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1750 x 4 = 7000 so its correct, its the same speed as the memory on the RTX 3070 vram.

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@NRUserII

Here you can see the power of the RTX 3080 laptop. 3D Mark Fire Strike benchmark

 

New bios available!

Bios Version 1.07.05RTR1

https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-ultra-17-id-xul17e21/

Edit: still no 4x16GB Samsung 3200Mhz DDR4 support.
Edit #2: back to 1.07.04 works without problems

 

Im trying to get a new laptop but i dont want to rid myself of the old parts because they are still good. can i fit a 980m and a i7-4960x in this?

 

i7-4960x is the wrong socket type that's in the X170KM-G or even the X170SM-G. As for the GTX 980m the VRM and VRAM placement would be different as will the core.

 

ok thanks. and socket adapters dont exist right?

 

It's not just a case of adapting the socket so no.

 

Is using XMG bios update for other X170km-g brand safe?

 

I would like to know too

 

Hi guys

Is there much performance difference between 200w 2080 Super vs the 165w 3080?

 

Nobody can give you a 100% guarantee. But they came all from the same Taiwan supplier, so I think the XMG bios will work.

But with my 4x16GB DDR4 3200mhz it doesnt work. I have written XMG about that issue.

 

THIS IS FAST ! Clevo x170KM-G / EVOC x1702 Review - 165w 3080!

 

The 165 watt 3080 is about 12% faster on average over the 200 watt 2080 Super. In the best case, it's 20% faster. In the worst case, it's about 5% faster. Most of the time, it's around 10% faster. It really depends on the game.

 

What doesn't work? I have some G.Skill memory, 4x32GB that, until recently, was working fine. Now I seem to have constant bugchecks.

 

Hello everyone, anybody have trouble with there killer 1650x wifi adapter? Adapter stopped being recognized until i finally did an image restore. Now it shows up but you cannot sign in. It just says you cannot sign in to this network. Same with the ethernet side except becase your plugged in you get internet. I'm typing on it now so it must have a memory of the password? In the taskbar it says that both ethernet and wifi are secure but not connected. It's a prema km-g.

 

Its dont start with 4x16GB 3200Mhz ram. Black screen. If i remove 2x16GB it will start.

 

I have the same issue, however I am putting it down to ram timings its trying to run the memory chips at.

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Good to hear i'm not alone with this problem.

I hope to get an answer from XMG.

 

It has to be either compatibility issue or timings as the sticks I have the issue with has been tested and are 100% working.

Hopefully a bios update can fix it though.

Hexk wouldn't mind if they allowed us to change the ram timings on the system as all Intel SKU allow memory over clocking now so we should be able to adjust the timings but that requires a P.O.S.T to happen first.

If I place 3 ram sticks in everything its good and stable as soon as a forth stick is placed it no post.

All 4 sticks for me are matched pairs from same batch and date.


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Are you using a VPN?

 

Have a VPN but it’s off

 

It used to work with the VPN on

 

Mine is not that bad. it starts but bug checks.

Other interesting things,
1. Bug checks appear to happen only when I am not using it. Every morning the event log shows multiple bug checks.
2. Seems to be worse with the new BIOS. Now it won't boot some times and other time is boots but hangs after a short period of time
3. The dump files show it to be bug checking in the NVidia driver
4. NVidia control panel has issues regardless of the BIOS version and how many sticks are in

 

@hacktricx2006 / @crossshot, thanks for the previous "memory" speed confirmation / thanks for the previous benchmark information.

I am having an issue with the Sager NP9672M-G0 (X170KM-G) I recently purchased with the below specifications.

Sager NP9672M-G0 (X170KM-G) Specifications:
- 10th Generation Intel Core i9-10850K Processor (10 Cores, 20MB Smart Cache, 3.60GHz Base / 5.20GHz Max)
- 17.3" Full HD 300Hz, Wide View Angle 72% NTSC Matte Display with G-SYNC Technology (1920 x 1080)
- NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 GPU with 16GB GDDR6 Video Memory
- Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
- Windows® 10 Pro 64-Bit Edition Preinstalled
- 32GB Dual Channel DDR4 SDRAM at 3200MHz - 2 X 16GB
- 500GB WD Blue SN550 M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
- Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX201 M.2 AX Wireless LAN + Bluetooth Module

Specifically, the issue that I am having is the i9-10850K processor does not Turbo up to the rated specification speed of 4.7 GHz on all cores. Specifically, the highest speed the i9-10850K with Turbo on all cores hits is 4.3 GHz. In addition, on single core, the highest single core speed I hit is 4.8 GHz as opposed to the Turbo rated single core specification of 5.2 GHz.
For reference, I have provided below screen shots of the i9-10850K CPU specifications as well as the single core and all core behaviors with overlays of: resource monitor (top left), task manager (top right), HWINFO64 (bottom left), and Control Center temperature monitor/fan control (bottom right). In addition, temperature-wise; my temps don't exceed 70 C on all core or 65 C on single core with both scenarios at 99% fan usage.

Intel Core i9-10850K Specifications:


Intel Core i9-10850K Single Core Performance at 4.8 GHz:


Intel Core i9-10850K All Cores Performance at 4.3GHz:

 

I can only describe it with my i9-11900KF.

With TDP throttling of 130w, it can reach (only) 4.06ghz in my X170KM-G on all cores.

When i set the limit to 150w, it can reach 4.23ghz. Package temperature is 81 to 84°C. Higher TDP make no sense.

Use Intel XTU and look at tdp and thermal throttling.

 

I was really hoping there would be a working Touchpad driver for this machine by now.

My touchpad is detected as a "Precision Touchpad" but the touchpad options, do literally *NOTHING*.
I can slide sliders and checkboxes in the interface, but the settings do not affect the touchpad.

I tempted to run the machine with some random driver, just so the touchpad doesn't work.
Has anyone found a working one, beyond windows driver?

 

Do you have the drivers CD that came with the laptop? There's an exact sequence you need to install the basic drivers the laptop came with, or the touchpad options bug out. Had the exact same issue you were experiencing and i just re-installed everthing in proper sequence and it fixed it for me

 

I checked the i9-11900KF specifications, and your processor is set to hit 3.7 GHz on 4.9 GHZ on all cores at 125 W analogous to how my processor is set to hit 3.6 GHZ on 4.7 GHz on all cores at 125 W. So, I don't understand why you even have to increase the power (wattage) at all to to hit 4.9 GHz on all cores for your processor or 4.7 GHz on all cores for my processor as the manufacturer (Intel) has already specified 125 W as the wattage needed to achieve those respective speeds.
For reference, I have listed the speed/power specifications for the i9-10850 K directly from Intel's specification sheet listed on Intel's website where Intel specifies the wattage needed to hit the speeds: of 5.2 GHz on single core/ 4.7 GHz on all cores; at 125 W.

Intel Core -9-10850K Speed/Power Specifications (Directly from Intel):


In addition, I went back to check to see if thermal throttling was occurring by rerunning tests on the single core and all core CPU scenarios, and I was able to confirm via HWINFO that no thermal throttling has been tripped as highlighted below.

Intel Core i9-10850K Single Core Performance at 4.8 GHz (Thermal Monitoring):


Intel Core i9-10850K All Cores Performance at 4.8 GHz (Thermal Monitoring):


Does anyone know what is causing the i9-10850K on my Sager NP9672M-G0 (X170KM-G) from reaching the Intel rated specifications of: 5.2 GHz on single core/4.7 GHz on all core; listed by Intel at 125 W?

 

TDP is thermal design power and not the power consumption.

You can't cool all cores with the X170KM-G for all core with 4.8ghz.

Again: look into XTU and you will see the TDP throttling.

 

@Meaker@Sager Well managed to get the new 1.07.04TPCS bios from PCS with new EC 1.07.02 and I now have 32GB 8GB x 4 working in my system.

So it was defo something with the original bios stopping the system POST with 4 slots filled.

Just doing stress tests to make sure it doesn't BSOD on me.

Its using 15-15-15-36 CR2 timings right now.

Going to test for 30 minutes before putting the screws back in then will test over the day tomorrow for stability issues.

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VPNs can screw up your networking even when off.

Had netextender killing all network connectivity until removed.

 

What's the frequency of the ram @hacktrix2006

 

2133mhz its from the MSI GT72 system will be replacing it for 2x 16GB 2933mhz when I can afford it.

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Ok, I wondered at those timings with such high capacity sticks. Makes sense with that frequency.

 

I know the RAM is classed as slow, however as my original budget could only afford the system in its stock state with 4GB of 2133mhz ram, then my Mainboard on the GT72 being dead as well as the MXM module i thought i might as well use the 32GB 8GB x 4 sticks for now till i could get 32GB of 2933mhz via 2x16GB.

Its the same ram stick i tried using last time when it would fail to POST or BSOD, however using the new BIOS seems to have fixed that issue *Touch Wood*.

 

If you need the capacity that is more important than the speed.

 

Well 16GB wasn't cutting it for what i am doing but the speed is also needed to be honest as well.

This is my current cachemem benchmark result.

 

@NRUserII

So i have more time to answer your question.

It looks like, the PL1 ist set in the Clevo X170KM-G to 130w TDP. PL2 is higher, but you cant max it out, because of to high temperatures.

Intel TDP of 125w is only for the base frequency of the cpu. Boost or velocity boost needs way more power as the TDP...

Here from my i9-11900KF.

Stock settings


Stress Test first seconds.
Package TDP goes up to 223w and thermal throttling is around 220w
But as you can see: it need more than 200w to have nearly 4.8gz


Here after boost (56 sec.) Package TDP of 130w is around 4.09ghz

 

That seems to match, 16GB of even fast ram would be no good by the sounds of things.

 

Ok, so I went back in the Control Center and checked out the "Power Modes" option where I noticed that my Sager NP9672M-G0 (X170KM-G) was set by default to "Entertainment Mode" (EM); I then went and checked out what the power limit (PL) for EM was in HWINFO and noticed that the: PL 1 was set to 125 W and the PL 2 was set to 203 W. I then changed this power mode from "Entertainment Mode" to "Performance Mode" (PM) and noticed an increase in power limit to now: PL 1 set to 130 W and PL 2 set to 251 W.
I then reran my single core and all core tests under this power mode of PM, and noticed an increase in CPU performance: from 4.8 GHz (EM) to 4.9 GHz (PM) in single core performance and from 4.3 GHz (EM) to 4.68 GHz (PM) in all core performance. So, the all core performance noticeably improved to the near stock max turbo speed of 4.7 GHz (all cores).

Ah, this clears up the confusion I had when reading the Intel power specification for the i9-10850K from Intel's specification sheet directly from Intel's website. So, I want to ask when Intel lists 125 W as the power specification for stock base speed of 3.6 GHz (all core) do they mean 125 W is the: stock base PL 1 or stock base PL 2?

In addition, if the power specification for the stock base speed of 3.6 GHz (all core) is 125 W; then for the stock max turbo speed of 4.7 GHz (all core) what is that power specification?
In other words, if the stock speed of the i9-10850K can be described as going: from 3.7 GHz (all core) (stock base speed) to 4.7 GHz (all core) (stock max turbo speed); then analogously, what is the power specification going: from for stock base power of 125 W to stock max turbo power of ??? W?

As an aside, does Intel list this stock max turbo power specification anywhere online?

 

125W is TDP and not PL1 or PL2.
TDP = thermal design power
PL = power limit (real)

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000055611/processors.html

The real PL is for the TDP lower!

Intel dont share real power consumption numbers

 

Hi,

Does anybody know the difference between bios version 1.07.05 and 1.07.04 ?

There is no Readme file inside this time

Thanks in advance

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Where do you guys get your BIOSes?

Can get a good deal on a particular X170KM but it's on very stock Clevo BIOS, looking for alternatives.

 

I noticed this myself there is no changelog nothing. So you can't make informed choice of installing the bios or not or what issue it solves or not.

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So I’m looking to get one of these laptops with 128GB of RAM. I assume for all the issues I’m seeing with 4 sticks that I should get the ram directly from the seller vs. trying to install my own?

 

If you want it validated and supported by them directly then yes.

 

I just don’t want to run into all the boot issues people are having. Does this apply to all 4 stick configurations or just the random RAM that people are installing?

 

You could probably get 128GB HyperX 2933 CL17 to work if I had to guess. I would specifically get those kits without the JEDEC 3200 profile.

 

Looking for this kit and can’t find it so far. You have a link to one?

 

Even though this ram is slower I wonder if this would work: