*** Official Sager NP9877 / Clevo P870TM-G Owner's Lounge! - Phoenix 4 ***

Haha, I'm new here too...no worries. Headed home now but if you guys/ladies need any more screenshots before I send this lemon back, let me know. I'm not going to be doing any Extreme teardowns as I'm not THAT familiar with these beasts but, I'll be more than happy to share some additional pics.

 

yes, I don't have that on my MB, it looks like it's supposed to be for a fan but what do I know. I could be totally wrong

 

Maybe Clevo will use same MB design for next Clevo P87xx with the new i9-9700K 9th Gen Mainstream Flagship CPU With 8 Cores. Hence the 4th unused fan header on MB. Aka finally 4 fans.

 

It's control center, has nothing to do with synaptics. Follow instructions here (and repeat with every single update of said software): https://hostr.co/file/dPFTqB8R4hF8/Screenshot3533.png

You don't need the software to do ANYTHING except backlight control, going by how the DM3 operates. Fan curves are useless. FN + 1 for max fans, don't need software installed. MSI Afterburner will do jack-all for fan control, don't waste your time: https://hostr.co/file/SgBOdw1EblEL/Screenshot3988.png

Oh yeah, that's a thing. Always has been a thing, on pretty much every notebook, if you want cool temperatures under heavy load.

70c is not hot. I understand what you're saying but if you're playing at 1440p and high/unlocked FPSes, you're gonna get high temperatures. The lack of bridge to the CPU heatsink means the CPU cooling is improved under full system stress but the GPU cooling is not improved. If your system is fully stressed with two 1080s and you're not hitting 80c at all, you should be happy rather than frustrated. You've surpassed 99.9% of all other gaming notebooks ever created.

Clevo does not know how to software. This includes firmware like BIOS.

You fix thermal pad placement and use something like Phoyba nanogrease extreme and you can probably heavily stress + OC the GPUs and sit in the low 80s, which is still mostly fine. What "benchmarks" are you talking about? If it's something small like firestrike then that's poor. If it's a power virus like Furmark, then it's invalid (the card long throttled below boost due to lack of power). If it's something like looping 4K heaven/valley... then that sounds fairly hot, I'm unsure how to consider it considering the separated heatsinks.

The vapor chamber would do its job if:
- The contact was great
- The fans were worth more than $0.50 USD each
- They didn't paint the grills
- See points 1 and 2
- See point 4
- See points 4 and 5
- See points 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6.

 

Looking at the holes and that socket, definitely.

Sweet thanks!

At this point, i couldnt care less lol. Im done with DTR's. Specially Clevo DTR's.

 

What's a DTR?

 

Desktop replacement computer (DTR)

 

ALL IPS screens are LG, but not all IPS screens are 100% RGB. You have to look up the model number, whether it is LG IPS or AUO AHVA to see the specs. AHVA is AUO, not LG, nor is it a TN screen.

Released in 2015...not exactly old. See http://www.panelook.com/B173ZAN01.0_AUO_17.3_LCM_overview_25358.html. 400 nits/1000:1 contrast, 100% Adobe RGB, 16.7MM colors. Click on the Specs tab for more details, and download the Datasheets .pdf. Viewing angles are virtually side to side, and it works beautifully in direct sunlight.

What other display would you want? Without a manufacturer and model number, I couldn't say whether it would be supported, however virtually any 3.3V, eDP (4 Lanes) , 40 pins , Connector should work.

 

yes, I chose the delidded CPU option.

 

I really wanted a 4k screen, but after seeing how 1080 SLI performs on 4k on my desktop, my choice for 1440p on this laptop was WELL worth it.

 

Congratulations! Glad you're getting your system earlier.

Depending on the cpu you got, plus the fact you will have 1 less GPU than I do, your system should run a little cooler. But, I am still going to recommend you use a laptop cooler, at minimum, until you do some tests of your own to see how your temps are. I don't think I'll not use my cooler once it arrives. I don't use headphones much, so being able to run the laptop fans cooler because of the 3rd party laptop cooler I ordered, is well worth it to me.

 

Just saying what the BSOD said, it said Synaptics, but good to know it's control center. I'll need to save this post to do this when I get time. So, just to make sure I understand you correctly, you're saying everytime I update the Synaptics driver, that registry process needs to be done?

Well, LED control, fan control, etc. And fan curves are useless? That's the most farfetch'd thing i've heard all month, maybe even year. You realize you can create fan profiles in Afterburner right? Alot better than the Control Center. I personally find them quite useful, as 80c+ is not a temp I want me laptop to be at. Period. So user preference on that I suppose.

I never said 70c was hot. I said I am comfortable when my systems run 70c or less. Anything ABOVE 70c, is hot to me, on a laptop anyway.

Truth. It's quite evident too.

3Dmark is what I used. I haven't really ever used any others. I've yet to stress test it, but I plan on it. Speaking of thermal pads, I received 3 extra, along with 3 tunes of thermal paste. So maybe I can do something with those once I open the system.

So how exactly would I confirm that? Kind of hard to differentiate when the system pushes 90c+ with gpu oc's on.
With no OC, fans on 80%, I get around mid 70's, which i'm alright with. Primarily because I've not been able to achieve anything lower than that lol.

 

Every time you update or reinstall control center. It lists synaptics as the fault but it is control center interfering with other things in the system, hence I am letting you know the actual source of the issue.

Fan curves, maxing at 80% speed, are not very useful when you are attempting to keep temperatures down. If you're running an intensive game and you want temperatures low, you run max fans (fn + 1 toggle) or you see high temperatures. MSI Afterburner does not control our fan system, hence it's useless for fan control on these units. I even showed you a picture showing that the slider was totally grayed out. You can't even use HWiNFO64 to control fans as far as I know. You do not need control center to use maximum fanspeed, so therefore if 80% fanspeed in a curve is not enough, CCC is about useless for it.

Above 70c being hot on a laptop, as I said, is impossible to counteract. They don't design these things to achieve such low temperatures. If you're under full system stress, you're going to at the least approach 80c in an A/C room with good cooling work done on the unit. Maybe if they did what I said in my last point in the prior post, we might not be in this situation now.

A single 3DMark run hitting 90c? That's bad. Looping 3DMark runs with 80% fanspeed maximum hitting 90c? Makes sense. That extra 20% goes quite a way. In noise too. You will need to buy a whole range of thermal pads. Arctic 6WM/K for cheap, reusable ones, or a mix of fujipoly 11WM/K and 17WM/K for best performance (that I know of) and you aren't afraid of not re-using them. Also, you need to follow a contact guide for a base, and determine the particular contacts of your heatsink once you get the base setup.

If you're getting mid 70s at 80% fanspeed, then use 100% and drop some more. Nothing else I can tell you other than to make use of FN + 1.

 

Any news here?

 

It will be great if someone can try the P870TM CPU heatsink with a 7700K, to see if there is a temp difference between the new heat sink and the old KM1/DM3 heatsinks.

 

Can we get a picture of where the heatsink meets the fans? Is their still a gap?

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P870TM

 

I feel like they're going to release new gpu's soon. Who else would feel bad getting this rig now and having a gtx 2080 get release in the next few months?

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Sorry,

I sent it back this morning...

 

NVIDIA next gen won't be released until late next year, sometime in the Fall.

 

@SirSaltsAlot I'm not a gamer but I know quite a few people on the forums that are. The P870DM3 with the 7700K and 1080 SLI can handle just about anything that's thrown at it. That being said there's always going to be the latest and greatest tech right around the corner. If you purchase an P870TM from HID with the delidded 8700K and 1080 SLI I'm sure you'll be all set for quite a while. If you wait for the next gen CPU or GPU you might never end up getting anything.

 

That's late, unless they're specifically not going to bother releasing new notebook cards for a while

 

Exactly.

 

LOL

Oh Nvidrosoft...

 

Why?

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I wasnt going to go with the sli.

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Any clevo reseller selling just the P870TM CPU heatsink?

Does anyone know if the P870TM CPU heatsink will still be able to connect/bridge with the dual GPU VC heatsink for the P870KM/DM2/3?

Has anyone tried this? If so what are the temp difference for your 7700K CPU compared to the old CPU heatsink?
I understand that the P870TM can not accept Sky or Kaby Lake CPU's by the way. So this test must be done on a KM1 or DM2/3.

Any owners of the P870TM laptop; please upload screenshots/live videos of your temps (and average temps) with a delided 8700K CPU with a long system uptime. This will be great reference for enthusiasts. Thank you.

 

Not a chance.

 

Well, the old P870DM2/3 cpu heatsink had to be replaced with the cpu heatsink from the grid. Based on that, it will be unlikely that the P870TM1 cpu heatsink will work with the vc since it is larger.

edit: Scratch that, I'll receive the unit on Friday morning

 

It stopped working ten minutes after I turned it on...

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Thanks.

Now I'm curious on what the overall system temperature are compared to the older heatsinks.

If anyone has information on where to buy the full P870TM heatsink kit, then please share it on here.

To P870TM owners: Photos please. The more, the merrier. There is nothing rude in showing a naked laptop too. Don't be shy...

 

May be @Eurocom Support?

 

I as me my supplier about temps and he said they tested one and got temps of 70c to 80c on cpu and gpu under full load.

If that's true it's very promising that nothing needs to be done to it out the box as he also said a de lid would void my warranty.

 

Hidevolution.com sell their systems with the cpu dellided already. Since the reseller does the delid, it doesnt void your warranty.

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Yeah but I'm buying from a UK supplier and they won't let me do it or offer it as a service. Not the end of the world as I wasn't thinking of overclocking anyway.

 

It's second fan connector!?

 

I'll upload the other 2 pics that I took of my system before shipping it off. They are similar to the 1st (Albiet another orientation)

 

what seller?

 

This is all I have...

 

Here are some benchmarks of our all new Sky X9C with GTX 1080 SLI and 8700K and some configuration options.
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12519970
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Impressive.

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We have new P870TM1 VGA heatsinks available. Make sure to use 780W with SLI 1080 and 8700K. Unlocked BIOS is in works so you need more power.

 

is that cpu delidded?

 

Is a heatsink available for a Non SLI version? I'm curious as to how much a heatsink would help...

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Yes, CPU is delidded. We use dual GPU heatsink even for single GTX 1080. Extra cooling doesn't hurt.

 

do you have tests with aida64 extreme (stability test cpu+gpu)?

 

Ask Papusan:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...lounge-phoenix-4.809589/page-22#post-10638747

 

Is there a price available yet? Is this something that the end user will complete on their own or is this something we'd send our cpu to your facility to have installed??

 

Need upated pictures for the new CPU heatsink.

 

All boards have a second fan connector for now yes. I posted close pics of both sides of the heatsink and with them removed from the motherboard.