**Official Sager NP9270 / Clevo P270WM Owners Lounge**

Ahh what a shame =/ Well im working with very heavy software that is mostly based on the memory. 1333mhz feels a bit to slow, i know the differences aren't that great but having lowest clock memory worries me a bit to be honest.

Btw does your store offer a Swedish keyboard layout? =)

 

We hope so as we were able to do the X7200 in sweedish, but we havn't got the full language set yet for the P270 as the backlit keyboard is new.

 

Both North Bridge (integrated in the CPU) & South Bridge have PCIe rev 2.0 interface, not PCIe 3.0. If you want PCIe 3.0, you might want to wait for Ivy Bridge.

(source: Intel)

 

damnn it dawg.. seeing the 7970m are pci 3 i thought this whole thing would be pci 3 as well.. i guess time to wait for extreme cpu version of ivybridge lol.. time to go back to alienware m18x r2

 

If the R2 doesn't come with better HS's and a matte 120hz IPS RGBLED screen, it's not gonna be fun. I'd rather skip the upcoming refresh entirely.

At least, you could upgrade the screen in the p270.

 

Right now I do like you current configurations and options. Do you ship APO,AE? and also can you tell me a bit more about your company?

 

Seeing how the desktop 7970 gains no performance from 2.0 to 3.0, I don't see how it really matters. No single gpu card out can max out 2.0 bandwidth. I'm pretty sure the same goes for the laptop world as well.

 

Yes we do ship to APO's, and for more info check your PM =)

 

good job sir good for you
you just drag me back from m18x R2 back to n9270. now that i know graphics card wont max pci 2.0 x16 w/e its called i'll stick with it for the sake of 4 fans and that monster CPU.

however i think the cpu exist pci 2 no?

 

If you want more fans you can always solder mod USB ports and add internal fans, provided you find enough room in there, hehe.

 

The LGA2011 socket and the X79 chipset itself are PCI-E 3.0 'Ready,' in that they can take PCI-E Gen 3 stuff, but seeing how there aren't many Gen 3 things on the desktop (and none in mobile realm), it's impossible to truly say they're 100% PCI-E 3.0 compatible.

Currently, nothing maxes out PCI-E 2.0 in laptops, and seeing how we would need an entirely new MXM slot to even use PCI-Express 3.0, it's kind of moot at this point.

Why nothing maxes out PCI-E 2.0 in laptops: We get the desktop 'hand-me-downs' from high-end mid-range cards. For example: A GTX 580m is a downclocked desktop GTX 560Ti (pretty much). A GTX 560Ti (Desktop) does not even remotely approach the limits of PCI-E 2.0. It's going to take a few years before any high-end mid-range cards (desktop) max out PCI-E 2.0. So for our use in laptops, we're fine for a few years. I hope.

 

Yes, that is correct. So, I want to make a correction to my post earlier, Sandy Bridge-E processor (socket LGA-2011: i7-3960X, i7-39xxK and i7-38xx) is PCIe 8.0 GT/s (PCIe rev 3.0) capable. However, like ettornio pointed out, support for PCIe 3.0 graphic card depend on the MXM slot in this notebook. Whether it will support PCIe 3.0 or not is not clear. It may run in PCIe 2.0 specification only.

 

Once the 120 Hz screens appear, this will be mine............

 

As far as I know (which is likely limited) there is absolutely no reason a new MXM slot would be needed to support PCIe 3.0 so could someone please provide me some proof to support otherwise since at least the 2 of you believe that I am wrong (which I may be!)

 

I suspect since existing desktop boards PCIe 2.0 slots supposedly will support 3.0 later the same may be true of MxM slots. This may not be the case though. For now unless Clevo states it specifically this may be the case but as in the main boards out now a bios update would be required as a minimum.

 

I didn't say new MXM specification/slot is needed to support PCIe 3.0. It is not clear whether MXM 3.0 can support or not PCIe rev 3.0. Since MXM 3.0 specification is not publicly available, I can only refer to MXM 3.0 Technical Description which stated it support up to PCIe Gen2 (PCIe rev 2.0). Of course, this document is written in 2008 & only mention the technology available at that time. If MXM 3.0 design is compatible with PCIe 3.0, I don't see any reason why PCIe 3.0 graphic card won't run in PCIe 3.0 specification.

In desktop it much easier. Just need Sandy Bridge-E processor & you'll get PCIe 3.0 support.

 

theres no need of pcie 3.0 now 2~3 years...why? bcz even heavily overclocked desktop dual chip gtx590/hd6990 runs good on pcie 2.0, still far away from fullfilling its max bandwidth........

 

Some quick questions. After scouting the webs a bit on this thing (I'm going between this and the P180HM) I'm wondering what's the cause of the huge price differential? With dual 560s in this it's about 1k more than the P180. Is this just a product of the newer chipset? Also are LGA 2011 sockets capable of supporting LGA 1155 chips, haven't been able to google this up, and if so would any of the more custom makers (Mythlogic) be willing to build one of these with and I7-2600 or an I5-2600? CPU has never been a huge burden on my end, and I use an I5-2600k in my desktop with all kinds of background programs running, due to the 4 monitors, and almost never see CPU lag, so I doubt with only one screen I'd run into any issues.

 

The $$ difference is due to these components.

(p270wm vs. p180hm)
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CPU - Desktop vs. Mobile
RAM - 32GB vs. 24GB capable
LCD - 17" vs. 18"
Keyboard - backlit vs. gaming

I was trying to dig up if there was a difference in fans/heat sinks, but couldn't tell from the links if the p270wm cools better than the p180hm. Sorry, I couldn't find out. Other than that, I think the options are pretty much the same.

 

That's what I was figuring, although I don't imagine the smaller screen would cause the price to be higher. Now to my other question with regards to the Chip Socket because I feel that's probably where most of the price is coming from. Any answers would be greatly appreciated.

 

The mere fact that this is the only laptop in the world to support desktop Sandy Bridge-E and Ivy Bridge-E processors puts this machine out of comparison. The P180hm has a direct competitor (M18x) which comes packed with tons of features and extras (like backlit keyboard, CPU overclocking, WirelessHD, 6hrs of battery life, etc) for decent price. The P270WM has no contest in its segment, hence the higher price, IMHO.

 

Hey,

One of the major price differences is because the internals of a P270 are designed for MUCH higher temp loads and voltages than the P180. The P270 is designed for high-end overclocking of the desktop processor (And the LGA2011 socket can only support LGA2011 chips). With the additional being able to run 2 100W GPU's, while the P180 is only really designed for 2 x 75W GPU's. Also the P270 is designed for long life (The X7200 was around for years) and the P270 has a backlit keyboard. So all the combined accounts for the price differential.

May I suggest outfitting the P270 with the i7-3820 and the 560m in SLI that will put it much closer to the P180 price point if you wanted.

 

Yes I agree, right now I feel putting the 3820 inside the P270 is the best choice for price and power. Upgrades can always be done later without problems.

 

As far as upgrades that would be the Ivy Bridge later on. that is not a lock as of yet until anounced. Presently though this with a 3820 and 580m with 120Hz screen for me is the sweet spot, at least for now.So I get to play the waiting game for a bit.

While the cooling I am sure is adaquate for the 6 core CPU's the four core should be better handled and hopefully overclockable. I am hoping too by the time 120 Hz screens show up 680m and IB cpu's are available as well. Probably not but I can hope...................

 

The x7200 was released September 2010. So it was in production for 1 year and 5 months.

This model might have that production time. At any rate, it should be very upgradable for some time to come.

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Just wanted to stop by and show you some different pictures besides the Sager branded default ones




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Not favoriting mySN.de or anything, just saw they had some different pictures that's all

 

As far high-end overclocking goes, would be nice to see some benches
I really hope Clevo used some black magic this time around.

 

I hope mySN.de does a thorough video description and stuff of the P270WM. Even if it's all in German (which I don't understand), I'd still enjoy it!

Actually, any reseller should do it. C'mon! Please?

 

I don't think there's any reseller with the beast in stock at this time and even if there are some, they could be under NDA.

 

No reseller can produce a video until they are released.

 

Why is that? I think I know, but being the annoying male that I am I can't help it

A video is nothing more that several pictures placed together to form a motion, fluid composition, incl. the sound that is, but yeah that's basically it.

I wouldn't mind a video after the release, I've only see XoticPC do a video on the P150HM based on their own opinion. Never seen a reseller video since then, besides the mySN.de video on the P270WM illuminated keyboard.

 

We'll do a video as soon as we can but until they are released we dont physically have them. So no computer means no video

 

^^^^ Don't you worry... There will be short (quick look around video's) and longer ones.

Just check YouTube video's for September 2010 and see the ones for the x7200 when it was released. So it will be again...

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I've noticed that some resellers are offering screen options, while others are not...at least not yet.

I was wondering if anyone could give me some specs on the stock screen, i.e, manufacturer, model, nits, gamut, etc.

A buddy of mine has a Dell with the AUO B173HW01 V.5 72% matte...and it looks quite nice...and it's offered as an upgrade by some P270WM resellers...so just wondering how bad the stock screen really is.

Thanks.

 

If I go with this with only one GPU to start, how easy will it be to find another GPU/upgrade on my own later?

 

As long as they are still making the GPU itself, not too bad (But expensive). If they stop making the GPU (Aka the 680m comes out) then it will get harder quickly as most places don't stock older cards or at least not for very long. That actual installation isn't too hard.

 

The problem lies within having to get one of the older cards as stated by mythlogic. If I were you I would start with one GPU and plausibly upgrade it later on if needed.
By then you can always exchange the older ones with the newest GPU as preference plays in

 

Just found this video of a Core i7 3930K vs a Core i7 3960X:

Intel i7 3930K Performance Review & Benchmarking 2011 2012 - YouTube

I know he's using desktop kit, but both CPUs are left at stock for testing. I'm actually amazed at how closely they score. It's a good video for anyone considering the 3960X for their P270WM.

Edit: Here's the link for the written review: http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/intel_core_i7-3930k_review/1

 

Back after lurking for a year! Just read through this thread, convincing myself to get it this Winter. By that time all the good stuff, ivy, 680M, 2133Mhz RAM, etc, would be out too. I remember someone said P270WM is surprisingly quiet(was that babyhemi?). I certainly hope it is. Although I can deal with x7200's noise, I surely don't mind if it's lower.

 

Actually for general usage the 3820 would be the best stock. Even though it is only 4 rather than 6 cores the stock speed is 3.6 GHz over the 3960x at 3.31 and 3930K at 3.21 GHz. The only advantage is when you use heavily multithreaded apps.

Now overclocking may prove that one of the three is eventually is better than the other but this again may be specific to this box. We are a bit away from finding out what the OC options, if any, will be available and how well will the box handlle it............

I will be ordering well before then! My P79xx is showing its age. I mean it runs great but the "I wants me one of those" are getting worse each day......... )

 

It's not always about having the fastest card of the year, we still have the 6990M and GTX 580M which are still capable of maxing out almost every game when ran in SLI and Crossfire. What I like about Mythlogic unlike other sellers is they offer a verity of GPUs as well as CPUs, which gives you complete control of your build and possible future upgrades.

 

While not a gamer here I can easilly see SLI even with the 680m for some newer games like BF3 and especially to 3D them..................

 

its a long wait my man. at least a good half a year to a year

 

Not for me, the GPU is mostly useless other than Cuda apps. My 260m runs RealFlight 6.0 RC sim well over 60 FPS so I'm fine there. I want the 3820 as a place holder for a desktop ivy bridge later on.................

 

I'm right there with you. If I knew you could get it, and if it would shave $400-$500 off the price, I would outfit this with the NVidia GTX 4xx.

 

I guess everything isn't fully customizable.. “If you want it done right do it yourself” Better off buying it without the GPU, that is if it was possible.

 

ready to place an order.. still want some final opinion on the GPU.. i am not hardcore gamer.. just some BF, SC2, waiting for Diable III... So do you guys suggest to get a single GTX580 or CF6990? CF6990 is just like 100+ dollars more than single 580...

Thanks....

 

The CF6990 will max a lot of games, but not being a hardcore really questions this need, I personally don't mind games being reasonable worse looking, I'm more into the experience than the actual visuals, Minecraft suits me well

The 580 should run cooler than two 6990 in CF, but buying them would make you reasonable more future proof. nVIDIA has some goodies such as 3D vision, CUDA, PhysX. 6990 in CF would be noticeable stronger but it's up to you.

If you think that it's worth the 100$ upgrade then you can go with that

Here are some benchmarks for you 580 vs 6990 in CF.

6990 CrossFire: AMD Radeon HD 6990M Crossfire - Notebookcheck.net Tech

580M: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580M - Notebookcheck.net Tech

Good luck mate

I might go for 6990M in CF but that 580M appeals more to me because of CUDA (I do a lot of CAD work )

 

Hi Aikimox

I noticed on your sig you say you have an AntiGlare mod, can't seem to find any other information about it but I did find a post by you regarding the glare on the M17X

What did you do/ use? any tips for me?

My Post on it:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m17x/646630-m17x-r3-glare.html#post8322622


thanks...

 

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