*** Official Sager NP9877 / Clevo P870TM-G Owner's Lounge! - Phoenix 4 ***

it should be plug n play but, you sure its not the PM981? afaik 980 pro would be SM981 for OEM version. PM981 be the OEM version of 980 evo.

 

Use tarkan, they are the best!

 

compare to P775TM1 how easy is it to upgrade the ssd and m.2 ?

 

not sure, shouldnt be too hard i think both SSDs are accessible with just bottom panel opened.

 

M.2 are located just similiarly under the KB!!

 

Yes mine came from PCS

 

Sorry double post

 

@Mr. Fox turns out the issue was using a NON FCU iso install and using FCU+ drivers, Herpderp, So for my first 120hz display and for an expensive rig, My only issue is i don't really know how to install the 2.5inch drives because no matter what i do it looks like they come in contact with the gpu's and that scares the **** out of me, Also the keyboard is a tad noisy but by god is this thing buttery smooth to, 120hz... where have you been all my life.

 

Awesome. Glad you got the issue sorted. The drives should not actually touch the GPUs. There is a black plastic shield under the GPUs (or should be) and a bracket to support the GPUs that runs between the GPUs and drives. When you are sliding them in the fit is kind of tight, but once they are plugged into the SATA ports there should be an air space.

 

Hello People. This is my first Clevo (and my first post) so I thought I would give an update. So far everything seems fine, I have had it for about 4 weeks now, there was not much option of where to purchase here in Australia so I bought it direct from the Metabox who seem to be the official Re-brander of Clevo in Australia. So far I have had the bottom case off about 5 times adding and swapping SATA storage drives before I settled on 2 x 2TB Segate Baracudas. I was hoping for a 3TB 9.5mm drive but it is not to be. The bottom case is a bit awkward to remove the first time you do it ( I had to watch a video of someone pulling apart a P870KM before I had the courage to pull as hard as I needed to) but it is easy enough on subsequent removals. The HDDs were a tiny bit awkward to get in as they are under the GPU. If you had an SLI this would be a touch harder. I found it best to stand the lappy on the back edge with a slight 5 degree upside down tilt and slowly lower the drives in via the little plastic tab on the HDD bracket so that I could get gravity to line up the drives to the sockets.
I am unable to make use of my 3000Mhz RAM yet as the crappy Clevo BIOS does not support RAM overclocking. The supplier tells me that there will be an updated BIOS at some stage that they will send me/install for me so I asked if it was the PREMA bios and he didn't know what I was talking about so I take that as a no. From what I have read the Prema bios seems to be a must have but from what I understand from reading forums only 1 or 2 US supplies have exclusive access to Premas work and they are not willing to share. Can someone confirm that for me? If this is wrong can someone tell me how I can go about Buying/Downloading or generally getting hold of Premas Bios. I want to increase the default fan speeds, Lower the battery max charge, OC the Ram, OC the CPU, Undervolt a little and poke around to see what other options I have. Before anyone asks, yes, Metabox do put proper Heat conductive paste between the IHS and the CPU or so they tell me so hopefully with some increased fan speeds and undervolting I can overclock a bit and still have acceptable temps.
The only other thing I want for this lappy besides the Bios is a Slidenjoy twin 17" setup but I am still not convinced they will ever start manufacturing they have a lot of angry pre order customers demanding refunds and calling them a scam. I have contacted them several times over the past 2 months to ask about manufacturing dates and refund policies if I were to Pre Order and they take another 2 years before they actually deliver. Every answer I got from them avoided the questions and did not provide an answer to my direct questions and they just seem very very untrustworthy. Hopefully they sort their problems out because it would be a wonderfull addition to the Lappy.

 

Metabox is a Prema Partner Shop and if you bought your system from them you can request a remote flash with the Mod once their internal evaluation is complete.

 

6 core Sager NP9877 (Clevo P870TM) Review - How Hot does it get ?

 

I get the feeling that these places were not intended for mechanical drives as boy do they get warm, Way warmer than i'd like, I'd best be paying off the CC and switching to SSD's for there quick smart. ALSO, Does anyone know of a relatively cheap aka not obscenely priced 2.5inch 1-4TB SSD, Because over in australia samsung 850 evo 2TB's are 1k, And i don't need ultra high performance ssd's i just need large capacity ssd's


.Also i havn't figured out how to access the keyboards rgb software or where to get it.

 

The keyboard lighting software is integrated with Clevo Control Center. You can download that from Clevo, Sager or Eurocom web sites.

I have never seen a good value on high capacity SSD. They are all grossly overpriced. I would get a couple of M.2 NVMe 512GB for the OS and a couple of cheap 2TB 5400 RPM 2.5 inch HDD for storage and games. You can find the 2TB HDD for around $75 USD each. Or, get a couple of Seagate 2TB USB portable HDD and take them out of the enclosure to install permanently. Identical Seagate/Samsung HDD part number and usually about $15-20 less than buying it as a bare laptop internal HDD.

 

I found these https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Crucial...304413&hash=item3d50069693:g:9yUAAOSwc~laE3Cd they seem to be ok value, And crucial is a known brand, The reason is, I'm tired of mechanical drives, The rust spinners belong in my high capacity nas, Not in my high power laptop!, That and they sit at 55+C since they are literally right next door to the gpu's


You wouldn't know why there is what looks like a slot to install a second cpu fan AND a header for it would you Mr. Fox?

 

850 EVOs seem to be scaled well for price. 250GB $100, 500GB ~$160, 1TB ~$330, 2TB ~$660, 4TB ~$1350. The 250GB/500GB have been dropping pretty heavily in price though, not sure the 1TB/2TB have caught up yet. MX300s are even cheaper, with 1TB being $260 and 2TB being $500 flat: https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX50...TF8&qid=1516021277&sr=1-2&keywords=MX300&th=1 these are perfect for games and other storage types. I would't use these for an OS or anything very sensitive (850 Pros all the way there) but definitely great for secondary drives.

I'd never toss a 5400RPM for games. So many of them load very slowly without a SSD, especially battlefield maps in the multiplayer. Sometimes waiting nearly 2 minutes for a map to load when it does it in 10 seconds on a SSD is just... nicer.

 

Ahem!!Dont you think 512gb m.2 i just wayyyy too much for just booting?
I mean, win 10, along with steam, origin, quick heal total security, and all the core and vet recommended apps hardly take 128gb?

 

@hmscott
Check your pm. I owe you an apology brother.

 

I won't buy a drive smaller than 512GB. Add Office, Adobe CS and other things, then a nice over-provision space and 256GB quickly becomes marginal. I dual boot W7 and W10 on discrete SSDs because I don't want both OSes on the same one, so I need two. I have two 512GB 960 Pro for the OSes and two 1TB SSD in my desktop for Steam, Origin, Uplay and GOG and that is too little space to hold all of my games. I would need between 3 and 4 TB for that. I use a 2TB Barracuda 7200 RPM for data storage.

I have two 512GB Sandisk X400 M.2 for the OSes and two 1TB HDD for games and data in my laptop and the storage capacity is woefully inadequate.

 

The higher end SSDs don't really need to be over provisioned.

 

Any SSD I ever recommend for an OS will not need overprovisioning

Decent Planar MLC drives or 3D V-NAND MLC (or even TLC) mostly won't need it, and will be unlikely to conk out anytime soon. Samsung has the best controllers by far though, and their 3D drives will never slow down even if you pretty much fill them to the brim. MX300s will start dropping off with under 20% space left, but will still be fairly fast. I need to find out who the other 3D NAND drives are, because competition is good. Nobody's beating Samsung controllers, but Crucial's? You can bet your bottom dollar they can be schooled.

 

where you get that idea

 

They're basically done automatically

Here: https://www.anandtech.com/show/8216/samsung-ssd-850-pro-128gb-256gb-1tb-review-enter-the-3d-era

Samsung 850 Pros are 7.6% overprovisioned by default. There is more memory on the SSD you can allocate.

 

If my understanding is correct, those with goofy capacity sizes are generally factory over-provisioned and those with "normal" capacities may not be. What I am referring to is 240GB and 480GB versus the "normal" 256GB and 512GB capacity denominations.

 

yea, they had those for awhile but now standards is all over the place, all based on the maker. OP is still needed heavily for nand flash based SSD for consistency and endurance. optane memory doesn't tho, can't wait for those

i guess that came out wrong and make sense i was misunderstood lol. i meant to say meaker said the idea for higher end SSDs need less OP not more. imo its dependent on the usage and how much user wish to store files on it, of course ultimately it comes down to manufacturer how much they wish to add extra flash for OP.

 

No, just the type of memory chips used. EG both 850 EVO and Pro use overprovisioning but the former is more rounded numbers (120/250/500/1000/2000/4000) but the latter is 2^n (128/256/512/1024/2048). I believe the 960 EVO and 960 Pro follow the similar size design. Crucial MX300 has an even weirder design, where it uses 2 parts 3D MLC and 3 parts 3D TLC for its capacity as far as I remember it, and ends up with truly weird numbers (275/525/1.1TB, etc) but it still is as far ad I know overprovisioned. The problem about slowdown when a SSD gets full is mainly controller-based. I REALLY wish Samsung would make something like an 860 Pro/EVO with their new generation polaris controllers for SATA and M.2 SATA. 850 Pro is still the best non-3D XPoint SSD for constant/extended workloads in terms of holding performance, for example. NVMe drives still aren't rock solid with it. You could probably ask @tilleroftheearth about it, he ALWAYS hunts down the best constant-use performance.

The only way to know if an SSD has been overprovisioned is to look up its spec sheet, or find a review like the anandtech one that lists it for you. But any Samsung 3D NAND drive is overprovisioned already from what I know, and most all decent SSDs worth their salt are too. If you want to partition off X% of the drive so it's never filled to the point of slowing down like non-samsung drives will due to controller overhead, then that's a pretty fair idea. Though I really would just get a Samsung drive instead, save the hassle, have more storage available.

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kinda unrelated but here. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-760p-660p-700p-specifications,36335.html#xtor=RSS-100

QLC storage devices, 8TB thanks

 

Wasn't Crucial drives king of the OP? MX300 series?

Yeah, what @D2 Ultima said.

 

If you intend to smack them with enterprise level workloads you can over provision, otherwise for QD1 performance I would not worry.

 

Samsunbg also runs hoooot *

 

Not when it runs at the same speed as competitors...

 

they overclock controller and flash, well since they are the OEM can get to decide what speed those run on, not really overclock but we know they clock it pretty high, to get good numbers.

 

Not vs. Toshiba trash Dell prefer put in their notebooks.

 

Nope, I've had four totally separate drives and Fox has had at least two himself as well as some others I've looked at plus my sister. Couldn't find them overheating or particularly hot at all. I remember your drive, and I am certain NVMe in the unit you had was the issue

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Hey guys for this laptop do you suggest a laptop cooler that pushes the air in the laptop or pulls it out?

 

I just recievied the notification for Prema Bios, any cool person would like to hook me up now so that I could get to bench it tonight?

@Phoenix @Prema @Johnksss

I greatly appreciate the hook up =D

 

just need to remove a few bottom pieces to open up more air vents in take. dont need cooling pad imo if you undervolt your cpu and also delided, should run 4.5ghz 6 cores all day no problem.

 

received a notification from who? I have no authority of distributing any Prema BIOS

 

From HID. Sorry about that, I thought you guys help flash it as well.

I will contact HID and see if I can move up the date!

 

oh, you don't have a signature and the HIDevolution Gaming Badge so

Anyway, you need to contact HIDevolution's tech support and they will get you sorted.

 

Are the Prema bios's available? And whats the deal with the slot for a second cpu fan + the second cpu fan header

 

WOOHOO! Me too! Scheduled for friday morning.

 

If you bought your laptop from an OEM that works with Prema you should be all good! Just get ahold of them and see if they have it available yet. If not you are most likely out of luck.

 

It' a shame he doesn't sell it as well. Oh well I'll just have to live with out it.

 

got mine from Metabox, Pretty sure they are a Prema partner, Still doesn't explain the second cpu fan header tho

 

You mean this one??

 

My NP9877 arrives today

Does anyone have a good solution for transporting this thing? Are there any backpacks out there that can handle the laptop along side the two power bricks?

 

Everki titan 18.4 pull along trolley is what I have and it's great.

 

I use the Everki Titan NON-trolley version. It holds all my tech tools along with an additional USB C 15 inch monitor which is about the size of a 15 inch slim laptop. It could still hold more if I had more to put in it. The only thing that sucks about it is the fact that you have to put some padding in the bottom of the bag because you would most likely break your screen of you put it down too hard or if the bag fell off of something.