*** Official Sager NP8378f2(Clevo PB71DF2-G) ***

I have been on the fence on buying this for the past 3 weeks or so. Trying to find the best alternative. I was mostly worried about diminishing returns. The 800 or so extra I could save by buying a cheaper 2060 laptop could be spent on a 3080ti for my desktop. Although the laptops with 2060 in 17 in the price range are really basic and underperform. So looking at better built 2060 machines with solid build quality and cooling that would let the 2060 trade blows with 2070mq are closer to $1600 from what I saw. With that reasoning I figured only $300 more would get the 2070 super with proven performance demonstrated by you guys, gsync.


I think the extra fps in games will be worth it for me, I do mostly fps games and some mmos. So I ordered one at 5am this morning. Sorry to ramble, just wanted to say thank you guys for the info given when I asked previously and all your testing so when mine shows up I will have what I need to get the most out of it.

Bought at xoticpc so will be curious about different bios to get the higher tdp limit if possible

 

If money is an issue the 15.6" version of this laptop is only 1500USD.
It's 400 dollars cheaper than the 17.3" version but does not have thunderbolt port, finger print reader, sub or gsync.
I will check my bios version when I have the chance.

 

I only paid right at 1200 for mine (specs below) from RJTech, arrived very fast, have had zero issues.
It is a builder/barebones though, I had to add drives and ram which I already had
It doesn't score quite as high as lzealots but it's pretty damn close in all benchmarks I've tried so far, temps are a bit better and it tweaks just as well.

 

1200USD for a 2060 laptop or 2070 super?

 

In ye olden times the northbridge handled memory and had the IGPU on it. That's a long time ago though.

In discrete mode the Nvidia GPU does it all yes.

 

1200 barebones. That's no drives or memory and whatever default bios comes from clevo.

I was seriously on the fence about getting a 2060 vs 2070 too. Everything was showing the 2060 def gives you the best bang for your buck. Once this version came out and I saw the moved the default power limit to 115 I took a gamble and ordered it. Usually I detune it for cool and quiet anyway and not max performance.

I do like seeing how the reseller do various tweaks. Hid and gentec seem to push for high performance. I do believe xotic just orders theirs from sager and then applies different pads etc as requested, but I dont think their bios will have different power limits etc.

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With the 2070 super on rjtech its $1689 barebone. After tax it's probably close to what I played at xoticpc with 16gb dual channel. The only downside is the 512gb ssd. Next week I'll order the XPG 8200 pro in 2tb.

Could you flash gentech bios onto the sager though?

 

I was definitely thinking about getting a 2060 but looking at new consoles I think 6GB of vRAM will be too little later on and 8GB of vRAM will last longer.
Also going to a 2070 super didn't cost that much more.
I am not sure if Gentech did anything specific with tweaking.
The bios on my laptop are in the image below.

 

@RyviusRan

Same bios as mine. Thanks for checking.

Certain laptop resellers tune their machines. Some go for more performance and some for stability. It's interesting to see the differences. Sager leans towards the reliability side. Hid and gentec push for performance. Hid has an unlocked bios for overclocking the CPU compared to ours. We have to dial in w software and can't override their hard limits. A 130W 2070 super has to be the performance king. I bet you probably get better performance than the most if not all the 2080 mobiles out there. The only one that would probably beat you is the desktop replacement class laptops w two power bricks.

Good thread so far. I'm learning a lot since my laptop knowledge was 4 years out of date .

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Which 2070 laptop has 130 watt limit


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I am not sure you can say my GPU is operating at 130w. It might spike to 130w but it doesn't stay as such a high wattage and if the the CPU is being hammered then I doubt it will even hang at 115w.

 

When I stress test my GPU my max wattage is 116.7W your seeing 129W. Even if you overclocked you'd be limited to 115W if that what the power limit was set to. Your power limit has to be higher I'm not sure I would buy a 15W overshoot.

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I will try playing some games on it later and taking a screenshot of my results to see how high the wattage spikes.
The test I ran previously was running the Heaven benchmark with a Aida64 CPU stress test at the same time.
Do you run with the intel GPU active?
Maybe discrete graphics mode allows for higher wattage spikes for the 2070 super.

 

So what version sager is this hitting those kind of power limits

 

I'll give that a shot. I haven't checked power draw in discrete mode. I did notice that my voltage freq curve in MSI afterburner did change slightly in discrete mode. I had to tweak the curve slightly to match what I had. Are u running in performance or entertainment mode?

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The 130W max is on a gentec bought machine.

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@Wisconsingamer keep in mind were not confirmed yet

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I run in performance mode.

 

Ok I'm doing aida64. I'm going to run it with performance mode and max fans w just a -100 CPU undervolt unmodified discrete mode on GPu and see how it does.

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@RyviusRan

That is a seriously nasty stress test. My ambient room temp 72.5F (Air Conditioned). This was with the laptop on a desk with max fans running.
It's ugly! I only let it run for 10 minutes and my temps are berserk. I was planning on running it three times in different modes, but I don't think I want to lol.

Anyway here's the screen shot. Check out total system power, PCH temp, Average clock frequency on GPU and GPU power draw. It doesn't look like my CPU even tried to run to the 107W turbo max. It looks like your right your still power limited @115W and the 129.7W peak is only slightly higher than what mine did. You overclock setting let you get a higher average clock and probably a slightly higher max before the throttle takes place.

 

I reran it with the settings I normally use and it's a much happier picture.
CPU -100 undervolt PL1 & 2 limited 45W
GPU MSI Tuned

I'm definitely not too much of a fan of Sager's default settings performance settings under this stress test.
This round was much nicer.
My average GPU clock increased from 1506Mhz to 1681.6Mhz. Thermal throttling on the CPU was much less 2% instead of 16%.
PCH went from a max temp of 95C to 71C (No idea why).

 

I think if you applied better thermal paste you could drive down temps by a lot.

 

I have Grizzly Kryonaut on both CPU and GPU. I don't have Fujipoly thermal pads. I have whatever default brand comes from Clevo. I've also done three different repastes of Kryo. One from Sager, one to verify Sager's application, and a second time with fresh since my tube of Kryo was 2 years old. My second repaste gave me slightly better temps, but I think it's just difference in age and maybe a slightly better application. I was using the dregs in the tube.

Turbo boost on the CPU is not really necessary for me. I'm not doing content creation that really needs it. I'm happy with this machine. Without the turbo it's more refined in it's fan spooling. I'm tempted to limit it to 35W and see how temps do. It might run much cooler. with lower overall fans. I also finally found the memory leak that was hammering one of the CPU cores at 100% (fingers crossed). That also made the fans run higher than they needed.

 

PCH is going to mostly care about the I/O in use.

 

If the test were under the same config condition with the only difference being the CPU limited to 45W and the dgpu with roughly 125Mhz overclock why would the PCH go from a screaming 95C to 70s? That's a big jump.

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Could have been a background task or the like.

 

how can I take out the maximum of my GPU? Is the gpu overclocking included in control center any good? It only allows to run in performance mode, but if I run my program in this mode the CPU temps goo close to 100 Celcius which I do not like. In quited mode I have very good temps but the GPU does not allows me to overclock. I bought this one from gentech. Thanks for the tips.

 

You would undervolt if temperature limited.

 

Undervolt and use performance mode?

 

People tend to use MSI afterburner to modify the clock/voltage curve.

 

First thing I would do is benchmark your machine in entertainment mode and performance mode and see what your temps are. 3dmark and hwinfo are great tools for that.
Once you have that info you need to figure out your goals. Mine runs hit on the CPU but cool in the GPU. I overclocked my gpu slightly on the low end of it's volt freq curve and clipped the higher voltages where it never goes anyway. I limited my CPU to 45W to keep temps in the 80s. 40W is probably the sweet spot for my machine.

Intel xtu and throttlestop can be used to undervolt the cpu and limit power if you want to. There are plenty of YouTube videos and such to learn how they work. I use xtu since I'm familiar w it. Many people swear by throttlestop.

I haven't touched the GPU overclocking in the CCC. It's too basic for me. I use MSI afterburner, but it has a bit of a learning curve. The only downside to it is you need to apply your curve everytime you start the machine. It also doesn't play well with CCC.



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Thanks for the information, very useful.
I have undervolted the CPU and now testing my program in performance mode. I got a better result with turbo disabled in the CPUTemps keep in the 60s and my performance improved.

The GPU only allows memory and core boost but not voltage, anyway for me is enough.

Even though I had two days tuning in quiet mode now is better in performance mode with turbo boost disabled, I will keep testing until the desired point.
Thanks again.

 

Originally I was trying to reduce my GPU temps to help the CPU run cooler. It didn't make much difference. The CPU is way too hot for this laptop and cooler. That turbo boost just pegs it at the temp limit. If I was using this laptop for CPU intensive tasks maybe it'd be worth that Xtra oomph, but for long gaming sessions all it does is lead to sweaty palms and less CPU life .

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I agree, I do not need the extra turbo boost now, and is running as I desired, I just need to automate my settings and keep testing but with less hurry now .

Thanks for the tips and help.

 

Just recieved mine yesterday.

- Installed windows, drivers, ddu and fresh nvidia drivers.
- Discrete gpu mode
- 100mv offset in throttle stop
- Entertainment mode
- Made fan curves linear
- Set 140fps limit in NV control panel

Played some Fallout 76 and it ran super smooth, I didn't run anything for fps so unsure how it compares to my 1080ti desktop but super smooth anyhow, a great gaming experience.

Temps are high, going to order a 2tb nvme drive, thermal pads and kryonaut and get that sorted. Probably a cooler as well.

Fans at full speed are loud but not unbearable, better than what I was expecting actually. Display is awesome. Keyboard is good for a laptop, only curious if there is a different software that can be used to upload custom profiles?

One last thing, I got the laptop from xoticpc so it has Sager bios I believe. Only overclocking options is memory. Would it be possible to put gentech bios on it to get the fully unlocked bios? I dont want to brick the machine but would really prefer bios undervolting and not have to use throttlestop.

 

So long as it's the same model it should cross flash but there are warranty implications to think of.

 

@Derek Brown

You can flash w no problem, not sure how stable their bios was. The hid unlocked bios was the machine that failed. Sweet spot for chip is 35 to 40w for better temps. I also changed my fan profile to ramp to 100 by 80C.

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Mine is from Gentech, how do I get to that? I am also Using throttle Stop, the advantage is you can switch profiles.

 

Hello everyone.
I didn't see a thread for the Sager NP7877DW but I have been following this thread closely as it's pretty spot on with the same i7-10875H specs and chassis.
I'm supposed to get mine tomorrow and will test how the temp is.
If it's spicey I will definitely be -100 undervolting the CPU with Intel xtu as Lzealot has been and running in entertainment mode.

 

@SlayerrX

Sounds good. Looks like it has the 2060 w the 180w power supply. Def post up some temps.

Your CPU should run a bit cooler. I think your turbo power limits are less.

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It's basically exactly what I have in the Clevo NH77DDW.
Mine is the stripped builder lappy and yours is the same that sager completed for you.
My thread is out there somewhere but I've kinda lost interest in it I guess since no one else seems to have this unit.
I run 085 undervolt with zero issues and no reason to touch video since it doesn't run as hot as the 2070.
At least we don't have a screw under the keyboard like Lzealot does :þ

 

Nice to know someone else has the same system. I have only seen a few amazon reviews so far.

I ran performance mode for the giggles and it hits 93c without undervolting and then power limit throttles and the cores slow down slowly over time.
You definitely have to undervolt this CPU to maintain the performance out of it.

After this I ran undervolting

undervot -100
Performance mode
100% fan
56-57W power limit throttling
72-76c with 100% fan speed.
3.9Mhz on all cores.

undervot -100
Entertainment mode
45w power limit throttling on
72c with 65% fan sped
3.7Mhz on all cores

Mine is setup with 2 dual Samsung monitors as a desktop replacement too.

 

How many strips of thermal pads would I need to replace all of them? Also is this the correct one?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZS0CODS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_ht1gFbBKKH8SN

Want to get them and paster ordered.

 

Here's a pic. Not sure of the thickness of them. You'd also probably want to add 3 more. One for the PCH and two for the SSDs

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You can buy sheets rather than strips for better value.

 

What thickness have you guys used?

 

My staple in any machine has been a 0.5mm pad, 1mm pad and 1.5mm pad.

 

Today I ran an all core game and decided I like 35w as the power limit on the CPU. Temps averaged about 76-78C on the CPU and roughly 72C on GPU. Top of the laptop stayed nice and cool and the fans are much more tame. Would have been nice to have has a CCC profile instead of the 15W quiet mode.

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Has anyone faced scrolling down issues? Happens time to time and is not comfortable.

 

@Lopezco

With the touch pad or a mouse? I usually use a mouse and have no issues. Not sure if I ever scrolled w the touch pad.

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