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Anyone want to take a gamble wether this machine will be able to upgrade to the new Nvidia Volta GPUs when they drop? It has me really anxious. I realize it’s always a crapshoot. But based on past experiences.

 

I'm definitely not a gambling man. If the Volta GPUs are really important to you, I'd wait it out. Like you said "based on past experiences". With that said, there's always going to be the latest and greatest around the corner.

 

Hold out if you want Volta. It is more than likely already finished most of its development since its being used in the Tesla V100. When nVidia are done milking Pascal for all its worth they will release it at some point next year.

That said i'd be surprised if Volta cards weren't supported (if they are even released on MXM).

 

They are very important to me but I also don’t want to not play video games until an unknown date.

@Arrrrbol youre saying you’d be surprised if I couldn’t upgrade to a Volta card? Sorry, a bit unclear on your wording. It’s me, I’ve been working 90 hours a week.

 

No problem.

I'd be surprised if the Volta cards don't work in current systems. As far as I know there is no change to a different display connector etc. Might need a inf file mod to get the drivers to install though.

 

If Clevo sticks with their current mxm design, it should work.

But we've seen them screw us over once so.....we'll just have to wait and see.

 

@Arrrrbol @ssj92

Assuming it’s a “clean upgrade,” is that all it boils down to? Editing a few files? Or would I potentially not have g sync, difficulty installing drivers, etc? Best case scenario.

 

Assuming the mxm design stays the same, you will most likely just have to modify the inf file in the drivers each time you want to install drivers.

G-SYNC should stay as long as the panel and gpu are both G-SYNC compatible but worse case is you lose G-SYNC.

 

@ssj92 i can’t imagine nvidia pulling g sync compatibility from Volta, and the p870tm1 is g sync compatible (2440x1440)

 

That's not what I meant. I mean the bios has to accept the GPU for G-SYNC as well. There are also G-SYNC and non G-SYNC versions of the GPUs.

 

You said it... When nvidia are done milking Pascal. New one on their way for Christmas . Don't hold your breath waiting for Volta

Rerouting wires for MXM slot is a easy fix to do

 

I'm watching closely too. I have a feeling the next gen will be compatible. I don't think they'll be able to get away with the mockery of selling MXM machines only to make every gen incompatible - maybe just every other gen. We'll find out. Most of the damage has already been done though.

 

Could Clevo have made a GTX 1080 with sli and running 180 or 200 watts in the old MXM form factor (similar to the old 980m)? Basically staying with the old 870DM platform. Or was there a reason they had to make the current cards the way they did?

 

Up to GTX 1070 could have been made in standard mxm 3.0b form factor. The new Eurocom 1070 and the Quadro P5000M we've seen are in correct form factor.

As to the 1080, it probably could have used the "980 SLI" style format that was used in P770DM but apparently Clevo wanted to make their own form factor that they could use in the future. So we will see if that holds true.

 

Next level in screwing... Although Clevo would use same board design. A possible outcome... Volta with HBM2 and we will yet again see a different Die placement Don't shoot the messenger

 

i'd swallow it and take HBM2 along with an laptop upgrade. once upgrade to HBM2 is done, going back to gddr5x or even gddr6 or 6x should not be allowed.

 

Volta will use GDDR6 over HBM2 most likely

 

Depends. The Tesla V100 is using HBM2 so nVidia aren't opposed to the idea of using it. Its possible they will use a mix of HBM and GDDR memory.

 

The GP100 chip also uses HBM2 but you don't see GP102 (titan and 1080ti) using hbm2.

 

They are opposed with more mass produced lower margin products.

 

Even Intel's new BGA Crap come with HBM2 memory. Why shouldn't we expect HBM2 for Volta? It's about time, bruh. And prices will sink the more we can see of it.

 

milk continues with nvidia, if they do put HBM2 they'll raise those mobile cards to $2k each! from the original $600 when i first bought my m18xR1

 

Intel are using a new and cheap method of linking the GPU to HBM, something Nvidia don't have access to. It's expensive and lower volume with GDDR5/x offering the required bandwidth so they have avoided it.

 

$600 will never ever come back, bruh.

 

New CoffeeLake laptops powered by Intel Z370 chipset, 6core/12treads CPUs like 8700K and GTX 1080 SLI would take advantage of the 780W AC Adapter and deliver maximum performance. Don't even try to use single 330W AC Adapter with 8700K and 1080.

 

Any news about the upgrade kit for the previous model?

 

By the way I would not listen to power scares in terms of gaming, a single 1080 and 8700K will draw around 270W from the wall typically so well within margin of both, running furmark and prime AVX however perhaps a bad idea.

 

We will offer upgrade kits in about 2 weeks once we make sure that everything works. We already have 8700K CPUs available.

 

Does anyone have pictures of the inside of the machine yet? So we can see the new CPU heatsink, if there's 3 or 4 fans.

 

How about upgrade kits for P775DM3-G to P775TM-G?

 

Will there be a chance for a trade in program between the previous model (motherboard, cpu(7700K), heatsink & fan) and the new model that can help reduce the cost of the upgrade kit?

 

Hey folks!

I am new to these forums. I pre-ordered a P870TM-G in October and got an email on Tuesday that it is now in the building and testing phase. This will be my first Clevo machine. My current is a gt60 from XoticPC that I got 5 years ago, nearly to the day. It has been the most solid machine I have ever owned but, it's starting to show its age so, this is a super exciting step up!

So, in the Clevo realm, assuming I try and hang onto it as long as my gt60, is there anything I should keep an eye or ear out for? Is the Prema Bios stuff something I need to consider? What about de-lidding the 8700k thats in it? If i decide to put another 1080 in it eventually, will finding the appropriate heat sinks/pipes be problematic?

Looking forward to spending some time here with y'all!

 

If it's available definitely get the @Prema bios, I would de-lidd the CPU, but Check and see if its going to void your warranty. Finding parts for this model shouldn't be any issue. So if and when you plan to go sli you'll have no problems.

 

I'm curious if Prema will offer the P870TM-G bios to people who didn't buy through one of the "Prema Partners" (HID evolution I know is one). I know that some of his bios are "exclusive" to his partners, but I haven't noticed which bios are such. Considering how much his bios are touted with the P870 models, I would think that would be the case. I guess time will tell once it's developed and released. Personally, I plan on a mild overclock/undervolt with XTU and calling it a day once my TM-G arrives. I want a low heat, rock-solid workstation, similar to how my DM-G has been serving me for the last year and a half...

 

Will that allow upgrades from 870DM3 ?

 

I just ordered a p870tm, gonna replace the gx800 I had to return because of the extreme coil whine, just wondering, is GPU overclocking even possible on this system? The gx800 happily did 2050mhz for both the gpus without any throttling, was hoping this might do the same, I did request a thermal repaste and unlidded binned 8700k, which I will probably undervolt a bit, but really don't wanna compromise on the GPU though

Edit: placed order with HIDevolutions, so I would probably get prema bios?

 

If you ordered through @Donald@HIDevolution or @Ted@HIDevolution or any of the HID team, you'll definitely get the @Prema bios when it's available. It does take some time for Prema to set it up or work his magic or whatever or however he does what he does with the bios, (I have no clue, just know that it's awesome). Once it's ready, HID will flash the bios for you. You won't need to send it back, they'll do it remotely. (no clue how they do that either) but they'll take care of it. You'll get great service through HID and be EXTREMELY happy you got the Prema bios

 

Yes the cards clocks can be modified.

 

No performance reviews yet?

 

No, but it should be pretty easy to guess

 

Whelp... I signed up to this threat because I've recently ordered a custom build of the Clevo P870TM-G Laptop....It should arrive the end of Nov. And I REALLY can't wait for it to get here..

 

Congratulations!

Please put your configuration in your signature so we can see what you got.

Where did you buy it?

Where are you located?

 

This and don't forget to share pictures when it arrives

 

Got my P870TM1 in the mail finally. Boy am I scattered all over on opinions with this thing..

 

Can you post some interior pics.

 

I will try to. I've got to go out of state for a couple weeks, i'll get this open as soon as I can and update yall. Hell, i'm curious myself to see the innards. I've built plenty of desktops, but this will be my 1st laptop open that i've ever done. Probably need to go to Best buy and get a new tool set too. I plan on adding more SSD storage down the road.

 

This is the only tool you need to do most things with the laptop:

 

A decent one so you don't damage the screws too

 

Oh, well if that's the case, I have a mini screwdriver for tight spaces. Somewhere in my house.... lol

Anything holding the bottom back after I take the screws out? Like I said, it'll my first laptop open, so I'm new to this realm. I remember once upon a time there used to be wires attached to certain laptop models from various manufacturers that had wires connected to the bottom of the panel that could break/rip if you were to take the bottom panel off.

 

There are no cables attached the bottom panel to worry about.