*** Official Sager NP9877 / Clevo P870TM-G Owner's Lounge! - Phoenix 4 ***

Hey..I actually had 3x GTX 480s in SLI, I should have tried cooking my eggs.

Best cards I've played with, OC & OV.

 

Man this is awesome to see. 6 cores in the big boy Clevos are the best argument to get one in quite a while. Pulls them way ahead of the now much more pitiful quad cores. A 6 core in a 15" is a thing too now heehee. Desktop cpus back on top by a serious significant margin instead of low double digits.

 

but are the fins themselves shorter or just not covered as they were at dm3?

btw, I found the same simplified heatsink in later DM3 mahines, which means it was introduced prior to KM1, they even have part number containing *873* while KM1 heatsink is 87K

so which part number the original HS has?

 

I do not see a part number decal. Maybe check the P870DM3 service manual is the best way to tell. Perhaps they re-used the part number even though the design changed. If they did that and changed the part without changing the part number, probably won't be able to order a good one. There is also the possibility that they do not have any more stock of the older/better design to sell.

 

Surely not reference ones as the VRMs in those got a bit too toasty.

 

Just bought my P870TM1 I'm excited to get this machine, gonna be my first beast of a laptop.

Thank you @Donald@HIDevolution for the help!

 

let us know if cpu heatsink comes with 2 fans!! ty!

 

My pleasure Sir...thank you for your confidence in HIDevolution.com!

 

It seems this is a big secret, we are keep asking with no answers.

 

How can we provide answers about a machine we have yet to see? Please...everyone...just be patient until we get them and then we can provide all the answers you need. Most important is not how many fans, or how big the grilles are...the important facts are what are the temperatures we get from stress testing and gaming.

 

I just thought that the most important resellers on the market like HID, Eurocom and others should know an early information, and maybe way or another participate on the design as well.

 

Eurcom had taken pictures of the new heatsink and took them down from their website, that or they were given pictures by clevo which is unlikely. I think Eurocom knows but just not releasing the info yet. clevo did mention theres only 3 fans though..

they do put a lot of work into their heatsink to be frank, aside from Gt83VR's heatsink the rest didn't really appeal to me that much. they may be effective but the effort to take them apart and not bend them by mistake, whewwww.

the amount of copper & vent space is something clevo should learn from, but not the way its designed of course. pair that up with prema bios and we have an instant winner, unlike what we have now MSI bigger heatsink with restricted bios, clevo with better bios inferior cooling.

 

there is no mentioning of the extra fan in the p870tm service manual

 

as well there is no extra fan connector on the MB

quite unfortunate to see 8700k 6 core still only support dual channel RAM, pfff....

 

Well, have to say I'm curious to see performance and thermal numbers, both stock and at varying OC levels.

 

I was getting concerned when I wasn't getting a PM about delivery of the test unit. I'll continue to wait patiently. @Mr. Fox , @Prema I'll keep you guys up to date on how this beast runs.

 

Can you link the service manual please?

 

In worst case is the extra small heatsink grill more for off loading temp for VRM*s. But as you can see from the other Coffee models, there aint much improved cooling vs former models. No extra fan or no extra HS grills. We have to see how this will fare away.

Spoiler: P75xTM: Cooling

P75xTM:

P77xTM have separated HS for Cpu and Gpu this time. But as you can see, not the big improvement for the Cpu HS capacity (Compared with P870TM1).

Spoiler: P77xTM Cooling

P77xTM have separated HS this time. But as you can see, not the big improvement for the Cpu HS capacity (Compared with P870TM1).

Clevo could use cable splitter and connect both cpu fans on the same MB fan header.

 

only through PM, I am not sure it's not under NDA

 

possibly, the cpu fan port is 4 pin, unlike the gpu fan

but still the service manual and schematics are lacking 4th fan

 

Is there anything written about the new bracket attached to the CPU HS? Have to be a reason they welded this on top.

 

check your PM, maybe you will find something. I am 99% sleepy right now

 

I've gone on the Microloops website. It looks like they just make Vapor Chambers. Obviously not.

 

I apologize, I did not think you were serious.

We do all of our own testing internally...we do not use 3rd party testers.

 

I'm just breaking your chops @Donald@HIDevolution Definitely wasn't serious. Some days it gets way too serious on the forums. So a clown like me will post something like this to ease tensions.

 

Glad to hear it. I have to admit...both posts did give me a bit of a chuckle...under my breath of course.

 

8700k stock will probably have no issue at all, but we want to OC!

share the knowledge!!

 

Well you did have that one user who thought we serviced your machines....

 

Just purchased the KM1 a few months ago and now this beast pokes it's head in to taunt me. Buyers remorse at it's best. I'll have to give mine a spit shine, put my blindfold on and chant "There's no place like home, there's no place like home."

 

Or just play some games and enjoy the sweet FPS.

 

Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't the old P570 have a heat sink better suited to cooling a desktop chip?

Spoiler

Then again back then desktop CPUs were using 130-150W rather than 90-95.

 

It had a huge CPU heat sink, but it still had serious thermal management issues. I would not say it was better based on the fact that it was inadequate. It weighed like 1 pound 4 ounces all by itself, LOL.

 

Haha. Its always going to be a challenge keeping overclocked desktop CPUs cool in a laptop. I think they were onto the right idea giving the CPU twin fans though - since you are so limited for surface area in a laptop high airflow is the best thing you can do to keep things cool.

 

The biggest problem is that it fit extremely poorly (minimal to no direct physical contact with CPU IHS) and it was not as large as it needed to be for a CPU that pulls almost 250W when overclocked under full tilt load (4930K and 4960X). It if did not fit so poorly it would have been OK for running stock. To be honest, using even a high end air cooling system on a desktop would also suck with a CPU like that.

Here is what I was seeing from the P570WM with 4960X and 980M SLI that I used to have.

 

Damn that thing is power hungry.

Poor contact from heatsinks is the bane of notebook cooling - not sure why its so hard to get it right from the factory. I can understand being careful with mobile CPUs and their exposed die, but with a desktop chip putting a bit of pressure on the IHS is fine since its designed to take it. A better designed mounting mechanism with some longer threaded screws would go a long way.

 

I know, right? I don't get it either. It's not limited to Clevo. I think it probably wouldn't be that difficult. It seems like they are just not trying hard enough and not paying attention to what they're doing. Some of them might not care, but I think is safer to assume engineering incompetence and sloppy manufacturing more than not caring if the stuff they are selling is garbage. All just guesses on my part, but the problem is real. The thing that leave me scratching my head is, where is the R&D on this kind of thing? Maybe not having any robust testing program is part of the problem. If their computer design software says it is hypothetically good enough to do "X" and they are putting an inordinate amount of trust in theory, maybe they just roll with it instead of thoroughly testing a POC before it goes to RTM phase.

 

do you plan on upgrading clevo mobo and cpu? to 6 cores mr fox?

 

No. I have only the P870DM-G that I am upgrading to 1080. It would be too costly and require too many parts to upgrade the P870DM-G. Top cover, bottom cover, interior frame are all different and do not fit. I am not planning to spend any more money on laptops in the foreseeable future. My attention and interest has shifted to desktops.

 

ah i c you sold the dm3 but kept the dm, i thought its the other way around. going from dm to TM would prob need chassis replacement as well iirc.

 

What's going on here? Are there still no sign of these TM1s?

 

Why would there be before the ship date?

 

You guys don't get them beforehand and do testing? Cmon @Meaker@Sager you can be straight with me. PM me some pics, I'll keep them to myself.

 

To be fair doing that would likely enrage the community rather than help.

 

HAHA!!
I was just about to jokingly thank you for sending the pictures. I figured you'd end up getting lynched if I did.

 

Not sure if this is mentioned in a thread at NBR however we have been getting calls on this...

Are you offering a TM or TM1 model?

The difference is the power brick rating when configuration of GPU is different, the machine itself is the same, but it’s named and labeled differently for safety certifications.

So in a nutshell if you get one with a that uses 230W AC Adapter it is a TM model.

If you get a 330W AC Adapter is would be TM1 model. I apologize if this was mentioned somewhere here...

 

It's just like the DM2/DM3 really.

 

If you follow the same terminology, so should DM be offered with 230w psu.

So you mean resellers/vendors out there use wrong term for TM vs. TM1? Lets say Avadirect. As I know... TM is the version put up with single graphics (f.eks GTX 1080 GPU configuration). This means from your info, should the model only be offered with 230W psu

 

Well I think most would agree that a model that has BOTH the 8700K AND the GTX 1080 should not run a 230W AC adapter but should have the 330W or more.

Anyway I did not make this up as this info is how Clevo labels these models.

For example the NP9877 in the link below from Sager is a P870TM1-G.

http://www.sagernotebook.com/customize.php?productid=1356

 

I'm not going to polemic here But it seems Clevo does not always put up their machines as stated in their manuals. This pict is from the P870TM(G) manual. With the following Video Adapter Options (single 1070 and up to 1080 SLI). As you can see, Clevo operates with 230W psu. All configurations as mentioned above should use Power converter box aka dual 230w. No places written single or dual 330w power adapter

 

Should be 330w even for a single 1070