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Thats extacly what i want to say, too less extra juice for too much heat and money!!

 

I'm just using a cheap one off amazon.
I am well aware of what heatsink cooling is. I'm just using the heatsinks that shipped inside the laptop.

I'm most likely going to open it up again and re-apply thermal paste or pads to the gpu's as thats what the other think could be my issue.

 

Or maybe you should take a look at this
https://www.google.co.in/amp/www.instructables.com/id/Watercooling-a-laptop-on-the-cheap/?amp_page=false

 

THIS!!

Don't expect magic with 8th gen BGA!! FYI. This below is from oc'd 8700K in Clevo 870TM1


Please compare the results with any 7920Hq BGA JUNK!!

 

I think I have one of the very few BGA junkbooks that @Papusan would be happy about.

 

Nope!!

 

Hi all!
Back in 2013 I have owned a Lenovo y510p laptop with GT755M SLI VGA and my experience was not the best.
It was my first sli System and the many problems were a surprise for me.
2nd GPU was overheating and throttling but that was because the poor thermal design.

A more concerning issue for me were these:
- many games (even older ones with well optimized drivers ) had graphical glitches (mostly flickering textures). In some Games it was hard to detect but in Games like Crysis 3 and Witcher 2 it was not hard to notice
- many games had microstuttering

My question, are these issues still a concern with a modern GTX1080 sli laptop? I know that many times an sli profile Will not be available for the release date and I do not mind, but are flickering textures and microstuttering still an issue with sli laptops?
Also, how does G-Sync like an sli gtx 1080 setup?

 

Yes, back in those days the sli in laptop was not a good idea, but now nvidia has improved so much that sli 1070 can beat down any game at 4k ultra 60fps+!!!
Micro stuttering in games now are either due to game's developement faults and bugs, but not from gpu!!
From my side you should go with a high refresh rate g sync panel and you are good to go!!
But if you are willing to play games through external monitor, then let hdmi2.1 get released, they claim it can get you smooth 60+fps at 4k!!
You can go for sli without any problems!¡!!!

 

That's as wrong as 2 boys ****ing in a church. 2 1070's SLI can not run any game at 60fps on 4k. Hell, 2 1080's SLI cannot run any game at 60fps on 4k.

How do I know you ask? Because I own both systems.

It'll destroy on 1080p though lol

Not too shabby on 1440p either. That's my preference.

 

Just a little more juice?
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-7920HQ/3937vsm243546

 

Just for gaming its probably not worth the upgrade to the 8th gen (regardless if LGA or BGA). Few gaming titles have a considerable FPS increase with a high OC and even a 7700HQ is not a bottleneck in most games, but its good to have at least a BGA 7820HK (in a laptop with proper cooling) in case you need more CPU power or if you don't like to be completely locked down with a HQ CPU.

Things change if you intend to use the laptop for both gaming and for productivity oriented apps, where a higher clock speed (at same IPC) could make a considerable difference.

Most probably (I'm speculating), the speed difference (and the OC potential in laptops) between the coffee lake LGA and BGA CPUs is going to be higher than kabylake LGA vs BGA if we take into account the same 45w TDP (for BGA) but with 50% more cores and the increase in power draw when you OC and get past the optimal clock/voltage ratio (especially for BGA CPUs).

I suppose that we'll see a similar (but probably not that bad) situation like the one with kaby lake r "U" (see notebookcheck reviews for these), where the CPUs cannot hold boost clocks in CPU demanding tests (eg. in CB15 the i7 8550U has an average clocks speed of ~2.4Ghz which is much lower than the max 3.7Ghz all core boost).

Papusan, I think that Falkentyne was referring to the performance and not the overall package

Speaking of LGA vs BGA comparisons, have you guys seen this smack-down from ownordisown:



He is also planning on reviewing the P870TM.

 

Man, thats a 8700k running in a pc, here we are talkimg about 8700k in a freaking laptop!!

 

I'll do you one better...

Spoiler: this is silent

 

Let make it clear... This oc'd 8700K in a so called *freaking laptop* ain't not even finish tuned. Do your math and find out the difference in %. Or forget it... The difference will be bigger after more testing.

http://hwbot.org/submission/3729858_terry702_cinebench___r11.5_core_i7_7920hq_9.82_points


VS: 8700K in a freaking laptop!!

 

What's wrong with two boys doing asterisks in a church?

 

So maybe not two 1070’s in SLI, but having two 1080’s in SLI I can say that these statements are inaccurate.
Fallout 4, Diablo 3, FFXIV Stormblood (Free benchmark available to test if you don’t own the game) easily stay a over 60fps average at 4K just to name a few. Let’s be careful when we say “no games” and be more specific.

While the games I quoted above are at max settings nothing was mentioned about dropping down to “high” from maximum which may be an option in this case (although some would rather not). I believe 1440p is the best resolution for 1080 SLI (and my desktop 1080TI SLI on water as well) 4K is doable.


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4K60 is possible on 2x 1080 if the game isn't badly optimized

 

You wot? You actually wot?

No game runs 60fps at 4K on two 1080s? You WOT?

 

Besides overclocking headroom due to better cooling, What makes you think a 8700k in a "freaking laptop" is any less powerful than in a desktop?

 

Yeah, maybe running graphics on medium lol
But not high, I assure you that. I topped around 45-50fps on average on most games. Max settings. Grant you, each game is different.
I won't game on 4k with 1080 Sli anymore, this laptop at 3k is a way better game play experience.

 

Yeah I don't speak internet lingo much. No idea what you mean by wot.

But yes, at max settings on 4k, no game I've played at stayed consistently at 60fps. 45-50fps tops, with occasional spike to 55.

 

Max settings, at 4k, on AAA titles like BF4 for example, yeah you're not getting 60fps. That's just all there is to it. Maybe on medium, or possibly high. I myself prefer to play games on max settings.
I don't say **** just to spew it out of my ass. All the things I say are from personal experience.

I don't remember what my fps was on wow though. Makes me curious. I'll check it once I'm back at my house. I'm out of state on holiday leave currently.

 

Hey, it asteriked my words out, not me. Lol

Maybe it's a setting I can change, I don't know nor care too much about it. I've never been a big forum person. However I'm enjoying this forum quite a bit. I guess since there are other P870TM1 owners here like me, that's really nice. Plus there are alot of people in here that are very knowledgeable about this system. But anyway, I won't stray any further from the original topic.

To answer your question, alot, haha. Morally FUBAR if you ask me

 

Lord knows I'd smash

 

WUT

Last time I tried BF4 at 200% resolution and max settings I was getting around 90-100fps, how are you getting under 60?

I think you have some clevo firmware cockroaches running around your computer

 

Hmmm....

I had 7700HQ + Titan X (Pascal) [AW13 R2 + GPU AMP] and i7 7700K @ 4.5Ghz + 1080 SLI (P870DM3)

and I was able to game on my 4K tv @ 60fps no problem for all my games.

Then again, I only played OW, PUBG, BO3, WWII, BF1, GTA: V, Bioshock Infinite, DBZ Xenoverse, Naurto Storm 4, Dead or Alive 5, Mirror's Edge 2.

But those games were all fine...I don't know what games everyone else is playing but I should have tried them out when I had those configs lol

 

My laptop came in over the weekend. Loving it so far. Been super busy DJing so I haven't had a chance to do any benchmarks but I'm running Destiny 2 at +120fps at 2560x1440 with no problems. I do have a 4k monitor so I'll let u know.

Which benchmark apps should I use?

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check hwbot

 

D2 Doesn't have a benchmarking App so, I went to the EDZ and did a Public Event. At 4k and all settings maxed, I fluctuated between 75 - 100 FPS.Amazing! Dreadnought Benchmark @ 4K = 77.60fps

 

Well, no. I'm not talking about a lower res, nor a clevo laptop. Just 2 1080 SLI, in general.
I am referring to the original topic of 2 1080's running games on 4k at max settings at 60fps.

I could very well be wrong, it's possible, however I HIGHLY doubt you are playing BF4 at max setting at 60fps on 4k res. Maybe at 3k res, but that's not the topic at hand.
My personal experience has backed this. I might be a noob when it comes to tinkering with this new laptop, but I'm well versed in desktops, specifically components.

I only challenged the guy that said 2 1080 SLI can achieve 60fps on max settings at 4k because you can't on top AAA games. Sure, maybe on Hearthstone or WoW, but those aren't AAA hardware pushin', specs demandin' games. And I like to make sure users/prospective buyers are well informed.

No cockroaches, just heat issues is all.
I think new paste and/or pads are likely due, or others here seem to think it's likely needed and i'm inclined to agree.
Plan on running some more temperature monitoring before making a final decision.

 

Awesome, enjoy! I've had mine for about 3 weeks now and it's been great man, other than running hotter than satan's taint.

Do let me know what kind of temps you see. You went with the same exact setup as I did, so I'm quite curious to see what kind of temps you get.

 

Which benchmark app do u use to get the temps? I'll install and run now


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Dare I even ask? LOL!

Anime never was my thing.

 

I personally use 3DMark, as it does decent gpu/cpu tests. I monitor with the sensors on HWinfo64, as @Mobius 1 stated. If nothing else it'll give you a rough idea. Others here may advise you to use something else, such as Cinemark. There are tons out there, so plenty to choose from.

 

Most games can be run at fluid 4K/60Hz off a single 1080 - Like Alice:Madness returns.

 

*sigh* fine when I get home I will use *shudder* DSR on BF4 and play a game at 4K max settings and record it and see if I don't hold 60.

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So I don’t have a sub for wow but I would classify it AAA when it comes to an MMO. If you are talking about spec pushing games then they may or may not be AAA. BF4 I could believe as I was running it with a 7680x1600 Nvidia surround display with three 980TIs with little problem.

On point, I believe you will be able to game mostly well at 4k with this or equivalent laptop. I don’t include AA in judging if it can as the value of that is a matter of opinion. On my 32” 4k display I see a little benefit from 2xAA, I can’t imagine on a 17.3” display with that PPI that I would bother with AA, but again, that’s my opinion.


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Wish I could get my package wattage to go higher than 125W. No matter what I do it VR throttles.

 

@wtjwillis


I don't know, where in the hell, you found BF4 under 60fps at 4K with maximum settings on two 1080s, but... that's clearly false.

 

If we run it in laptop at desktop config, the the temp will hit 99c in no time, hence we have to undervolt it and also underclock it

He is using an external monitor to play for sure, that is why fps drops are happening, hdmi 1.4 or 2.0 arent capable to 60fps at 4k, but hdmi 2.1 is, but our p870tm1g isnt equipped with hdmi 2.1 still!!

 

HDMI 2.0 is capable of 60fps for 4k.

Undervolting is for lower temps. But you don't have to underclock it. The cooling systems are definitely enough on this laptop to run the CPU as is.

 

HDMI 2.0 is capable of 4K60

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2.1 adds things like 8k and adaptive frame pacing

 

Am I the only one who doesn't care about HDMI and who only wants DP? Why do I trust DP more? I have no idea.

 

I'm ready when you are sir...

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because hdmi is designed mainly as a DRM



I never buy media anyways so it shouldn't really matter to me if the Clevo loses an HDMI slot

 

What happens with max field of view and Motion blur?

 

Mmm I never tried. Max field of view is very far. I can do a test right now if you don't mind me just using 200% resolution scale instead of actually DSR-ing to 4K, because it screws with the placement of everything on my desktop every time I use DSR. I don't know why.

 

Just use the ingame settings only. Everything else should be left to "let application decide" And you can leave scaling alone for now.