*** Official Clevo X170KM-G/Sager NP9672M Owner's Lounge ***

hello guys whats the best place to order this laptop from in Europe? is clevo center good?

 

I've ordered mine from https://clevo-computer.com/

Delivered in 7 days (in germany).

 

Having them close by to you will make shipping easier.

 

thx but which ones have prema in Europe.

 

Has anyone seen CLX's X170KM-G offering yet? Apparently, they have a 144Hz 4K G-Sync display available for it. 0.0 At first I thought it must be a typo, but if you click the info button it even gives a part number for it (NP9672M-4K 144Hz) so it seems legit. Didn't even know 4K 144Hz laptop displays were a thing yet.

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It also describes its 3080 as "overclockable ready." Does this imply it will let you increase the power level too or does it just mean it lets you increase the clock speeds only same as any other notebook 3080's? I'd buy this thing right now if both are true (4K 144Hz & truly overclockable).

Unrelated question: Is there a difference between the Xotic and Sager offerings on the X170KM-G, all spec options being equal? Different software or BIOS implementations? Any preference?

 

I'm trying to decide between XoticPC's and Sagers as well. Not sure how the BIOS implementation differs.

Be wary when considering their warranty options. If you get sager warranty from them, they wont repair sager parts, however if you get their warranty they repair both sager and custom parts you ordered from them.

I'm not sure if that panel is legit. You might want to ask the sager rep here. Apparently theres a shortage or something. If you get any more info on that please let me know. No way im buying a 60hz 4k panel or a 1080p.

I find it very odd and frustrating we don't even have a 1440p panel in 2021.

 

I ended up buying an Alienware X17 (boo hoo sellout I know) because it was the only notebook out there with a full 165W 3080, 11980HK (faster than AMD's mobile CPUs, and almost as fast as an 11900K for that matter, while running on half the wattage and much cooler), and a 4K 120Hz display. My only issue with it so far has been Optimus draining CPU performance when using the internal display and no MUX switch to disable it yet, but it's been confirmed to be wired for MUX and just needs a BIOS update to enable it as they've already done for some of their other models.

With the 165W cap on 3080s even in DTRs and the disappointing 14nm-based performance of the 11900K, there just isn't a lot of justification for going for all the bulk of the X170KM-G, sadly, when you can pay less even in the case of Alienware for something much thinner, lighter, and very nearly the same performance (within 5-10% range in most benchmarks). Really hope 12th gen Intel and a higher wattage 3080 super or 4080 comes along and gives DTRs new life again.

 

For anyone who's still interested, after speaking with one of CLX's representatives, the 4k 144hz panel is apparently not a Typo

 

Wow, yeah that's really nice. If I did get the X170KM-G after all, this is definitely the one I'd get. I'm still just not sure it's worth the higher price tag and extra bulk for minimal performance gains over the Alienware X17 I ended up getting instead though. If we could just get a 200W+ 3080 Super in this thing.

 

I was originally considering the X17, but i've heard it has some average/below average thermals despite its 4 fans. Just speculation, but i also believe that the X170KM-G would last a lot longer than the x17.

It would be sweet if we got a 2000w 3080, but it'd probably run a lot hotter, and i like the thermals we have now. The only thing that bothers me are its lack of screen options. I would have already purchased by now if there was a 1440P option. May end up purchasing the CLX version too.

 

I see people preferring 1440p a lot and I definitely get that it's kind if the sweet spot to run games in right now but I have to ask, is there any reason to prefer a 1440p 144Hz display over an equivalent 4K 144Hz display? You can just set the games that need it to 1440p on the 4K display and enjoy 4K for everything else.

That's what I've always done on every 4K laptop I've had, and now that 4K 120Hz and 144Hz are becoming a thing, you don't even have to settle for low refresh rates anymore, and can totally still play in 1440p if needed. Is it concern over scaling and sharpness? In my experience 1440p on a 4K display looks just as good as 1440p on a 1440p display, if not better due to the higher pixel density / no screen door effect.

Edit: On top of all that, most modern games have resolution scalers or DLSS to allow you to still keep the game set to 4K while bumping down the actual 3D rendering of the game for extra performance as needed.

 

Got a X170KM-G from sager directly,
Although I asked specifically to remove the Sager brand from the lid (both email and comment while purchasing) they left it on... Very disappointing...
Anyone knows what kind of touchpad is it? is there any driver/app for fine tuning?

 

Mostly just for the cost. The cost of a 1440p is pretty fair compared to the 4k ones that are out. Though i definitely wouldn't mind a 4K display with the same refresh rate.

Speaking of 4K, do you see the price difference on the CLX website compared to the XoticPC website?

XoticPC (and Sager) has their QFHD listed at 300 dollars.

But CLX has their QFHD listed at 170 DOLLARS

The QFHD on xoticpc is only 60hz. Seems a bit strange CLX would be offering the same at a lower price for a higher refresh rate.

 

Yes I noticed that too. Xotic's Sager has its 4K 60Hz as it's most expensive option, with the 300Hz option as the middle price, while CLX has the 300Hz as the most expensive and the 4K 144Hz as the middle price. Weird. However, it's worth noting the total price of the CLX is still higher in the end regardless of display choice. Still would pay the extra for the 4K 144Hz though.

 

That's not something we offer with this model.

You can use the windows precision drivers to customise it.

 

So my old GTX880M SLI Sager finally died after 7 years of intensive use (gaming). The laptop no longer recognizes the video cards. So I got my X170KM-G1 on order from XoticPC with a 3080, I7-11700, 32GRam, etc.

My question is about the possibility of a new 3080 super coming out early next year. Supposing the performance increase is significant enough to justify the cost and effort of upgrade, where can the new card be purchased from? Also, I assume it's relatively simple to swap the cards...take out the old, paste in the new...possibly update drivers.?? Any input appreciated.

 

You'll have to wait. If Clevo continue with X170 or a new LGA machine it will contain new MB with a new socket 1700 for Alder lake. Could be a major change in the internal design.

Be sure you pay for max extended Premium warranty.

 

What are the odds of clevo releasing another model this year?

 

I don’t think we will see 3080 Super cards before Intel is out with Alder lake Mobile Processors. And I think the desktop processors will come first this late fall. Probably spring as the Super cards for 2xxx series.

 

Frank Chu from sales told me it's possible before I ordered the Machine...

 

I have a technical question,
There are two thunderbolt ports. Are they sharing the 40GBps or they are 40GBps each?

 

Sharing (chipset bandwidth is a limit any way).

 

Welp, couldn't figure out what the issue is. BSOD on wake from sleep. Memtest was good. Exhausted the overclocking configuration options. Re-installed Windows, drivers, updated the BIOS to the XMG one linked here, same issue. Suspend option via a Linux OS also causes a crash on wake. This must mean it's a hardware fault, right? Like I can't possibly imagine it's anything else. It has to be something to do with the disk or power management, or both. Disabling fast boot removes the BSODs on cold boot and restart. But that's written everywhere - nowhere could I find any resources on fixing BSODs on wake from sleep.

I guess I'll just live with it then. Shutting down every day is probably a good thing for its longevity anyways

 

I leave machine on 24/7 unless i'm travelling. They last forever with ssds.
I had blue screens tamed for a while then NVidia & Windows updated themselves and i've got them again.
I'm hopinbg it's going to be fixed eventually by bios and/or driver updates.
Price of having just-released stuff...

 

Fellas, do you have a link to CCC 3.36? Can't download it from Clevo website, shows en error. Thanks

 

https://eurocom.com/ec/drivers(477)EUROCOM_SkyZ7R2

Right click the driver and save as...

 

Possibly an odd firmware issue with a particular drive combination.

 

Does anyone have problems with CC 3.43 and overclocking?

I have installed CC 3.43 from XMG and with enabled OC in bios, the CC doesnt show the CPU OC option.
https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-ultra-17-id-xul17e21/

But Intel XTU show the OC options.

 

I had the same problem at one point yes. You might be able to still pull up the CPU overclocking menu by searching for the standalone component "CPU Overclocking" in the windows search bar. If your computer doesn't pull it up then the issue might be something else.

Not sure if this helps but on my end I just left it alone and didn't attempt to fix the CC menu, i just used the search bar if I needed to change OC settings on CPU. A few weeks went by after I ignored it and then I noticed the CPU Overclocking component magically reappeared in CC. Weird.

The other one time I had issues with CC not pulling up the CPU overclocking in v. 3.36 and it not showing up/working in windows search bar the only thing that fixed it for me was reinstalling the Chipset, Serial IO and HIDfilter drivers (in that sequence) that came with the computer and then reinstalled CC and it showed up again.

 

@Alex Zander
Thanks for your answer!

Any problems with 3.43 and BSOD? With 3.36 the X170KM-g was only stable with disabled OC in bios.

 

My issues and other people I've spoken to on this forum that had problems with 3.36 BSODing the system were because it would apply a pretty aggressive undervolting of about -130mv or so, right when you switched to "performance mode". There's a whole string of back and forth comments in this thread that mention it. I don't think 3.43 does that or I don't remember it doing that. Regardless, what I always do first thing after switching to "performance" is I race over to the undervolting section in the CPU OC and immediately put it to 0 if it defaults to a super low value for any reason.

If you're getting BSOD and the undervolting is set to a 0 or a resonable value (mine runs stable at -80mv, your mileage might vary based on silicon lottery) then obviously there's some other issue with the system. Most of the stuff in CC is pretty harmless when you think about it; fans, LED lights, macros keys etc. When CC BSODs the system I would suspect something with the CPU clock settings or the GPU (less the GPU though, most of the time when that's OCed too high it just crashes your display and then tries to fix/revert) - which leaves the CPU as the prime suspect.

Edit: I'm assuming you're running the latest BIOS and EC update?

 

Yeah, i have installed 1.07.04 (not the XMG 1.07.04RTR1). The XMG Bios dont work with my ram configuration.

Ok, when i start the CPU OC App from start it works. I enable OCin the bios today and have look how stable it will work with 3.43. With 3.36 i had a lot of crashes and lost a lot of project data...

I did some tests with undervolting and Intel XTU. Mine runs stable with -100mv. Lower i dont test.

 

@Alex Zander
You are right. Today it shows OC in CC 3.43

And its very stable. Yesterday 13 hours of work with lot of 100% CPU usage => no BSOD.

 

Oh nice! Glad to see that it's working properly for you now

FYI I used to run my undervolt at -100mv too, because I thought it was stable but the system would crash unexpectedly here and there every few days. If you still get the occasional crash try -90mv or even -80mv. My system has run with no problems for over a month now at -80mv.

 

You have to remember that silicon quality varies from chip to chip, some silicon will have better potential for undervolting than others.

 

Yesterday was a bad day with oc and undervolting... After around 16 hours of work, the X170KM-G restart two times with (work with low cpu usage). I dont see the any BSOD.
Four minutes later, the same again. Restart without any message. Now i have disabled OC in bios again and hope its better today.

Other point: how are your SSD temperatures? With idle fan speed (25%) the three NVMe SSDs are between 60 and 70°C (thermal pads are installed). I increased idle fan speed to 40% and now the temperatures are between 40 and 50°C. I think thats ok.

 

To add to this, the variance in 11th gen in regards to leakage, pull and heat generation is pretty substantial. I've tested several 11900k's on the desktop and they have varied running stock on the same settings from 53 under CB23 load up to 68 with identical settings.

On the lower end at stock, I've seen variances of 20w+ and temp differences of 6-10c+.

On the upper end of overclocking (5.3 all core), I've seen variances of 70w+ and temp differences of 20c+

Some handle undervolts better than others....a few couldn't even take -25 without borking.

I know some members would get a Silicon Lottery chip just to assure they had a better sample so their laptops would not only run cooler/quieter but have potentially more overclocking headroom.

 

In my laptops, I purposely switched away from Samsung NVMe's because they were running too hot to SK Hynix P31s as they ran much cooler with much better efficiency.

Give CrystalDiskMark a run with HWInfo running and see where your temps top out.

 

Thinking of picking one of these up from Sager as NP9672M-G1 but I'm curious to know how hot it runs doing daily driver tasks. I'd hope that the thick body and bigger fans would be able to keep it under 65C when I'm not gaming, and just doing normal things like say... using notepad, or even copying folders. Will this thing go into overdrive just to perform basic tasks?

When the fans kick on, do they have a high pitched ringing whine like the ones on the small body Clevo PB71DF2-G? That thing stayed at 80C no matter what I was doing, and the fan had a particular ringing sound that I couldn't tolerate.

 

Thats my temps during normal non gaming or high load, When i stress the CPU it will hit 93c highest peak however stabilizes at around the 87c mark, When Benchmarking the GPU stays a cool 59-66c, but when gaming the CPU is around 78c and the GPU is 62c.

This is with an i5 11400 and RTX 3070 though. As for fans i can hear them through my Virtuoso SE headset due to Mic Sidetone ton setting, however with that disabled i don't hear the fans. No headset being used 80% Volume seems to just mask fan noise out. Its not what i class as high pitched though.

 

Thanks that's pretty sweet!

I'd planned on i7-11700K personally, and 64GB ram. I do plan on getting your same RTX 3070, though. It's a similar setup to what I have on a much older thick body Sager, and that has been a real champ. Just updated

In general, do RAM and SSD meaningfully add to the temperature on their own, or is it a drop in the bucket next to the CPU and GPU?

 

I wouldn't think ram would add heat to the system nor would the ssd's which have heat speaders.

The GPU and CPU heatsink is just one big heatsink and keeps the system cool enough.

What I find funny about heatsink is that the CPU doesn't add much heat to the GPU considering they share the same heatsink.

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The vapor chamber on this beast's GPU does wonders. Too bad there isn't one on the CPU side.

 

And here the temps with i9-11900KF and RTX3080 @ office work

Offset of 10 to 15% fan speed reduce temps a lot. Fan speed is always min. 25%

You cant compare the Clevo with other notebooks. It has way more performance and when you need this performance, its loud. But you can control the noise with the different power modes in the control center. Less power => less noise

 

Its a shame that's for sure, however an extra 2 heat pipies might help a long way but requires a proper mod that.

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Edit: I wish that Clevo made a better Control Center though, its well clunky thats the only thing i can fault right now along with Ram support issues.

 

The CPU side is more limited by fin area.

 

Would anyone have the: max TDP (thermal design power), core speed, and memory speed; specifications on the: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 GPU with 16GB GDDR6 Video Memory GPU; within the NP9672M-G0 (Sager's Clevo X170KM-G)?

For reference, it seems that NVIDIA allows laptop manufacturers to have different: max TDP, core speed, and memory speed; specifications on the: NVIDIA 3080 GPU with 16GB GDDR6; EVEN if the cards are all branded the same as "NVIDIA 3080 GPU with 16GB GDDR6".

 

Clevo Nvidia RTX 3080
GDDR6 16384 MB
Clock: 1710 MHz
Memory: 7000 MHz
165 W TDP (150 W + 15 W dynamic boost)

 

Thanks crossshot for the information.
For reference, I am trying to compare the specifications you listed in comparison to the specifications Notebook Check lists for the: XMG Ultra 17 (XMG's Clevo X170 KM-G); as listed lnked below:
XMG Ultra 17: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Schen...-powerhouse-with-lush-equipment.534103.0.html

For clarification with respect to definitions, is the "clock" speed you list the same thing as the "core" speed Notebook Check lists on their XMG Ultra 17 specifications?

Also, is the "memory" speed you list the same thing as the "memory" speed Notebook Check lists on their XMG Ultra 17 specifications?

I am asking because while the values match for your "clock" speed and their "core" speed; the values don't match for your "memory" speed and their "memory" speed. Specifically, the "memory" difference is unusually high of: your 7000 MHz vs their 1750 MHz.

 

Memory has multiple different levels of clocks depending on internal chip clock or transmission clock.