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No no, what I mean is, I can put the game at 1920 x 1080 and in-game resolution scale at 200% (supersample to 3940 x 2160), or I can do what I did for that video (set DSR to 4x and actually change the in-game resolution to 3840 x 2160, which makes screenshots take at that resolution and my desktop switch to outputting that resolution when active, etc). They should both have a similar effect, but if you want apples to apples, I should use DSR.

 

Oh, You don't actually have a 4k monitor?

 

No, that would be the most perfect test. But a 4K monitor would've been at 60Hz, if you notice my settings I was still at 120Hz. I think there's only one 4K 144Hz panel available and I don't know if we have the displayport spec to even run those.

 

Ah. so I see.

 

Would you still like me to check?

 

Sure.

I don't have BF4 loaded at the moment, but will give it a go later at 4k

 

Okay, I'll check it in a little bit with the same tactic

 

All right, took longer than I intended because I had a client to help, but here it is. To me, FOV and Motion Blur made no discernible difference. But as I played more tonight I realized why I used to lower most of the graphics... I can't see anything when there's shadow and explosions etc xD



Also, interestingly enough, it seems resolution scale improvements instead of downsampling are slightly higher on the FPS. I'm not certain why, though it definitely looked about the same to me. I might even consider if I start playing it again keeping resolution scale at 200% and simply reducing the settings I did before; it looks like I could hold 125fps flat with that and not deal with much GPU-limit input lag. Max temps after almost an hour (not all shown in recording) were averaging 77-80 on the CPU and 79/76 on the GPUs, with Throttlestop reporting a maximum temperature of 86c on one core. I'm really interested to see how a notebook like the TM1 would handle it with its heatsink layout. I'd think the GPUs would get hotter but the CPU might remain cooler due to no added heat, but I wouldn't really know for sure.

At least though I learned my answer to why I was getting terrible FPS when I tried to make a recording of Overwatch for @wtjwillis, it seems using multi-adapter recording with OBS at 4K completely breaks the recording function. I am unsure if it's a PCI/e bandwidth limitation in grabbing from both cards at once, because it doesn't happen at 1080p with the resolution scale turned up, so that explains why setting OW to native 4K would've been a problem before; I was getting high 60s low 70s and my GPUs were "at 100%" each, but not even touching 60c. It was baffling and now I'm glad I know. If possible on one of your HEDT systems on a 3.0 x16/x16 configuration, could I give you settings to input into OBS and you tell me if using multi-adapter hurts your performance vastly? Whenever you've got time is fine, I'm just now very curious.

 

forgot to ask, when you doing 4.9 on stock bios without throttling, what was your voltage/temps under what benchmark?

 

Probably never or no time soon. It seems Clevo was a bit more lenient this go round.

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Wow, that is interesting.

As to HEDT @ 3.0 x16/x16.... I do not have SLI at the moment on any of those systems.

 

Ah okay, well whenever you get the chance if ever maybe just let me know? Or I think is it @Trafficante is getting a HEDT SLI 1080Ti system soon that @Mr. Fox was working on, maybe he might be up for it.

Now I'm in a testing mood haha

Edit: confirmed suspicions as far as I can.

4K/120Hz = ~110-130fps
4K/120Hz while grabbing with single adapter capability = ~100-120fps (basically about a 10fps drop)
4K/120Hz while grabbing with multi-adapter capability = ~65-78fps (almost 50% drop)
1080p/120Hz 200% res scale = ~110-130fps
1080p/120Hz 200% res scale while grabbing with single adapter capability = ~100-120fps (about the same as above)
1080p/120Hz 200% res scale while grabbing with multi-adapter capability = ~90-110fps (a further, but slight drop, nowhere NEAR the massive hit of 4K)

This is without recording mind you; recording in itself is a further 7-10fps drop at any resolution/capture method. Simply telling OBS to capture the game with game capture drops FPS due to the constant visual grabbing nature. Programs like DXTory and MSI Afterburner recording, while generally not as efficient as single-GPU OBS capture, do not actually take any video feed on their own until you hit record, whereas OBS is always taking it, similarly to a video capture device like a webcam simply being accessed.

This was all tested with GPU encoding, so the CPU performance hit is negligible, and the issue is mainly the capture methods and how it responds to them.

In this case, either OBS has direct problems with 4K capture for SLI, or there is a memory bandwidth limitation somewhere. I'm very very interested too to see how XDMA crossfire handles this, if PCI/e 3.0 x16/x16 alleviates the problem somewhat on SLI for native 4K pixel output capture.

If that's the case, then me complaining about bandwidth issues on SLI is even further beyond what I initially thought, and NVLink for consumers and/or PCI/e 5.0 needs to be a thing pretty soon if users want to sit on mainstream. Since PCI/e 5.0 x4 would be PCI/e 3.0 x16 in terms of bandwidth, even a paltry x8/x8 solution on mainstream systems will be sufficient. It also seems from some testing that Titan V gets bottlenecked on a single-GPU PCI/e 3.0 x8 connection versus x16, which is the first time I've EVER seen a GPU be bottlenecked on anything less than PCI/e 3.0 x4 (I've had @tgipier test this multiple times for me on his Titan X P by emulating a 3.0 x4 connection via setting his slots to PCI/e 1.1 x16)

 

Nah, I don't think it's false. Let me explain a little...

Just curious, that's not just 4k res in the game, but you're playing on a 4k res monitor/screen? Cause that video shows the game maxed, at 4k rez in game, but I don't believe you're playing on a 4k screen simply because I am not even sure 120mhz 4k screens are available for sale without costing a TON, unless you paid a ton for one..Last I checked anyway.

I actually play @ 4k res, on 4k monitors, on a desktop, not a laptop; @60hz unfortunately.

 

BOOM!!!! My point exactly.

You were NOT gaming at true 4k. Your video proves nothing other than running a game @ 4k settings, not in 4k res on the screen.

I on the other hand, DO game at true 4k on my desktop.

My original point stands valid.

 

Oh, you're insane, okay.

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Hey let's edit, why don't you send me a 4K monitor so I can prove it wrong since apparently rendering and pushing 4K pixels is three times easier if it isn't on an actual 4K screen?

 

Eh, 4k @ 60hz screen isn't the most ideal, but it works, it is what it is.
So I normally get 40-50ish fps on that game. That is what I was trying to tell you all, but you must've thought I'm a liar or whatever else. I even oc those 2 1080's on my desktop too, everything is of course stable. But all that is my desktop, and I don't want to venture too far down that rabbit hole since this is a thread on these beast P870TM1's. However, I will try to maybe get some screen shots once I get back to Alaska, i'm home visiting for the holidays currently.

Insane? By definition, nah.
But my wife may think I am. lol

 

You clearly don't have anything set up right then

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I just played about 30 minutes of GTAV and it ranged from 50 to 180 FPS on a 4k Monitor.

 

Clearly huh?
My patience with you is wearing thin, bud.

Sure, maybe I have a setting wrong, it's possible. But

180fps on a 60hz monitor? Interesting.

 

I don't think it is. Message got cut off for some reason.


Oh boy, if you only knew. I'm gonna stop myself before I go down a road I shouldn't.

 

Hello, i have a question, back some time ago i bought a p870km1g with dual 1070s from hidevolution, and now i have an offer for a new replacement mother board of p870tmg, for 500$, just want to know can i install it in my p870km1? Both are g sync and gpu are installed in prema unlocked vbios. Are bothe mobos stucture and ports placement same?( my heatsink is dual card vapour chamber from hidEVO)?
SHOULD I BUY IT?
@Donald@HIDevolution @Prema @Mr. Fox @Papusan
@Meaker@Sager
Note: motherboard is from an original clevo p870tmg, the guy i am buying from bought it and is regretting its price in india, hence he is selling out it part by part!

 

Yup, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, or doing if you can't achieve 60fps in any game at 4K with two 1080s. Especially since you seem to disbelieve that over 60fps is possible on a 60Hz monitor. The funnier thing is that you're acting like everyone else is wrong too.

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It is definitely not a direct part swap coming from the DM3, but I am not sure on the KM1 to TM1. @Prema and @tanzmeister and probably @Meaker@Sager can clarify if there is anything different going from KM1 to TM1 motherboard. Going from DM3 to KM1 motherboard at the very least the top cover (palm rest) is made differently and would have to be modded (cutting the metal plate for the third M.2 port) and the power button cable is made differently.

 

We have arrived at 2050!
180hz 4k monitors have arrived!
Just kidding!

Well iidk but as far as i know there are only 144hz monitors available at 1080p or maybe 3k, but 4k currently only has 60hz displays.
(Feel free to correct me )

 

I don't think everyone else is wrong. I just said your video is wrong champ.
Your misconception is not my problem, since clearly you were not gaming on a 4k screen like I originally mentioned. You tried to prove me wrong with a video, as well as being a smartass in the video, when I'm getting the last laugh because you were proving a point on parameters that don't match what I originally said.

I just stated my personal experiences is all. I'm always open for new ideas or advice.

 

Yea i can cut parts!
But what i fear is the power button!
I dont care for 3rd m.2 tho.
I really dont need it!
So should i get it?

 

I'm sure those exist, but the price would probably be awful.

I own two 4k Acer Predators running 60hz for my desktop setup. I'm happy with those. I don't think I could ever afford the hardware it would take to run 4k screen at like 144hz or higher, as it would probably be substantial in costs.

 

I wouldn't if I were you.

It seems Clevo is getting their jollies by screwing faithful followers on upgrades since the P870DM-G was first introduced. They have been changing just enough stuff on each model revision to make everything a massive pain in the ass, and I have no doubt it is intentional.

 

*insert image of me rolling on the floor laughing*

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Man! I thoughr while buying clevo that i would be able to upgrade both gpu or MoBo, dang these guys!

 

Well ichecked and yep, the 144hz 4k screen dosent exist.
Lmaoo!!

 

Better with gif?

 

Yeah, I guess it'll be a while before we see those come out then.

Hell, 4k @60hz is still pricey right now too.

 

How do you find those gifs and images, could be really helpfull to me!

 

What's interesting? You guys are mixing up fps with Hz. That would be two different things.

 

I have a 4k screen, and can't get it to drop below 60fps on the highest settings in Destiny 2.

I mainly game on the new Alienware however, @3k and 120fps locked...

Dreadnought has a Benchmark tool...At 4k my Fps is 67.56

My gpu/cpu temps are maxing at 75c after appx 24 mins of playing...Monitor is a AOC U2879VF. Laptop is in my sig...That said, 4k gaming with 2 1080's is easily doable.



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2late 2 edit pics from phone. Happened to stumble across this thread...

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It's almost out.

Yes!

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We are looking at the next generation panels for that.

 

Hi Guys! is there available skin for P870TM? where can I find them and are they good for scratch protection? or they will mess up the laptop surface when you remove them? Thanks!!

 

It's the same as the DM and KM series in shape so anything for those models would apply.

 

that's really way overpriced board! normal price for it should be around 350-400 USD

 

I will check the upgrade info first hand in the first days of January. so far it looks like most parts are the same, except CPU heatsink+fan and an extra opening in the middle frame. I am also not sure about the license for the older screens for Gsync, it looks from the service manual that they are supported though!

the pipes coming from vacuum chamber to CPU may need to be cut to fit, but perhaps slight bending would do the trick.


either way, the upgrade from p870km1 to p870tm should be much easier than going from DM to DM3 or KM1

 

check above

 

The boards are different, it's not a straight swap you would need some casing pieces too.

 

As far as I know, the boards won't fit in each other. If I remember right @dspboys showed us that the screw placement for one of the screws is different? Unless that screwhole is ON the motherboard, it needs a hole to go through, and the TM1 board won't fit.

Of course anyone can correct me if I'm wrong.

 

So, I'm looking at the P870TM.. Max spec, 8700K, SLI 1080's, and 64GB RAM, but what I'm not sure of is if I got for the 4K panel or the 3K 120Hz. Price isn't anything important, so don't let that be a factor. Which do you guys recommend?

 

I recommend the 3K screen but pay extra for the x,4 version which has the horizontal banding fixed.

With the 3K Screen, you can get used to the resolution and even run it at the native resolution 100% DPI Scaling but with the 4K, you have to use DPI Scaling and we all know how bad Windows 10 DPI scaling is where it applies scaling to some programs but not all so you end up with misaligned buttons or blurry text. Add to the fact that the 3K screen has a 120hz refresh rate so you will enjoy it more when playing games or even watching movies as it's super smooth. I'd never wanna go back to 60 hz screens....EVER

 

Thank you for taking the time to share that with me, you've absolutely helped me make up my mind!

 

Yes, I know they are two different things. It's just not ideal gameplay I don't believe, since tearing and other crap tends to follow once the gpu's frame output surpasses the monitor's refresh rate, If I recall correctly.

I was just telling him my personal experiences.

 

I'll have to post some fps shots when I get back off Christmas leave then. Because I'm not experiencing the same results, on other games.