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    *** Official Clevo X170KM-G/Sager NP9672M Owner's Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by win32asmguy, Mar 23, 2021.

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    One problem when repairing so much as above is that a replacement can become more economically viable.
     
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    In my case it wasn't a problem as components started failing long after projected lifetime of the laptop when spare parts could be bought on ebay for peanuts. I contemplated buying a replacement Clevo laptop few years back but was put off by Intel being stuck on 14nm and also Intel security issues started to crop up. Replacing motherboard to fix the intermittent keyboard issue isn't economically viable anymore though. LCD also developed a minor color defect in upper right corner due to burn out from Windows min/max/close buttons.
     
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    I'm a (so far) happy owner of a Clevo x170 KM-G (sold by Italian reseller Santech) with i9-11900KF, 1 TB of Samsung 980 Pro SSD and RTX 3080 latpop video card. I got it friday after 1 month waiting. (See my signature for complete specs).

    This is my TimeSpy result with (I suppose) stock BIOS (INSYDE Corp. 1.07.02TSAS):

    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/19740687
     
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  5. DaMafiaGamer

    DaMafiaGamer Switching laptops forever!

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    Hi bro, if it’s not too much to ask can you upload your vbios to tech power up? You can do so using GPU-Z. Also what hardware ID does your rtx 3080 have?
     
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    Is this what you need?

    TechPowerUp GPU-Z Validation 6m84x

    And this should be the hardware ID:

    upload_2021-4-19_10-53-3.png
     
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    DaMafiaGamer Switching laptops forever!

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    Damn, it looks like Clevo use the same 165W variant as the Alienware m17. The hardware ID doesn’t match meaning 165w 3080s have some difference to the 150w versions...
     
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    And this is good for the x170 KM-G I suppose... ;)
     
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    150w+15w dynamic boost
     
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    I think that Alienware and Clevo uses the same 150w+15w dynamic boost graphic cards.
     
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    I wonder why Notebook Check didn't compare this laptop to the "World's most powerful and overclockable gaming laptop." ??? ;) LOL!

    For those of you who haven't seen the marketing hype... https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/del...gaming-laptop/spd/alienware-area51m-r2-laptop

     
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  15. jc_denton

    jc_denton BGA? What a shame.

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    Probably because that title only rightfully belongs to this laptop instead. It would make Alienware's offering look bad, which it is bad in comparison.
     
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    NBC can be quite selective in its comparisons. Luckily you can add other configs to the benchmark comparisons (eg ge76...).
     
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    hacktrix2006 Hold My Vodka, I going to kill my GPU

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    Just a heads up, miners have taken notice of the X170's for use in crypto mining. So if your planning on getting an x170 anytime soon, it might be the time to pull the trigger. Looks like I will be priced out by the time I have enough to get a basic spec.

    Sent from my SNE-LX1 using Tapatalk
     
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    Geez it is getting desperate in desktop land.
     
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    hacktrix2006 Hold My Vodka, I going to kill my GPU

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    Must be, YouTube video from a crypto miner showing 52+ hash rate on x170 so you know stock will go quickly now. So ya guess I will be stuck using a Dual core R61e for a long time now.



    Sent from my SNE-LX1 using Tapatalk
     
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    Well crap. I was going to get one of these at the end of the year this year. I guess I'll be delaying my purchase for one of these things now.

    At the very least, we can replace the GPUs on these laptops if we get one used from a miner.
     
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    hacktrix2006 Hold My Vodka, I going to kill my GPU

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    That is true however would you after all the Laptop would have been powered 24/7, the battery would have had it, if it was still plugged in, then there is the heat issue on the plastics increasing the chances of the plastics breaking. Then the VRM's on the laptop itself.

    I am still going to try and get a X170 as currently using Dual Core T9500 R61e with a GMA 950 igpu and 4GB is painful for me right now and i have only been using it full time for a few days and its doing my nut in.

    I spec'd out for a RTX 3070 (As i was planning on not doing an MXM upgrade to much much later if it was possible), however if the price increases i am going to be forced to an RTX 3060 if the laptop is still even in stock.
     
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    They will go after what’s available. Normally the one with lower specs (best price point) but decent Ampere cards. Have been like this near 3 months http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nvidia-thread.806608/page-260#post-11077198
     
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    Who knows how it will all look at the end of the year either.
     
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    What ? Why ? This doesn't make any sense, where did you hear this ?

    A laptop 3080 has about 56 mh/s hashrate, a laptop 3060 has about 38 mh/s.
    If you are stupid enough to use laptop for mining, why would you buy an expensive dtr with 3080? Just buy a crap bga laptop to mine.
    Perfect example is the MSI gf65 with rtx 3060. It's garbage for gaming but perfect for mining with 38 mh/s.
    Where I live there are a ton in stock of these and comparing the price to an x170km I could buy 2 of these to mine 2x 38 mh/s (76 mh/s) instead for 1x x170km with 3080 mining at 56 mh/s.
    Not to mention that with buying 2x cheap bga laptop I would get more mining done, I would save money too and with 2x bga 3060 laptops I would have about $330 left for hookers and cocaine.
    So why would anyone buy the x170km with 3080 for mining ? Are these idiots who believe the 3080 in the Cleo machine is the same as the desktop 3080 because it's "changeable" ??
     
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    Hi guys,

    Has anyone bought one of these without the Prema BIOS? If so, where did you buy it from, what are the temps under heavy loads, and how did you cool it?
     
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    Damn these miners. They're a plague.

    Alder Lake incoming. I suppose there will be huge change incoming from Clevo (i.e. a new model alltogether).
     
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    hacktrix2006 Hold My Vodka, I going to kill my GPU

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    Well good news is my order is now in, managed to get everything sorted. Just have to wait 15 days now.

    So i guess i am in the Clevo club.

    So can't wait now for it to arrive.
     
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    Good. What do you ordered exactly? Specs?
     
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    hacktrix2006 Hold My Vodka, I going to kill my GPU

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    Ordered the following

    CPU: i5 11400
    RAM: 4GB (Replacing with my 32GB Kit)
    SSD: 128GB (Replacing with my current SSD's)
    GPU: RTX 3070
    Screen: 1080p 144hz
    Wireless: Killer AX Wifi

    Just need to findout how to remove the keyboard now as i have 4x 8GB sticks to put in.

    OP might want to add https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/ (PCSpecialist UK) to the list of resellers. Its known as a Recoil V 17 (Direct Link: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/recoil-V-17/)
     
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    Updated with link in the OP.

    For the keyboard memory the X170SM procedure should be the same. You can grab the service manual for it from Palkeo, or also use these instructions which are good:

    https://tech-docs.system76.com/models/bonw14/repairs.html
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    hacktrix2006 Hold My Vodka, I going to kill my GPU

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    Might seem stupid me asking (Ask stupid questions get stupid prizes), does anyone have a link to a 3D Image of the laptop, i am starting to design a laptop stand for it but having difficulty visualizing it.

    Its ok to have dimensions of 399mm (w) x 319mm (d) x 43.5mm (h). However is the 43.5 the thickest point etc.

    As it will be made from steel like by a friend i need a clearer idea.

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    Maybe they'll plan on using them at local restaurants, libraries, or other public facilities. If they're mobile and ppl can use them without paying for their OWN power needs, perhaps they're more attractive to someone low enough to pull something like this.

     
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    I'm waiting for a laptop like this. Right now I got the P775dm-g, it was the one with a 980m and 6700k. I already upgrade it with nvme, 1070m and 64ddr 4 corsair.
    But i think that it's time to replace it and sell it.

    The only thing that keeps me from buy a new laptop is the fact, that not one 2020 laptop got pcie 4.0. And now there is this new Clevo. But why it only support pcie 4.0 on graphic in one nvme? why the others nvme only support pcie 3.0?
     
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    Z590 and PCI Express 4.0 support
    With each new generation of CPUs, new chipsets are introduced at Intel. With Bo (a) rd this time are B560, H570, and Z590. The biggest innovation concerns the B560 and H570 chipsets, which for the first time offer the possibility of overclocking the main memory, which was previously reserved for the Z chipsets. According to Intel, the individual board manufacturers decide how much RAM-OC the boards can handle. There is also support for USB 3.2 Gen 2, x8 DMI Gen 3.0, Wi-Fi 6E, and Thunderbolt 4. Rocket Lake-S will move towards PCI Express 4.0, however just the processor. The Z590 PCH is still fully fetched PCIe Gen 3.0, the PCIe Gen 4.0 graphics card lanes thus are driver straight from the processor, and not chipset. The DMI link as such also sticks towards PCIe Gen 3.0 lanes (DMI = interconnect in-between CPU and chipset). Intel however did double up the bandwidth, connecting not four but eight lanes (with Z590). That also means Z490 is still using an x4 DMI PCIe Gen 3 interlink.
    upload_2021-4-24_2-11-12.png
    https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/msi-meg-z590-ace-review,2.html

    Edit. See also https://laurentschoice.com/2021/tec...Z590 chipset natively,lanes nested in the CPU.
     
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    That means this is still not a fully support pcie 4.0 board?
    It will be ever a board/chipset/cpu that support many pcie 4.0 devives?
    In my case i just want to change when i got two pcie 4.0 for nvme and one for graphics.
     
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    @Papusan Am i reading that image correctly, Z590 has a single 1x16 PCI-E 4.0 line to CPU with a spare 1x 4 PCI-E 4.0 lane for NVME as the "or intel ssd" is throwing me off on that image (Intel really need to be more deceive on what they mean), still find it strange that DMI is still connected via PCI-E 3.0 albeit with double bandwidth.

    Does anyone know which of the M.2 Slots are for PCI-E 4.0 and which are for NVME/SATA.

    Thanks @win32asmguy for the link for keyboard removal query (System76 seems to make lovely technical documents props to them for that). Just waiting now on the X170KM Service manual (Found the X170SM service manual and it was an interesting read wish all OEM's was so forward in schematics).

    Is there anything that members want me to test when i get my hands on my X170KM?

    Also another question (sorry i am asking a lot i know i am sorry just like to be forward planned), as i am making a Laptop stand from scratch is the middle of the mesh area on the laptop still sucking in air as i am trying to plan the supports for the laptop stand/cooler which is going to be made from steel.
     
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    The single slot to the right of the CPU is the Gen4 slot. It is labeled "for rocket lake-s only" on the board. Note that the slot can take a Gen3 M.2 drive as well so you should put your boot SSD into it regardless of what PCI-E Gen it uses. The three slots to the left of the CPU are connected to the PCH and should all support NVMe / SATA drives in theory.
     
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    So that means where the single SATA M.2 is from the X170SM is now the the PCI-E Gen4 on the x170KM so i will place my SN750 NVME in that one and then will place my WD 2TB in the middle and 1TB x400 on the bottom one. Thanks for the info bud.
     
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    So how does this translate to differences between the SM-G and KM-G?

    I am trying to understand what features and technology is different in the KM-G compared to the SM-G and if it is substantially better performing because of that?
     
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    Gaming wise with the same GPU the two will be identical unless direct storage really likes a PCI-E 4.0 straight to the CPU.
     
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    Well according my Samsung Magician's benchmark, the 980 Pro SSD (PCI-E 4.0 straight to the CPU) has double perfomance vis-a-vis with the 970 Evo (PCI-E 3.0):

    upload_2021-4-25_11-22-14.png

    In English it's almost 7k in reading and 5k in writing for the 980 Pro.
     
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    Is it possible to undervolt a non K cpu in clevo Control Center or even that option is locked because it's not a K cpu ?
     
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    For me it's a no for me, only having a pcie 4.0 don't wotk for me, already got one WD sn850 1tb and one WD sn850 2tb waiting.
    I will not waste them to work on pcie 3.0 speeds.
    Thats what they are already doing on mu p775dm-g.
    I will for mew gaming laptops with at least two pcie 4.0 for nvme.
     
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    The sad thing is the KM could have done it if PCIe lanes were configured with 8x,4x,4x,4x instead of 16x,4x. Surely 8x gen4 is more than enough for 3080 mobile.
     
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    That gets expensive to route motherboard wise.
     
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    Yeah, in other words, the single NVMe 4.0 is completely meaningless to the vast majority. Loading games does not get faster, loading programs does not get faster, installing games / programs does not get faster. Moving and copying large files (typically video) is of course faster with the NVMe 4.0 drive who run (or show) very high sequential read / write speed. But where should you move the large files at a such speed? They can only be moved quickly to a medium that is as fast. If you want to move large files so quickly over networks, then you must have a "reasonably" fast network to put it that way. This is also not exactly cheap and easily accessible. There are not many switches for this either. In short, the faster single PCIe 4.0 drive in the KM won't provide much gain in any way. People should stop look on or brag about the high sequential read / write speed numbers. Even for the PCIe 3.0 drives. What they should go after is highest possible 4K Random read/write speed numbers. But those haven't the bragging appeal :D
     
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    It's there if you need it, but do you need 3x Gen 4 slots? Is one PCI-E 4.0 not enough? You could still raid a second set off the chipset (which also gets more bandwidth).
     
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