**Official Sager NP9270 / Clevo P270WM Owners Lounge**

BTW, can someone give us specs on SATA port speeds. Earlier, I had guessed 2 SATA III and 2 SATA II. Any confirmation from a builder/reseller?

If not, once shipped, can an owner give us the lowdown?

 

Do you think the p270WM can cool off the 150watts TDP of the Xeon E5-2687W?

Seems like the Xeon E5-1660, Xeon E5-2680 or Xeon E5-2690 might be better suited.

 

It is 2x SATA III (ports 0 & 1) plus 4x SATA II (ports 2-5).

Intel® X79 Express Chipset

 

I agree and it still makes me wonder why come they don't offer that possibility..

 

Sorry, should have been more clear. In this post, I outlined what is theoretical with X79 - http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...levo-p270wm-owners-lounge-10.html#post8284025

We know the P270WM has 4 drive bays. Of those, what are the actual / physical port assignments? Optical drive SATA II? Battery bay - SATA II or III? Double bay - II or III? What type of drive can go in which bay on the P270WM.

Does the p270WM mobo have 6 physical SATA connectors? Assuming four go to the drive bays/optical drive, and one goes to the e-SATA port, what about port 5? Where does that terminate?

What I want to know is if someone has an engineering model, dissect this thing. If not, and we have to wait until they ship - can an owner give us the lowdown?

 

Who doesn't offer what possibility?

 

Sry if this is a real noob question, but does the 9270 have the Fn - 1 shortcut that turns all the fans to 100% (like my older 9262 can). That always kept my lappy from being too toasty while gaming and I'm cautious about upgrading to the 9270 w/ OC'ing and having heating issues (I understand that heating not an issue @ stock).

 

Ok here we go:

Port 0/1 (6gbps) Are the double HDD bay
Port 2 (3gbps) Is the under battery bay
Port 3 (3gbps) is the ODD bay
Port 4 is NOT hooked up anywhere nor is it able to be hooked up, its unused
Port 5 (3gbps) e-sata

All ports are forward and backwards compatible, just if you stick a sata 3 drive in a sata 2 spot it just won't be able to perform at full.

 

^^ Thanks for clarifying this!

 

Perfect. Thx! +1 rep

 

Ppl may want to get the full scoop on what drives they configure with the P270WM - http://forum.notebookreview.com/sol...sd-520-includes-sandforce-23.html#post8299579 See the last part of my post from Cloudfire about BSOD on SF-2281 and the link for someone already reporting BSODs w/ the Intel 520.

 

Update report...

Clevo has reported to Sager that.... "Due to material shortage, shipment ETA of NP9270 has been pushed back from end of Feb’12 to Early March’12".

This is all for the moment. Sorry.



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Bad news, but it is what it is. But I've waited quite some time, so a week or 2 longer isn't going to be such a big deal.

Don @ Powernotebooks told me demand has been higher than expected. I'm already paid in full, so hopefully I'll be on the first shipment list.

 

it appears to me that nobody seems to answer the cooling/fan control question others have posted

can someone please answer this question? this laptop having 4 fans is driving me insane and i just want to order it right now, but would rather wait for the new 7990m or 680m for it, or for someone to show me it can run cool..

so yea alienware m18x and i think previous sager/clevo notebooks have the fancontrol via Hwinfo64, i wonder if this will have it too. if it infact DOES include custom fan control i buy it hands down at $6000 a piece.

 

oh no....hope it dont delay p270wm3 too

since x7200 no fan control(only max/normal switch).......i soubt p270 will add it

 

The AW notebooks also have speedfan control option which is pretty good and lets you not only force max but also incremental rpm increase. I use it for benching and gaming.

Also, if 6k is your budget, you can get a uber beefy M18x with 2960XM/580Mx2/2xSSD/Blue-Ray/WiHD/Killer + Razer mouse + 10 year old volkswagen golf

Seriously though, you may wanna wait till kepler, it's just 2 months away.

 

kepler? what is that?

reason im probably not going for AW m18x r2 this time around is because it does not have 3 hard drive slots, no desktop cpu, and no 4 fans. lol

this new sager notebook is just that amazing..

 

Kepler is the code name for the next gen of NVidia GPUs - which includes the GTX 680m you mention.

Depending on what you need the P270WM to do for you, you may or may not want to wait for NVidia's release. If you don't care about the GPU, there's no need to wait longer than is already projected from Clevo. Also I don't believe the Kepler release will affect any of the current GPU pricing, or if it does I wouldn't think more than a couple of $s.

Regardless, with the current Sager / Clevo delay, it might coincide with some of the Kepler GPUs which, supposedly, are out in Apr/May timeframe (assuming no delays). So waiting a week or two more may give you more choices.

 

It also depends on what will you need a desktop CPU for. If gaming or any other activity that utilizes 1-4 cores, - you will actually be losing vs mobile CPUs like 29x0XM. Also, 4 fans means more noise but as absurd as it may sound, I personally like that too, hehe. I like big, heavy and noisy laptops

 

How heavy is the m18x? I had a chance to play with the m17x a few months ago and it was a solid, heavy machine. My current Asus comes in at around 9lbs. I'm just curious.

 

This is the Sager NP9270 forum...please ask your Alienware questions in the Alienware forum, or, look it up on the Alienware website.

 

With the delay of the P270WM to early March, I've decided to hold off on purchasing mine in favor of waiting for the next-gen Nvidia GPUs (680m or whatever they want to call 'em). Even before the delay, I had decided to wait for Kepler.

It's actually a much smarter idea to wait--if you need the graphics--in my opinion. Even if the mobile variant of Kepler isn't true Kepler (like it's still fermi but just even more cores), it's still going to be faster. It's also cheaper to buy high-end GPU setups with the initial purchase.

For anyone else that is curious, the quad-core Core i7 3820 should also be available for the masses by early march, which should make the initial configuration much more reasonable in terms of cost. I'm still on the fence of getting the Core i7 3820 and then once Ivy Bridge-E hits, get the 8-core monster CPU. I might just get a Core i7 3930K 'cause it's awesome! Would still get 8 core crazy CPU though. Still unsure.

Just thought I'd post my thoughts and decisions, as they may help another person decide what to do with their P270WM ordering.

 

I agree with you for wanting to wait. The 28nm gpu's are supposed to be out by April-May. I'm considering selling my P180HM in favor of one of these beasts.

 

About the weight of the P270WM but it depends on whether the Clevo comes with one or two PSU's

 

I have been save my $$$$ for this unit and wait since Dec 2011, but will wait to see if Sager will offer NP9270 3D version with new Ivy-B. Otherwise will force me to buy this current NP9270 version.

 

Wow, that's almost a year wait. You got some patience

 

I was order NP7282-S1 on Dec and i got email confirm back that NP7282-S1 was back order. Then I find out the P720 will be release early this year. So I cancel the order which is good for me, don't to up grade for new system.

But now have to wait for Ivy-B release and may be newer Gpu.

I do very need new Laptop or Desk top.

My is way way out date comp. At lease by me more time to save more cash.

Now I am ready for buy it. I got two option one is Highend CPU or dual GPU.
Not both is way too much spending for the beast.

 

That's the computer world for you, there's always something better coming down the road.

If you have to pick one or the other now go with the better GPU. They are much harder to find sold individually. CPU's are easy to find so if a year or two down the road you want to upgrade it it's much easier.

 

i would and actually WAS going to wait for ivybridge (which is still probably a good idea given ivybridge extreme uses 55 Watts instead of 130) but you know that 4 extra threads make it feel just that much better, and of course stock 400mhz higher per threads on all 12 threads.

imo there are just 2 big problem, well 3, one being unable or able to have custom fan control, im still not over that. the other 2 is this laptop definitly needs to have two power adapter. 130Watts from cpu + 180-200 watts two GPU, thats easily over 300 watts, one power supply will not work lol. if i were to put ivybridge along with the new dual 7970m in it, it'll be 55watts + 150 watts which is easily done with just a single 330 watts power supply. of course losing that CPU performance.

having i7 3960x would ensure i get the maxium performance out of the dual GPU PLUS max my two vertex 3 max iops in raid 0 =DDDD, with raid0 trim support coming out soon this laptop is going to be a BEAST.

basically the last downside to this laptop is carrying two power supplies (addition to the converter box) instead of one, if one power supply were to break down, you'll know whats going to happen... =/

with video/music/picture editing and encoding and gaming, i am sure to use maxium power of these processors... i kinda did the math but wonder if this would work.

if i were to say i max the power for i7 3960x which is 130watts during video/music editing, the gpus wont be used as much, but when i game, CPU hopefully wont be used much, and i hope just a single power supply can support all this, but i highly doubt it.

ohhh right, this laptop isnt 20 inch.. =SSSS TEARS

 

I am not a real game person, just need heavy duty laptop working horse power. Mainly work station, photo editing, movie and some game.

Do i really need dual GPU, understand your point if I have single GPU and want to upgrade to Dual GPU will have hard time to get one.

Did the reseller will able to sell another GPU for customer if one need to buy for upgrade from exiting unit.

 

Please note that upgrading to a SLI setup (buying a standalone GPU setup) later can be very expensive, even at a Dealer discount.

However, for your needs of "work station, photo editing, movie and some game" one GPU should do very well ...

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I think you got some mixed info there. To clarify, Ivy-E is expected to be 130-150W (especially the 8 core one) and there's no reason why it would be lower, only entry-mid level ivy will have low TDP but that's a totally different platform. Both Sandy-E and Ivy-E (P270WM) will have 130W+.

Now for the GPUs, both the 79x0M and GTX680M will be around 100W each at load.

So, at max load (Prime+Furmark) you will need 2 PSU's but during normal operation such as gaming you might be ok with a single one. Note, that while Intel states the 3960X to be 130W, it will most likely go way above that under heavy load.

 

Those numbers listed are TDP right? That doesn't mean they actually pull that much power stock.

 

The GPU will pull 100w at load on stock settings, but the CPU wont. Unless your using a synthetic benchmark.

 

actually, no. i mean ivybridge mobile cpu. List of future Intel microprocessors - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for i7 3920xm, it uses 55w TDP. and actually, even the desktop ivybridge cpu would be use lower power.. and im talking about first batch of ivybridge, not ivy-E

as for the dual 7970m pcie Comparison of AMD graphics processing units - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (look for 7970 mobile) it uses 65w each TDP.

you add all three processor up, thats around 185, with motherboard + three harddrives, maybe right around or just under 300 watts.

 

People seem to get confused on power consumption and the heat that must be dissipated from that consumption (TDP) - http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...levo-p270wm-owners-lounge-11.html#post8284787.

Folks, TDP is a measurement req'd of a COOLING System. It is NOT a unit of power consumption and plays no part in calculating exactly how much power the P270WM (or x7200) PSUs must supply. It *does* however, give you an idea of power consumption relationships as the TDP is a byproduct of power consumption. If the CPU has a smaller TDP footprint, it is a likely conclusion the component is consuming less power. I don't know if it is a 1 : 1 relationship, but regardless it is most likely that IVB-E CPUs will require less power. Either that or the materials in use are of sterner stuff and only 55watts of heat need to be dissipated.

Getting back to the discussion, I don't have any specs in IVB-E, but I have found references that the i7-3960X consumes 99.2 watts @ idle and 216.7 watts at full load.

So take that and the fact the GTX 580M (27.3 - 34.4 watts when idle and 132.4 - 214.3 watts @ load), you can see where the 300w PSU (but 330w @ trip) is quickly overloaded when you start to add and overclock these components.

[Edit]Some power numbers for GTX 580M SLI - 96.9 to 106.8 W while idle; 240.2 to 356.1 W under load. And I enjoy this quote, "Unfortunately we could not measure the full load values because after a few seconds of our stress test (Furmark & Prime) the notebook switched off, probably because the 300 W power adapter could not keep up."

 

btw i looked into sagers np9270 from powernotebook/xoticpc, pricing seems to be around the same. then i look at clevo p270wm (supposingly the same laptop), it starts with $3k, but then after all the configuration i did, its actually about 100 to 150 cheaper.. wth?

 

Pricing is going to be different reseller to reseller. If you're doing a lot of changes to your config, you may want to also look at a builder like AVA Direct or RJTech.

 

World class tech support costs $150 More.

 

If you meant the mobile ivy, makes sense but then you are talking about a different model since P270WM can only accept desktop sandy-e and ivy-e.

No confusion bro, I mean strictly the actual "pull" not the reference TDP. Reference TDP is still close to the "pull" in 80% scenarios. Same reason I mentioned that Sandy-E will pull way over the 130TDP it's listed at if you stress it 100%. Same way while the 7970M may be listed at 65W (that's the core only without memory chips, BTW) it will actually pull about 100W in Furmark.

 

Understood. I've seen too many ppl say, "this CPU has x TDP. These GPUs have y TDP. The PSU is rated z watts, so x + y > z, so it won't work."

Now, I cannot say how close TDP is to actual power requirements as TDP is how much heat generated by a component must be dissipated before you reach critical limits on its circuitry. And, for all I know there may be a function that can calculate this.

Regardless, when we're talking about the power draw that will trip the safety mechanism in the P270WM PSU, one has to have accurate numbers, and TDP engineering guidelines just won't do.

In regards to TDP and power consumption:

 

any reseller test hyperx pnp 1866 on p270? will it run 1866 without xtu/unlocked bios tweak?
though its sandy bridge but desktop cpu.....

 

Technically it's a PnP RAM and should run without any BIOS tweaks.

 

interesting question, now that i understood these laptops would only use desktop CPU, it doesnt make sense anymore why it would use mobile memory or mobile GPU.. so confusing.

but since 2133 notebook memory is coming out soon, hopefully in couple of month when all the new GPU/CPU released, i'll give it a wait

 

yes thats pnp, but pnp sodimms only tested to fit notebook cpu/dual channal
but p270=desktop cpu/quad channal

 

You're not thinking about the motherboard. The P270WM motherboard supports most laptop components - SODIMM (laptop) memory, MxM (laptop) GPUs, laptop chassis form factor. The only difference is Clevo replaced the laptop CPU socket with an LGA-2011 desktop CPU socket.

Does that help?

Does the CPU have anything to do w/ this? I thought any PnP configuration RAM modules was based on the BIOS (and thus physical layout on the mobo), not the CPU. Am I incorrect?

 

No the memory support depends on the memory controller, which now days is on the CPU so it depends on the CPU. In SandyBridge-E's case it supports up to 2133 natively and then like 2500 when oc'ed. So Yea 1866 should be fine, 2133 should be fine (if it ever comes in PnP) Everything higher is going to require some OC'ing skill.

 

Does anyone know what type of bios is going to be on the P270wm? Is it the old standard, or does this have the newer UEFI Bios?

It really makes no difference which bios is onboard, I was just curious as I have been wanting to see the UEFI since I first heard about it a year or so ago.

 

The BIOS's on Clevo's have been UEFI based since the Sandy Bridge models. So that will continue. Remember UEFI is a standard not an interface like ASUS has been trumpeting since forever So while it looks the same, under the hood its all UEFI

 

Thanks for the reply. This is my first Sager and I wasn't sure. The specs I looked at didn't specify.