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This is why I want this so bad. My config overall will be well over $4,000.00. It will be though a true workhorse machine and not just a gaming machine. Yes it will be capable of gaming but anyone looking for just a portable gamer I don't think will look at these...................

 

Sager is your best choice because it is made to work hard and also the bonus you get a gaming pc

 

Exactly...Thanks for that real world feedback.

 

come to some points.
overclock.Dexei to use it on road programs with decent speed.
Redenrizo in after fullhd compositions with very good speed equal to my desk the same configs.
Games. I like all squeegee with everything on maximum BF3 multiplayer ultra setings for 10 hours without using heat or even halt the normal cooler and vcore to 0.9v.Lembrando that GMES are in stock as well.
Remember that stability is all that we need at work. Stable and reliable? go to Sager and be doubly happy!

 

No accusations, just a well-educated guess. More than a guess actually. The 580M performance doesn't get better just because it's X79, there's no black sorcery to boost the scores. As for OC, I don't expect anything from a new beast. Its CPU heatsink is limited at ~140w, barely enough to keep it cool at stock clocks under full load. Dell on the other hand takes our petition to improve cooling and OC'ing capabilities very seriously. There's a very good chance that the R2 will come with a 3/4 piped heatsink and extra copper. At 90-100W thermal transfer the 3920XM will be easily controlled at 4.5-4.7ghz on all cores.

Yes, there are configs with a 3820 but that CPU is locked and you can't really OC' it by more than 5% if at all. There's no 6 core CPUs on the horizon for the mobile ivy but c'mon, it's not like you can benefit from extra cores in every application.
As for the Ivy-E in the future, most likely yes, but Clevo may still lock it by forcing a new mobo revision like it was at the launch of the x7200.

 

The problem here is there are just too many "May's" here. Again this is why I say you are comparing apples to a fruit you haven't tasted. According to how the bios is "Locked" you may have the option to strap the CPU to 25% overclock. Again this is all MAY, this has to be stressed.

The AW and even x7200 are a different class of machine so you again are comparing just there alone apples to oranges. Right now there is nothing out there to compare the NP9270 too, let alone the fact there is no machine to begin with.

Yes there may never even be a IVB 6 core but there will also probably never be a 6 core SBE mobile either. I don't see your point here as 6 core is available from the get go on the NP9270. If it were not then I'd see your point.

In the end you have to understand this is a different class of machine than the typical HM67 variants. It is meant for a slightly different audience/consumer so please compare it to similar machines . Most consumers looking into this class of machine know they need what it has to offer over other types of machines...................

 

That's why I say what I say. From your posts it looks like you didn't try to research before commenting. You can't get 25% OC' on a desktop CPU in a laptop. Check my previous post, the NP9270 needs extra 100W of thermal transfer on the CPU cooling part ( internally, no coolerpad will help) to sustain a 4.5Ghz overclock. You can unlock the BIOS but the system won't be able to sustain any significant OC'. The M18x only needs an extra 20W on the CPU cooling to allow a 24/7 4.5ghz across the board. Please research.

Why not? Is one of them made from anti-matter and can cast time stop and improved alacrity spells? No, they are both flagship systems with very similar specs with only a few differences. The major one is the CPU: desktop vs mobile. Just by blindly claiming that a 6-core 3960x is far better for work than a 29x0XM, means you either did a very good research and know exactly how both systems perform in your work scenario, or you are totally oblivious to the real life performance part. I work in IT and am yet to find a real life situation where a desktop CPU can save me a few bucks on a scale of 24/7 load vs a 2960XM. (I don't do video encoding)

The point is, are you using any apps that benefit from 6 vs 4 cores? Or are you just saying 6 because 6 is more than 4, lol?

Again with different classes. Meant for and used for are different things. There are many who use their AW machines for heavy rendering, encoding, software development and other work and never game, same as there are those who use their x7200 for gaming only. It's not what it's meant for, it is what it can do in real life, how it performs and how long it lasts, how quickly can it be serviced if something fails, etc.

But I'm not here to bash Clevo or worship AW. I only comment on posts that claim something which is too far from the reality. When ppl say Clevo is much cheaper than the competition, or that it's performance is higher, etc.
I personally don't care what laptop you choose for yourself, simply offering a different viewing angle for those who don't wish to follow the stigmas. This section of the forum is swarmed by those who sell these systems and they would of course want you to choose their products. But as a person who owned, tested and sold most high-end gaming and business systems out there, I say - research for yourself and don't fall for marketing traps and fanboyism of others. I currently own a AW but that doesn't mean my next system will be a AW. It may well be a Clevo or a Lenovo. That doesn't mean, I'll wear a Clevo T-short or a AW cap, lol.

Now, let's continue the wait... C'mon Clevo, make a 220W CPU heatsink pls!

 

Aikimox
you would have a report of the entire contents of your hardware to send me? may be the aida or hardinfo

 

Right I use an older mid range gamer for personal productivity work. I understand many do. I am not interested in a gaming machine or its capability to keep up with my work flow. If other OEM's decide to put out a workhorse comparable in specs to the NP9270 I will consider those as well. Right now this is the only pre-order game in town.

My wait continues even a bit further though as I want 120Hz screen. Not for 3D just I prefer the smoother action of the faster refresh and the ease on the eyes.................

 

Second that, 120Hz FTW. Let's see if Clevo lives up to our expectations. I'm personally waiting for a 120hz matte RGB (TN or IPS) LED panel. Whoever offers such a screen in a laptop, will have my money.

 

Aikimox, I do understand what you are trying to say, but also understand where I am coming from. I'm not an OC'er and have no intentions of doing it. Why? Call me a chicken s__t who doesn't want to needlessly risk blowing up a $2.5k machine. Besides, I wouldn't know what I was doing in the first place. I really have no idea if the machine simply wouldn't boot if the settings were out of whack, or if it would fry. Either way I would rather not take the risk.

So, when I'm comparing machines I do this.... look at the specs in my sig below. That is the basic config of the NP9270 I pre-ordered from Powernotebooks, and there are no upgrades whatsoever. Compare it to the lowest end m18x, which starts at $2k and you will see the basic config of the NP9720 is a far superior machine when comparing hardware to hardware.

At this point I would start adding components to the m18x to get it as close to the NP9270 as possible (performance wise), and that would mean maxing out every available upgrade on Dell's config page. Do this and you end up with a machine that costs close to $3.5k (if not much more) and you still end up with a somewhat inferior machine when compared to the basic config of the NP9270.

Again, I like the m18x and think its an awesome machine, but for what I plan to do with my machine (GIS applications, with a little gaming on the side) the NP9270 was the better way to go.

 

So you ended up paying 2.8-2.9k for your machine. For that price I can get a M18x with 2x580Ms and inferior quad core CPU. 16GB RAM is only 80$ (Newegg). Don't forget Dell price is NOT final, you can easily get 20% off by calling a few different reps. Now, if you were to upgrade your machine to 2x580ms, the price would be higher than that of a M18x with 2960XM (factory OC'ed to 4ghz) + 2x580Ms. So, it depends on your desired config, but like I said, you can always end up paying less for a AW, while Clevo prices are non-negotiable.

Since some claim Clevo to be more suitable for work than AW, think about the following - what if your machine suddenly dies when you are in the middle of an important project? How long will it take Sager to fix it and send it back to you? It could easily be 2 weeks. I'd of course be afraid to even think of OC'ing my business machine with such a warranty. Dell on the other hand offers a next business day support by default and that gives me enough backup to venture into benching and OC'ing realm. If something unforseen ever happens (am yet to see that after almost a year of aggressive use including gaming and benching) you just make a call and get it fixed the next day. Another interesting aspect of Dell warranty is that you can actually choose to get replacement parts only without a technician. That's the best option for experience users, since we can do everything ourselves without worrying that some rookie tech may break something in the process.

The only real downside of the AW is the QC, you have higher chances of receiving a system with minor defects (loose screws, connectors, etc). But then again, given the coverage, you will end up getting it fixed with free upgrades in no time. I know quite a few ppl who purchased basic (2630QM + single 560M) configs and got them upgraded for free to the max specs (2960XM +580MSLI + SSD) because someone at the assembly did a poor job, lol.

Again, I'm not trying to convince anyone to switch camps, simply providing a different perspective, something that most may not be aware of. Personally, I like the P270WM for several reasons and am watching it closely, ready to pull the trigger, if my expectations are met or exceeded this time around. But I do have a few worries like :
1) Will the system be convenient to use during long working days with tons of typing given how thick it is? My M18x is scratching the limit of ergonomics and its far thinner than the Clevo.
2) How good is the new backlit keyboard?
3) How good is the new cooling system?
4) Is there any OC' on the CPU?
5) will there be a good quality 120hz screen?

 

Isnt it better to have a warranty that you will never use. Just saying.

 

As someone who has sold hundreds of x7200s and offered additional warranty support, I can assure you at least 5-10% of the systems do require servicing during the first year. There's no black magic, Bro. My machine never failed on me, but I'd rather have a NBD warranty and never use it. At least you know you're covered. Murphy's Law is still active, you know.

 

I guess those times may vary depending on the user and their physical location. Of the 8 or so Sagers my company has purchased, we've only had one issue. Turn around was four days total from encountering problem / boxing up for shipping to receiving the fixed lappy. I'm sure those turnaround times are dependent on the cause of the problem and distance from Sager (we're in the midwest), but that was our experience. Also, there was an older spare laptop which was used in the interim, so downtime was minimized.

Now, we also have Dell desktops. When there's been problems, yes a tech was there next day to fix things, but on more than one occasion, while the tech was there next day, the problem was not corrected until day 2 or 3 - as tech didn't have parts. Again, we have older spare desktops for this as well, so when a problem does occur, the machine is swapped and it is then it is up to IT to try to correct the problem as soon as possible.

Changing topics... In regards to OC'ing in the business world, I'd like to know what longevity is of the OC'd AW as well as the P270WM. Overclocking tends to shorten the lifetime of any computer - not only on the CPU, but also on RAM, voltage regulators and capacitors on the mobo as well as other components.

 

So I was extremely close to pulling the trigger on the NP9270 and I really went over the details on the system....My largest hang up right this sec is.. The power supplies..

Does anyone have images of these beast? We had an M18X in the house at one point and I know what a 300 watt power supply looks like but TWO of them for the dual 580m .....and then when I look at the pics of the system I only see ONE power port.

I would love more info on the power issues here.. Where BOTH are to plug in, IF they are the same massive ones that Dells uses ect.

 

Both 300W PSU's plug into the convertor box, then the plug from the convertor box plugs into the back of this model. See the pic.

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very informative, ty for the info, AW ftw

i think only reason people dont like it is having to OC it, it seems very complicated and most company warranty do not cover OC (that i know of except Dell). OC would likely cause the CPU to die sooner, then of course theres no way to tell 3960x or 3930k in 270 cause the machine isnt even out yet. but the facts remains both 3960x and 3930k at stock speed (in desktop) out performs 2960xm when OC to 4.5 ghz.

there will be programs very shortly if not already out, that will benefit 6 cores. all for the ease of heart, for possible upcoming future programs =/ (even if its 1 or 2 they'll ever use)

imo worshiping is not a bad thing, makes you YOU. if i like it i would say i worship it lol.

this I AM VERY interested, if you dont mind PM me of how you are able to do that, cause I sucked at getting them to give me a lower price =(

to many of you who probably did not notice, he is from Calgary Canada, and im in Vancouver Canada. where sager laptops will most likely take at least 2 weeks to ship and return including repairs, and this is not an option when Dell offers "get replacement parts ONLY without a technician" or send technician out to your home in less than 3 days. to most of you in the states, good for you, i wish i could be in states and buy this machine with less to worry about.

couldnt agree more, my BRAND NEW machine was a used/refurbished one with scratches on it =D

1) cooling, 4 fans just too good
2) three hard drive slots.. +1 to P270 over the AW
3) Desktop CPU, something to brag about really.
4) only 17 inch, oh well

 

Thank you for the pic that helps a lot!!

Does anyone know if there is a caddy needed for drives 2 and 4? or if its just part of the system?

For money reasons I think I will have to buy it with one drive and put in the others a tiny bit down the road. I really can't find anything on the net about how they mount and the only Sager caddies I could find were for OLD systems..

 

imo if i am correct, caddy are included even if you dont purchase the hard drive. but then i donno sh*t, so wait for the experts to answer it =)

 

Overclocking is no longer the same as it used to be 5 years ago. In many cases, you can bump the multipliers without the need to add voltage or amps provided the CPU is unlocked (k,x,xm). The only real worry is the cooling. Surely, if the cooling system can't keep the CPU below 80C under load, it may shorten the lifespan of the machine (mobo) but I'm yet to see a single case of a dead CPU (from OC'ing). There's of course the supreme OC'ing and benching with all the extra voltage, amps, dried ice and what not. I don't even touch that realm as those numbers are done for numbers and not for real life computing. In reality, the 29x0XM in M18x can be safely OC'ed to 4-4.5ghz across the board with 4.5ghz for 1-2 thread turbo. Higher than that and you approach the 90C mark under full load. The 270WM would need a 200W+ CPU heatsink (the stock one is around 140W) to have a chance of OC'ing the 3930k to 4.5ghz. The 3960x is out of the question as it runs hotter and its extra cache seems to hinder the beast at 4ghz+. So, my opinion, you may be able to bump the 3930k up to 4ghz+ but it won't be stable due to the limited cooling. What it means in real life computing is that those apps fully supporting 6 cores will benefit from Sandy-E hands down, but in all other cases would fare better with the 29x0XM. For, example, I used to set my 2960XM at the following frequencies: 8 threads - 3.7ghz, 6 threads - 4 Ghz, 4 threads - 4.3ghz and 2 threads - 4.5ghz. With those speeds I had no cooling problems and had an edge in both worlds.

As for the RAM OC', it's not needed, just grab HyperX or Vengeance @1866 and enjoy the PnP high speed. Bus/FSB, I wouldn't even touch it, too litle gain for too much instability.

 

anyone tried OC the intel hd 3000? lol i would want to know how cause i would want to do it.

 

I thought you were talking about the P270WM here, lol. You do know that the 3930k and 3960x don't have integrated graphics? And btw, mobile Ivy has hd 4000 which is almost 2x faster and pretty close to lower mid-level discrete GPUs.

 

O/C'ng has a bad rep. This is because of the few that for the sake of numbers had no issue running the system to melt down and beyond. True O/C'ers only do so to 100% stability.

We tend to want just a bit more along with our 100% stability. As an example I run a Q9200 that is 2.4 GHz at 2.66 GHz and undervolted to run cooler and not throttle. So the system is slightly running faster but also under less stress voltage wise than stock as well. Even at 2.93 GHz it runs under stock core voltage and temperatures compared to the stock 2.4 GHz.

As Aikimox stated there is a difference between O/C'ng and Extreme O/C'ng. It is the extreme O/C'ng that will shorten a systems life but properly done there is no ill affect to the systems life span..............

 

You can buy OC protection from Intel for under $35 which replaces one broken CPU because of OC.

 

thanks for the info guys. i just wanted to know how to oc intel hd graphics cause it seems to be cool, making that crappy integrated graphics to somewhat useful (around gt 525m or even near 6650m). but i doubt theres a bios made or program made to oc intel graphics and thats even more rare for mobile integrated grpahics.

also intel 4000 hd seems to be better than 3000 but its definitly 2x faster than 3000..

 

You can oc intel graphics until it explodes and burns your house down, killing your pet in the process.
And you still won't get good performance.

 

^ Dont worry they'll replace it if you buy the warranty for $35, the CPU that is.

 

Ok, please don't hurt me if this is considered a stupid question. I've read through the posts and looked at some of the CPU performance charts, which I admit other than knowing that higher numbers are better than lower numbers, doesn't really translate well to my brain. I wanted to see if my thinking is generally accurate so far.

To grossly oversimplify, my current understanding on this next architecture change is that generally Ivy Bridge is primarily concerned with being more power efficient, followed by a performance increase over the prior Sandy Bridge Line (and more specifically for this forum, the prior i7 line to that). In other words, its faster and will continue to grow faster in the future, but power efficiency, not raw power, is the main event. The mobile chips are touting improved integrated graphics performance, but again, raw CPU performance improvements, while coming, are not the forefront "spirit" of the line (and would I suppose be relatively irrelevant to dedicated graphics cards when on AC Power).

Since at launch the same graphics cards are launching that are now available in the x7200 (which I own), graphics performance (in games, for example), should generally be the same. As new cards are released, this gap will continue to widen too.

The other improvements in this new refreshed model specifically are the two slots with SATA III, RAM potential, backlit keyboard, and the option of the 120hz screen.

Having said all of this, in terms of strictly raw performance, can anyone hazard a guess about how all of these things are going to translate into real world performance increases - by this I mean in terms of time (i.e. ripping a DVD to back it up onto your HDD) or in terms of graphics overall FPS in some of the recent games. Obviously, I don't expect specifics on either since no one can test this yet, its more of a general question. I'm especially interested in the graphics question, as based on my understanding of the above, and that most games are maxed out with the 580m SLI already, I wouldn't expect much to change here. The SSD potential would likely help the overall "snappiness" of things, but I'm more interested in the other components.

Thanks

 

Regular Ivy Bridge (arriving in the next few months on desktop Socket LGA1155) is unsupported on the P270WM because the P270WM is using Socket LGA2011. That is first and foremost the biggest source of confusion for many people. The P270WM uses Sandy Bridge -E ("E-xtreme" or "E-nthusiast") which is a whole other monster versus vanilla Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge.

What you're confusing is later compatibility with Ivy Bridge -E (Socket 2011), which is rumored to have an 8-core/16-thread monster CPU in the works. The performance gain for IB-E (Ivy Bridge-Extreme) vs SB-E (Sandy Bridge-Extreme) might be quite high in the crazy 8-core processor, but otherwise the benefits will likely still be in power savings/efficiency.

The performance difference of SB-E (or IB-E for that matter) versus your current X7200 in professional usage, like video rendering, will be very high--even at stock speeds.

To be perfectly honest, the P270WM really isn't going to be much a gaming-oriented machine--although it will absolutely destroy games--it's truly for professional usage where high CPU workloads and extreme CPU throughput are required.

Hope that helps you out a little.

 

Ripping a DVD to your HDD is more dependent on the DVD speed. Now taking those files and changing format and/or compression etc is a different story and more encoding dependent (CPU/GPU). If you are not stressing your system now then do not worry too much about the speed increase of the next gen system........................

 

Forgive me for my ignorance, but is this warranty available at point of sale/ retailer or applied for after the fact through Intel?

 

Killing the CPU is far more difficult than any other notebook component. During my 16 years in IT have only seen one dead processor. If you go wild OC'ing your beast and are not careful with thermals, voltages, etc., you'll probably kill the motherboard first anyway. Also, unless manually overruled using unlocked BIOS, the machine will shut down when the CPU reaches 100C to prevent meltdown. But if you never let it hit 90C+, nothing to worry about.

 

Like Aikimox said, it's very hard to kill the CPU. But if you want to, iirc you can get it within one year of CPU purchase.

 

so what does break the fastest in a laptop? MB?

 

the HDD, bad RAM and failed MOBO's so yeah.. also bad screens, but that isn't the issue at the current moment

 

On all notebooks I own, DVD drive is the first/fastest one to break.

 

we missed u man!!!pls return back!!

 

Hello Everyone ,

This is my first post and quite happy to read everything in general about the Sager NP9270. I had a few questions but before I get into those I would like to say I am really looking forward to getting this laptop with the bare minimum now and upgrade later. Mostly sure I will be ordering this laptop from xotic.I have posted this same post there but I will get a better response here and some other forums so am doing the same post there too.I know only a little about computer hardware and before I order hope I will get some answers for my questions here.As this is very new to me and frankly very scary to buy this laptop ( very pricey ) I really hope I could get some detailed answers and would be great if experienced users chip in with their remarks / tips .One of the scary things I recently observed ( I believe this might not be the case for laptop enthusiasts but it is a very big deal for me ) is when 9270 came out then the one before this is ie the 8272 s1(If I am correct) is not even listed anywhere on xoticpc or sagernotebook page . I am using an inspiron 600m (yeah I know it is 5 years old) to write this message down and do my programming work which is pretty slow on this laptop and gaming is kind of non existent but I can still play some and so I am looking for buying a computer which can last me 8-9 yrs!! solidly. I am not someone who likes changing a laptop coz a new one is out but only coz I cannot do some real work and I believe this machine would surely last me that period.Heck ! even my laptop still has an year or two left in it and then some too. So supposing I fry the mobo in like 5 years or so would there be a chance I would even get it anywhere ? I would love it if ( surely after paying for it and the workmanship) I could get it from xoticpc or any other good reseller itself. It would really be a relief to know that is possible! coz right now , as with the NP8272 , I think I wont even see this laptop anywhere on the forums after next july aug?. I dont really want to go the ebay route coz with a premium product such as this I would hate to take any chances ever!

The configuration I am looking to buy has a single GTX 580 gpu ( no SLI) and pretty much unchanged except for the network card ( Bigfoot ) .No OS .

1. DISPLAY QUESTIONS.

a. When will be the 3D screen option be available for this machine for resellers ?

b . Is it possible to buy the stock screen now and get it upgraded later ? If I dont have a choice I would like to wait some more and get the 3D screen so please advise.

2. GPU QUESTIONS.

I want to get just the stock single gpu .

a. Is this gpu enough to support a 3D screen without any overclocking for movies or playing games at respectable fps ( I dont need very high fps but any thing smooth without hiccups/hangs is fine).

b. The current difference between getting this and getting a two gpus in SLI is ~$625. If I choose to get an SLI after an year will this price expectedly be lesser or more than this?

c. Does getting the SLI involve any hardware changes/soldering or any other physical changes to be done on the mobo or is it just a matter of buying another gpu and putting it in the slot? I want to know if this upgrade from single to double gpu can be done by a user who has no knowledge of how to set up SLI.

d . If I choose to buy two ATI cards and set up CF for this system(currently having 580 GTX card) later can I do that by myself or is the issue again going to be hardware change / soldering related?

e. I read that the newer IVY Bridge E processors can also fit into this computer but it will require the BIOS and Firmware to be updated. How does a user update these?I mean are BOTH these updates available anywhere free of charge for users? Seeing that both xotic and Sager have taken down the NP8272 s1 I wonder what a user would do if he/she owned it and was looking for something similar for updates to those now?

f. Could I skip on getting even the stock gpu completely? I would like to buy it later.I know it wont help gaming but I was just wondering if this is possible.I could then go for a 680 later on.

3. OVERCLOCKING QUESTIONS.

a . I am currently in India and the ambient temperature can go pretty high here to like mid 40 s degree celcius. I saw videos of the previous Sager models been tested for cooling but if I am not mistaken the tests were done in AC rooms and I am not sure if they would hold the same in India.The Base freq is 3.3 - 3.8 so If I got to say 4.2 or something ( I guess it can go much higher) then will the heating be effective considering the facts that it will have just one gpu also that I read for the earlier model that under stress tests it can go as high as mid 80s ( surely ambient temp helping a lot there by being cold which wont be the case here).

b. If I am correct Overclocking requires and unlocked cpu ( ulocked gpu for gpus) but what else does it require? Any BIOS stuff? So considering that I will install ubuntu and windows 7 dual boot in this laptop will I as a user be able to try a little overclocking myself ? I am asking this for Both the cpu and gpu.

4. HARD DRIVE

a. I would get the SATA 3 750 GB 7200 rpm drive as the primary and no secondary but I wonder if later on I can get a SSD and use that as Primary and put the 750 as secondary.?

b. What are the read/ write possible speeds for the hard drive slots present on the mobo ? If I do the hd setup as above will the 750 be a bottleneck to the ssd? Also is there a huge difference between the primary slots data capabilities and the rest of the slots. Could I get some figures and explanation?

5 . Battery.

a. I am guessing the stock battery would not last more than half hour on heavy use. How much tentatively ( based on previous models) would the extended battery( the extra battery option is extended one isnt it?)add to this?

GENERAL ISSUES--

7. I have read at some places that the gpu fried ( for the older desktop replacement models) and I also got the feedback from xoticpc that heating might be an issue with these big machines and I also read that it is better to buy something like a sager 8150 rather than this laptop. It is for these reasons that I wanted to keep a single gpu only and overclock only a little with 4 fans. Is getting a desktop replacement model like this wise or should I stick with smaller one like 8150? I really am sensitive to the heat issue considering the heat and dust situation in India (where I am currently).

8. If 3D is not going to be out soon then I am wondering if buying now and upgrading to 3D later would be an economic choice? If I do this then the screen I would have on stock would be useless and what is worse is I would have to send it to xoticpc ( I probably am going to buy from them) for fitting which they will charge extra for? Isnot this extra charge correct for this or any similar situation?

9. If I buy in April and get the same config will the price of this be any lower than now? Will it be any lower in November? I can wait 1-2 more months but not anymore than that.

thanks a lot every one for reading though and double thanks for comments and answers.

 

@ Varunreeves,

4-5 years is about max realistic lifespan for any new system nowadays. It can, purely theoretically last 10 but don't count on that. I have a 9 year old thinkpad and while it's still operational, I can't do any serious work on it. It was the best laptop of its class at the time of purchase...

As per your questions:

Ivy-E, 3D screen, future GPUs may all require a different mobo revision for the system. So, worst case scenario, you get what you get and will have to stay with the initial config except for some minor upgrades down the road.

Upgrading CPU/GPU/Mobo/etc down the road is possible but costly. Don't count on saving much when upgrading those yourself.

Overclocking is not gonna happen @40C ambient, sorry. Even at stock clocks you will be facing overheating issues at max load during long gaming or encoding sessions. 4.2Ghz on the CPU is wishful thinking at this point. There may be no overclock at all. Keep that in mind.

1-2 months won't change much in regards to pricing.

I'd probably wait till all vendors update their lines with Ivy and then decide.
There could be quite a few interesting options to choose from: Lenovo ThinkPads, HP Elitebooks, Dell Precisions, AW M17x/M18x, New Sagers including the 15" ones.

If you don't care about the battery life, size and weight and are locked on the P270WM, I suggest going with the base config, undervolt the CPU and probably GPU, and then maybe try some minor overclock if the temps are perfect at stock clocks.

 

@Aikimox.
Before I begin to say anything , thanks a lot for taking out the time. I appreciate it really.
As to my questions I believe you tried to do justice to them but I guess you missed out on a few. I would also love and request to get second opinions on my questions from the Other members here but thanks a lot for the effort. The questions I believe you missed out on , or which I need answers too and also for which I am confused with your answers are--
1. I read in this thread earlier that 3D might be offered but a little delayed. So your answer of mobo change confuses me.One thing in your answer that kind of scares me is that ivy E might not be compatible with this mobo. Everywhere I read including other forums I got the idea that this mobo was reverse compatible with ivy E which is a die shrink of sandy
E . If there are doubts to this (this is one of the biggest reasons I am buying such a huge laptop) then I would stick with my first choice that is 8150 sager or the one which will come out with IVY.

You missed 2 a , c , d and e .You answered e partially.
3. In the tests I read about people achieved 4.7 clock speeds for same processor. Were all those for desktops or do people overclock laptop also a little sometimes? So can I achieve anything above 4 for any laptop like 8150 or lenovo or any other? I was intent on buying this comp coz it has a lot of fans and cooling and i figured that just one gpu like 8150 but 4 fans ( more than NP8150) can be really helpful in even overclock or something.Also does ambient make such a huge difference ?

You missed 4 and 5 completely I guess.
Also why suggest HP and Dell in the same breadth as sager( which I have heard are far better performing and solid than either HP ( lots of bad product from personal exp) and Dell Alienware ( every one I have read on forums says it is over priced) ) I was looking to buy lenovo W520 earlier but it does not offer the best gpu out there or any of the multifarious choices sager does not to mention desktop processors on laptops.

So all in all if there are doubts about sandyE and ivyE backward compatibility or doubts about 680 fitting in 580 slot (I only want to know or doubts about 680 and not beyond it like 780 or sth) and if there is no way to overclock even the gpu( which is a laptop and not a desktop gpu) with 4 fans then I might now get this computer completely. I mean if it does not solve my purpose and heats up then is no good for me.Thanks and waiting for more answers from everyone to this and the original post.

 

Will you be purchasing in India or somewhere else and have it shipped to India? Sorry I cannot answer your question (as I don't know the answer), but it might be worth investigating if you get the laptop in your own country, what if any difference may exist in price.

(Scratch some of that, I see you were looking at going with XoticPC and was going to have it shipped.)

 

Hey guys, so where can one get one of these in the UK? PCSpecialist don't do it, don't get me started on rockdirect and well lets not go there with Kobalt. Any other UK Clevo resellers?

 

I answered your questions as completely as I could.
Like I said, there's no 100% guarantee that 3D screen or/and Ivy-E will work with the current mobo/EC/BIOS revision. Also, I repeat, forget about overclocking, it may not be possible. You can't compare desktops to laptops in terms of OC'ing even if they use the same CPU model. Number of fans isn't the only factor affecting the cooling. So without diving deeply into thermal engineering, 4.7ghz will not be possible. Like I said, aim at no OC or/and undervolting to reduce the temps.

HP Elitebooks, Dell Precision and Lenovo ThinkPads are all high-end business grade systems with very high build quality, features, performance and warranty. While they may not have gaming GPUs you can still get high-end FirePro or Quadro cards, geared towards CAD,DCC,FCC,etc. The reason why I suggested those is because you didn't stress gaming as the main reason for buying the laptop and for occasional gaming even the W520 is a good choice. But the most important moment is the warranty. Dell and HP (and probably Lenovo) have international next business day support, which is a nice bonus in your case. If something happens to your Clevo in 2,3,5 years from now, you will be hard pressed to find the parts and may endup losing the machine. I have owned pretty much every high end gaming and business laptop and can assure you that they are very close in terms of reliability but where big vendors lose in terms of QC they gain in warranty coverage. Same goes for a AW. Also, I'm gonna repeat myself again, AW notebooks are overpriced only on paper. As soon as you start researching and looking for deals and reps you will realize that the price is actually lower, way lower than it seems and definitely on par or lower (price per features) compared to Clevo notebooks (one of the few exceptions is the NP8150).

There are no doubts. If Clevo decides to offer BIOS/EC support for Ivy-E and next gen GPU's, they will be compatible. Otherwise, - clear as mud. As for the 3D, the panel exists on the market - NP8170 and yet it's not offered as a choice with the P270 to begin with. Why?? As far as I know, NP8170 uses a different mobo for the 3D compared to the non-3D version. Same will probably go for the P270.

 

Not that I know off maybe you should try mySN.de a german company they should ship it off to you and it should be the same price included some german VAT, since you don't need to play extra taxes in EU when shipping electronics

 

will this be way faster than an Clevo X7200 with i7 990x and gtx 580 sli?
I dont think much , a bit improvemance?

 

Benchmark results seem to suggest as much....

PassMark CPU Lookup

The chart displays a significant difference. However, the difference might be closed a bit with overclocking. Aikimox seems to be the best person to answer that one.

{ Keep in mind that I am only talking about the processor. }

 

It depends on a couple of things:

• SNB-E vs. i7-990x modest performance difference
• IVB-E vs. i7-990X possibly larger performance difference
• SATA III vs. SATA II - significant I/O improvement
• 32GB vs. 24GB RAM - depends on your needs, but could reduce disk thrashing
• PCI-Express 3.0 vs. PCI-Express 2.0 - don't know if this means more throughput for video w/ a new type of MXM.

 

Like I posted here, the 2960XM (@4.5ghz) will beat the 990X (stock clocks). However, I wouldn't take Passmark results benchmark seriously. It's only a single benchmark suit and doesn't reflect real life performance, IMHO.
I'd look at various other benches like Wprime, SuperPi, 3Dmark11, Vantage, games, etc. But there's no better bench than the programs you gonna use. If synthetics show a 20% performance boost, you may never notice any difference at all. Like someone said, PassMark score is for bragging right only

 

yes , passmarks differ each time you bench,
did some bench with evga sr2 rig, passmark, with same settings two times
the results was 2nd bench is 400 more than first one..? Thats why I realy dont consider those bench , I only do the games bench's.
Then sandyb-e should have a big performace increase,
but until now there is no real info about ivy bridge so I dont consider in the list.
Thanks for info guys, Soon time il be buying and Clevo X7200 , and be a part of this section forever.