**Official Sager NP9270 / Clevo P270WM Owners Lounge**

Any news on the P270WM? Like, what's happening with Sager's QA checking, etc. Be nice to hear something.

 

The last we've heard is that things are going well. However, this model will not ship until April as posted earlier.

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Hopefully things are going well enough that the 120Hz screen is not too far behind.....................

 

Damn it's so annoying talking about a machine that won't be there until April, oh man

 

This is not unusual for a BIG release like this model to get a thread for owners started early. It is a great source for information.

In fact the Sager NP7280 - Clevo x7200 Owners thread started 4 months before it shipped in Mid September 2010.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo-reviews-owners-lounges/486713-clevo-x7200-sager-np7280-owners-lounge.html
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Hey Guys,
i've followed this thread since the first post and now - as the monster is in the resellershops available to preorder - i wanted to ask if there are any resellers in Middle-Europe that offer the P270wm in combination with a AMD 6990m Crossfire solution.
All the resellers i've asked were either not able to tell me if this is possible or couldn't costumize it 'cause they are ordering the complete pc set from elsewhere.

So, my question - does anybody know a reseller that offers the P270wm with 6990m CF in middle-Europe (Germany/Austria) ?

// or should i just wait a while?

 

I don't think you will be able to get it with 6990MCF. By the time the beast is available the 7970M will be released.

 

such a shame that 7970m isnt much better than 6990m. but comparing 7970 for desktop to 6990 desktop GPU, its a whole new level.. you guys ever had any thoughts on this?

 

Well the 6990 desktop card is a dual GPU. The 7970 is a single GPU card. They are in totally different leagues. Either way you should see at least a 25-30% performance gain from the 6990m to 7970m. I hope so anyway.

 

mysn.de go there, they let customize it i think...

 

Yeah.. but just between the single and the dual (SLI) NVidia 580m - and i don't plan on spending 700€ for 0,5% performance gain [Gaming]

So you guys think that they will create an option on the p270wm to order it with the brand new 7970m as they (both) appear on the market?
Hope so - because then it really would be "the most powerfull notebook" (as described from mysn.de) [At least 'till the new Nvidia Cards are available]
Thank you guys

 

Yes, that's almost guaranteed.

 

Can someone link me to IVY bridge-E TDP and other details( I hope it is out/leaked somewhere as it is supposed to be released this year itself). I was thinking that it will have a much lower TDP and that can perhaps translate to better cooling for the same clevo chassis or even a chance of overclocking. If this is a possibility then I would like to wait for the NP9270 with the IVY E processors.
I was wondering about the info Aikimox gave in reply to my earlier post about it not being sensible to overclock NP9270. It makes sense for the sager desktop processor with high heat emission in NP9270 but how is it that none of the sagers/clevo have never been overclocked and is not mentioned too in the forums but alienware does a factory installed overclock? Does this mean that even if I buy the new NP8150 or any other sager/clevo with the extreme processor it is no good for overclocking ( given the robust heating of clevo machines) but alienware can do it! It appears silly to me that this is true. Also this completely defeats the purpose of offering an upgrade to the 2920XM/2960XM and it makes no sense to offer these just coz the stock clocks are 100MHz higher. It might make sense for the desktop i7 processor as in here in NP9270 but I am hopeful of IVY E to be able to bridge the gap and generate less heat.

 

Finally, someone is talking my language! That's exactly my point! I find it ridiculous that one of the best vendors of high-end gaming and power laptops isn't offering any OC' for CPU. Even MSI is hitting 4.16Ghz (at least on paper).
But the reigning champion is AW/Dell hands down, with max OC' for the 29x0XM @ ~5,1-5.3Ghz.

Now, there's a simple explanation as to why there's no OC' option for Clevo laptops. (There is a couple of small builders like OriginPC, offering CPU OC'ing but it's all on paper only.). Regardless of how good is the cooling @ stock clocks, you will be hitting the roof of it even with a mild OC' and if done by a newbie, the system will die in a blink. No vendor would want to grant the end user such a weapon. Even Dell, with their warranty. The did offer a customized BIOS with up to 4.5ghz (on a single core) but limited in terms of amps + some extra safety precautions, like thermal throttling. And when you talk about a desktop CPU in a laptop, there's zero headroom for OC'ing
Yes, there were attempts to OC' the X7200 but AFAIK, all were unstable with throttling and high temps.

As for Ivy-E, it's gonna be the same, I heard some rumors (from a reliable source ), that the 8-core beast will be around 150W.

Bottom line. To offer a decent CPU OC' in the P270WM, Clevo would have to make a a twice as robust cooling ~250-300W. That would mean way more copper (and maybe some composite materials), bigger radiators, maybe an extra fan. I don't see it coming...ever. However, if they could take the P270WM chassis and cooling and make a mobile chipset in it, then we would have a 150W of cooling for the 39x0XM. That would be 5GHz across the board with no overheating issues. Hopefully, someone who can make a decision, will pay attention to this post

 

Thanks again Aikimox and really a very good point about the mobo. I would love it too.
So it seems it wont be possible to for the IVY E also to be able to be overclocked at all. I am waiting for the NP9270 to be available with the 120 Hz screen to make my decision but I can see that it is sensible to keep my options open. After all if the Desktop processor in a laptop will have more issues than and Might be slower than an ocd laptop processor then I fail to understand the USP of the said Desktop system. BTW this question might not be pertinent to this thread but plz link me to any ocing tried on other clevo/sager machines from last year/this year. I am aware that there is no BIOS help for this but I believe people would have tried it nonetheless. Also I believe since clevo/sager has more cooling and bigger covers/fans the same would be true for the models capable of the mobile clock unlocked processor capable models and so overclocking testing on them and information about them would be great help.
@aikimox . thanks for all your info and quotes but would it be possible to pm you somehow? If it is plz do help.
thanks everyone and onwards for the game is afoot!!Of course the waiting game I mean!

 

lol u two are crazy. i would just be satisfied with stock clock. for an extreme processor, stock clock is already pretty high and knowning its going to be 16 threads, i probably wouldnt ask for more lol.

except the fact that clevo/sager release a 20 inch laptop with tri sli/cfx =) and 5 fans =D

 

that, and i compared the core clock, memory clock speed from 6990m to 7970m. everything else (bus-width) stays the same except pixels and texture and bunch of other stuff etc etc.

jump for core is 715 to 800, and jump for memory is 900 to 1200. i would say memory speed was a big leap but not core speed =/ and since bus-width didn't go to 384, quite disappointed lol

 

@Unityole
I am merely saddened bcoz the statement "the most powerful laptop on ...." used for sager/clevo or for any similar desktop model system is then a misnomer. It makes no sense to call it that unless it proves the statement across all ranks and files. So one which is better on stock speeds but cannot be overclocked in a laptop , in my eyes, still is a point against it and if some other laptop outdoes this laptop then that laptop is the "most Powerful" IMO.

 

getting perfect in every spec is quite difficult imo
then theres the thing, it'll never look as good as alienware, at least not the p270 =/

but i get what you mean. i just wish it would be a 19-20 inch laptop that can really pack a punch. im fine with just 2 graphics card and heavy weight and low battery life, but big screen is really awesome and with the desktop cpu, makes it brilliant.

 

No no I did not mean exactly that but only partially what you understood. What I meant was I personally am perfectly happy with a desktop processor on an 11 inch screen or a chassis that outwardly looks like it is carved out of stone by the ancient caveman. My order of priority for a laptop (battery life is a misc and is kind of just anywhere ie on top or at the bottom) is 1. CPU is superpowerful( so I never run into a problem while doing all sorts of computations , parallel programs, running virtual servers, having like 4 versioon of memory hogging IDES open and all the while HD movie or two on pause and some video editing etc on the side .2. The gpu is very powerful so I keep it in hibernate mode but when I call forth it stands up and gets counted for anything I throw at it for entertainment. 3. Good Ram + storage etc. 4.Screen 120 Hz would be nice.This is how I would like the system to be and if there is a false claim for the no 1 spot( ofcourse for the present existing CPUs) I would like to get the one that really has the no 1 spot for the no 1 priority.
I can and will ofcourse later build a desktop coz a laptop might not be able to do justice to all this but right now I am looking for the one amongst all existing lappies which stands at the forefront. So the priority is just the first 2 if nothing else can be had.

 

Unfortunately, this information in not public just yet. Rumors are flying that normal IVB will have a ~20W TDP decrease. Does that mean IVB-E will also have the same decrease? Which would mean around ~110W TDP. Then you get into IVB-E allowing 6 to 8 cores vs. SNB's quad cores. It's really anyone's guess on what this will be.

In regards to the p270WM pre-cursor, the x7200 with the i7-990X can be OC'd to ~4.33 to 4.5 GHz stable. However, this is being compared to SNB-M OC'ing of the AW, which can be a bit misleading as well as that is an entirely different CPU architecture altogether with different heat outputs. On a related note, one thing I can say is Clevo/Sager should consider allowing a completely unlocked BIOS, so people can try thing out for themselves. I'd much rather look at that than having someone unlock the BIOS.

Regardless, only time will tell once released how well the P270WM does cooling wise with the SNB-E chips. Once we know that, it should provide enough data to start to think on the capabilities of the IVB-E - when released.

 

Ok, I just want to say that I find the whole 'it lacks overclocking stability' argument to be ridiculous. Why?

1. This is a desktop processor in a mobile form factor that already has more cores/threads than its true mobile counterparts.

2. 3.2GHz+ stock clock is absolutely unreal compared to the stock clocks of the SB+IB (Vanilla) mobile CPUs.

3. Overclocking is never truly long-term stable. As the CPU remains at high clocks over the years, it will begin to lose the ability to hold the same clocks/voltages.

Now, for what Varunreeves wants to use the P270WM for, there is--in my mind--no way any laptop CPU would be able to cope for such high stress levels for prolonged periods of time. Even at stock clocks, a Core i7 3930K would perform valiantly because all of the things he listed love a high core/thread count.

About the 8-core crazy CPUs: Right now, you can get an 8-core/16-thread CPU but it is an Intel Xeon processor and it costs a ton of money. Here is a review from VR-Zone: Intel Xeon E5-2690 and E5-2660 8-core Sandy Bridge-EP Review by VR-Zone.com . At an astronomical TDP of 150W, it's probably not a good idea to put one in a P270WM for day-to-day usage at the moment. However, with the upcoming IVB-E, improvements will be made and the die will be shrunk to 22nm, which will very likely put the 8-Core/16-Thread IVB-E CPU inside the 130W TDP threshold.

So, where am I going with this? Well, even at stock clocks, you're already packing more cores/threads than true mobile platforms/CPUs at the moment (and for quite some time to come!). What's more is that you are running quad channel memory which provides a huge boost to I/O for professional applications (coding is likely to gain a lot).

Varunreeves, your livelihood seems to depend on raw CPU throughput and horsepower. You should not consider the lack of OC'ing capabilities, but rather consider the high core/thread count with high stock clocks (3.2GHz+). Once the consumer-level 8-core/16-Thread IVB-E CPU is released, you can easily upgrade to it and gain even more performance. This goes for anyone in a similar situation.

Don't look back. The P270WM is for you, but don't let the whole 'it fails at OC' argument get you. You're already way ahead of the game in terms of core count. Compared to stock settings of every other laptop, the P270WM is the most powerful laptop at the moment.

 

Please provide some links as a proof. The [email protected] requires over 200W of cooling. To make it stable under load @those clocks a chest freezer would be required. I know a couple of owners who tried pushing it but it was never stable. So unless I see a solid proof of such a claim, I assume that it's a myth.


Another myth is the general assumption that a desktop CPU is by default is more powerful than laptop counterparts. That's not true, the desktop 3960X will still lose to the mobile 39x0XM in everything except the apps taking 100% advantage of the extra cores/threads. So, for example, those who never do video encoding but rather game on constant basis, would benefit from the mobile platform in 90% cases. Furthermore, if the mobile 39x0XM can be pushed to 4.5ghz+ stable (pretty doable), it will then perform very close if not better than the desktop CPU's even in those apps taking full advantage of 6+ cores.

And the last myth is the general assumption of the OC'ing instability (long term) and loss of performance/reliability. False. You don't have to mess with voltage and amps to get a decent and stable overclock that would last you as long as needed, provided the cooling is adequate. If Clevo cooling could keep the 3960X below 80C @ 4.5ghz, there would be no danger long or short term.

And the last part. Why on Earth would someone pay 2x the price for extra 100Mhz (stock clocks) of the extreme/unlocked processors?? Bragging rights only?

 

I need to amend my post and dial back my numbers a bit in my prev post. Let's say it can OC to around 3.7GHz (up from 3.0 to 3.4GHz depending on CPU)

In any case, this quote is from the post is where I was thinking the 990X was OC'ed to 4GHz+ (4.33 - 4.5 GHz w/ Turbo) -

The 4.2GHz number stuck in my head, but is incorrect. Besides, that is not realistic, as the system should run w/ all components, not removing items and seeing how fast I can clock the CPU.

So w/ that said, the x7200 is being used by multiple users varying from ~3.5 to 3.7GHz. - One more quote here -

But speed alone doesn't necessarily mean anything as it is comparing Gulftown/Westmere architecture to Sandy Bridge. And I'm sure the same will be true when comparing IVB OC'ing to SNB OC values.

 

where can I get an clevo p270wm barebone ?

 

RJTech, Mythlogic, Malibal, LPC-Digital

 

will they ship internationally?

 

The barebone is not yet available anywhere in the world. It won't be for another few weeks.

To what country do you want it shipped?

 

Yes , I know it is not yet released.,
but I can wait , I want it to be shipped to Srilanka.

 

The problem comes back to the original ie buying P270WM/NP9270 with stock clocks and more cores or getting something else. One thing I liked about this is that I could get an SBE and later get an IBE, such flexibility is not possible for the laptop mobo s. This also made me wonder if it is possible to get a barebones P270WM and try to fit it with perhaps a laptop mobo(I dont know and am just thinking out loud at the risk of sounding too silly!).Apart from this would love to know if of the laptops available in the market
Is there any apart from AW/Dell which has BIOS unlocked for experimenting.?
Is it possible( Links if possible again) of overclocking the NP8150 even with a locked bios and if so would love to look at what was achieved.
Would just like to know as much as possible before I settle down to buy this or any similar heavy duty , money guzzling laptop.

 

Laptop mobos with the IB chipset will also support Sandy Bridge processors.

No, you can't fit a mobile mobo into a Sager NP9270.

 

You would be better off buying one from an Asian dealer.

 

I cant find one, Im willing to buy one from you, how much will it cost for the barebone, do you know the prices? pm me details about it , thank you.

 

We do not sell barebone laptops. Check with some of the barebone sellers mentioned earlier.

 

There's been some talk on this thread regarding OC of the desktop vs. mobile processors. I found this quote in another thread. Anyone know the ins-outs of each processor type to know if this is true? In order to simplify things, let's try to keep this within architecture. Westmere/Gulftown desktop vs. mobile. SNB desktop vs. mobile. IVB desktop vs. mobile

If so, then that is one thing to consider as an OC'd mobile chip will only be capable of running one core when turbo is enabled, where a desktop would be capable of turbo-ing among a greater number of cores, which would translate to more work being done in the same amount of time for multi-threaded applications.

 

Should i buy this or M18x

 

this will be way faster than m18 r2 .

 

Skook9 mna, you are in the minority.

 

How do you reckon this in light of not stocks clocks but overclocked M18 vs the NP9270? I believe you have also read through the earlier discussions about this point in this thread.

 

Wouldnt the final numbers on all those benchmarks indicate anything for two different kinds of processors running at the same frequency?

 

actually, he made his statement just fine, being minority doesnt really mean anything when comes to gaming, and i believe hes not incorrect. i myself play games at a semi professional level and i know many many professional players out there having to deal with keyboard and mouse issue. i play starcraft and starcraft II as well as counterstrike and DotA, getting use the keyboard and have high apm and have high accuracy is one thing gamer should have. if you cant get use to the window key, change your key settings.

and obviously in this case this laptop is just way too good for gaming. having dual 580m or 7970m (when it comes out) is already more than enough for almost any game to run higher than 30 fps. the cpu of this thing is a killer, definitely should be used something more than just gaming. as per many other people on this forum, this would be a workstation for them instead of gaming laptop, and when i do work with windows, i really would like to have the window key left where it is, but then again im willing to adapt so i think im fine either way. only problem when it comes down to is that having all of my laptop with standard windowkey on the left, it might be weird to switch laptop around constantly.

 

Does anyone know,: an Clevo P270WM can hold battery for 100mins in gtx 580 sli,. read an article, then that should have someting new to save that much of battery,.

 

Source link?

Also: I doubt 100 mins battery with top-end setup. More like 60 min.

 

I got this from clevo.com , not an webpage , I just asked them about the spects about this system then they sent me an pdf file with spects. I think im wrong it was single gtx 580 .

 

very possible with backlit keyboard lights off, screen brightness lowest, 1 harddrive/ssd running only, 1 graphics card, power saving mode. then its possible

 

I think , if they say that can last 100 mins it should be in normal mode because no one will like to reduce the performance and lights.

 

The bench numbers are what would matter, not the frequency achieved.

In other words, I would take a Stock CPU which has better numbers for Photoshop Content Creation benches, POV-Ray, Cinebench, LAME, Hyper-Pi, Virtual Dub & 7Zip benches every single time over an OC'ed CPU because in the end, OC-ing really doesn't matter. All that matters is the amount of work that can be achieved.

 

If the x7200 is any indicator,

 

This is the same argument Aikimox always makes....

If you compare a STOCK 9270 to a STOCK M18, the 9270 should kick the crap out of the M18.

Its not a true (fair) 1 to 1 comparison if one or the other is overclocked. Many people, myself included, will NOT be overclocking, so the argument becomes useless.

 

haha , yes for fair comparison you should keep both on stocks.
acr731 , looked at your sig, that makes me mad ,lol
how much is that going to cost you?
im going to buy an barebone and fit it my self.