchtime today...

 

Yes. This was very informative to me. Thank you wtjwillis. Based upon what you've said, I really don't think I will attempt to mess with the mem/cpu clock speeds until I do some serious performance testing to see how hot the system can get during normal hi-res gaming with it's default system settings. I see unigine has a new bench marking "thing"? I'm not really sure what to call it... It's called Superposition: https://benchmark.unigine.com/superposition?lang=en If you try it out.. Let me (us) know how your system scored?
I already own a Cooler Master Notepad U3 Plus Gaming laptop cooling pad for my old laptop. I was advised that I definitely will want to use it for the new laptop as well. I did not buy 2x 1080 SLI. I only bought the single GTX1080 card. It's likely that the heat generation won't be as severe with one card vs two? I also paid for the application of new "IC Diamond?" for the GPU/CPU.
Oh and by the way... I've recieved a shipping update from UPS... They rescheduled the delivery from Thurs to TOMORROW! Exuding Happiness over here!
~A~

 

Give me a minute to upload, I only took 3 pics while it was open. I'll keep them large so you can zoom in and see more.

 

Is this what you were asking about re: the heatsink?

 

I did a double post. I'm still not 100% on the NBR lingo

 

Ok, so for those who are curious, this AUO B173ZAN01.0 4K display used in this model is the same as the screen used in the Acer Predator 17 (having bought them, Acer is actually AUO's parent company). It is an AHVA panel which is an IPS variant (developed by AUO). I would argue that there's no comparison to make as it all depends on the implementation of the exact panel in question. In the case of this particular one, you can find people's reviews and accompanying measurements for it from searching the Acer laptop, like this one: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Predator-17-7700HQ-GTX-1070-UHD-Laptop-Review.223054.0.html.

Seems it does very much perform like other panels which implement IPS technology (the better variants) and the purported specs are actually more or less accurate. In any case, especially with the limited options in selecting your display for laptops as it is, I am more than satisfied with this display as utilized for this beast. It's a solid display at the very least can be said - gets decently bright (better than most screens actually), doesn't have particularly poor backlight bleeding issues (hence achieving admirable contrast), and in fact achieves (correction from before) the mentioned 100% sRGB levels. Only thing, I wish it supported 10-bit output, but I think I'll be able to live with my decision getting this =P