*** Official Clevo W230ST/Sager NP7330 Owner's Lounge ***

Those temps seen very cool considering the 30° ambient. I wouldn't sit and play in a room that hot, yuck!

 

35c is lower than my idle temp. Idle is around 40-50c depending on the room temp. When I game, it reaches 90c. :|

 

Hmm, I must have been reading my temps wrong this entire time lol

 

they have a 120 watt for the W110ER... This has a bigger screen, 2 mSATA slots + HD slot, Wireless AC, the GPU is 50 watts, the CPU's starting around 47watts. Let's hope the guy above who had it shut off on him is because of a software issue and not a power/bios issue with power draw.

 

Posted this in the other thread as well:

I want to get the W230ST from RJTech but without an HDD, RAM and a wireless card. This is the wireless card I currently own and I would like to know if it is compatible with the W230ST:

Intel 6200: Amazon.com : http://www.amazon.com/Intel-802-11n...TF8&qid=1374006916&sr=8-1&keywords=intel+6200

 

It will work. Whether you will find a compatible driver or not, I don't know. I would just trash it and buy a new WLAN card. Not that expensive.

 

Are you sure it powered off and not just restarted? Were you able to switch it back on right away?

 

Cool, just ordered my NP7330 from XPC. Derek said that I should receive it sometime between 7/30-7/31 or the first week of August. My config: stock everything except: Intel AC 7260 wifi card, unbranded, no O.S., and 2 year Sager warranty coverage.

EXCITED! CAN'T WAIT!

 

^ Congrats man. Did you do rush build time?

 

That is sad to hear, i reckon a faulty unit, saying that i had the same problem with my W110 an it was really annoying, after all the benchmarks an temp checks, replacement fan, after everything i sent it back to reseller an they had to replace the motherboard because of a faulty GPU.

rlrh1996 do the benchmark tests with furmark an 3dMark an co, if no result send it to reseller to check GPU

 

Thanks! Nope, just standard shipping. Derek said that Sager's shipping the next shipment of 'em by the 23rd of this month, so they'll build and ship out our units asap.

So what kinda cases/backpacks are folks planning to use with their new babies? I'm gonna be sticking with the backpack I used with my m17xR3: http://www.brenthaven.com/macbook-cases/prostyle-bp-xf, cuz of unrivaled padding lol.

 

So are these laptops officially shipping in the USA now?

Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 4 Beta

 

Yep! That's right!

 

Well this is exactly what happened that time: I was playing Battlefield 3 and the next moment it was a blank screen. At first I thought it ran out of battery, but then I pressed the power button and it went through the BIOS screen, Windows logo, then desktop and I found out there was still 20% battery left.

Another thing is that the fan will rev up every few minutes or so for about 15 seconds, then go back to normal again. Is this something to worry about? I'm not sure since this never happened on my previous MacBook Pro.

I'm going to try running 3DMark when I get home later today and report the results and temps here.

Anyway besides this problem, I'm pretty satisfied with this laptop. Surprisingly, I found the keyboard to be very comfortable and the touchpad to be quite good, if a little small.
The screen is excellent, but I can't really comment on performance yet though.

 

Does anyone think the copper cooling upgrade from Xotic PC would be a good idea with this model? I guess in general it's considered a waste on these forums. I am really tempted to order one of these with a 4800 processor, 16GB of RAM, a 256GB SSD boot drive and a 750GB hard drive for storage.

I'd like to do as much as possible to keep the thing running cool, but fear the additional copper will either not help, or actually hinder air flow somehow.

 

The copper cooling, if you do it, just buy the heatsinks yourself. They cost all of $12-15. My experience is that they don't help that much without additional forced airflow over them.

My W230ST should be here TOMORROW!

 

I would never install the heatsinks myself, I dont care that much about saving $40 or so. I will either have them install them or I will skip the copper entirely.

 

Can you tell us what reseller you used and which options you picked? Is this with stock drivers and clock rates?

 

If that's the case, then just skip it.

 

Actually I mentioned this a few pages back:

Yes, the drivers and clock speeds are stock.

Do you think I should keep the Intel or swap to the Bigfoot?

By the way, I'm going to run 3DMark now and report the results and temps here.

 

What are the results?

 

Here are the results with A/C adapter plugged in and no battery:

The CPU is almost 100 degrees Celcius... Surely something to worry about?
Ambient temp is still around 30 degrees.

Should I run it again with only the battery?

Do you think I should bring it back to the store to re-apply the thermal paste?

 

Jeebus, that's hot. *This* is why I was thinking of getting the 4702 instead of the 4700 -- I've had laptops with iffy heat management before and I do **not** want to do that again.

 

The laptop shuts off when the CPU reaches 100degrees! That's basing on a few laptops that I have owned. Looking at the temps, it might be the copper or both the thermal pastes of the CPU and GPU. The GPU is still ok i guess.

 

So that's running both cpu and graphics card at the same time (75W + 47W = 122W)? Yep, that'll do it.

Reference: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 765M | techPowerUp GPU Database

(Graphics card generates more heat than the cpu, heating up the ventilation duct, but the cpu has the smaller surface area and therefore gets hotter relative to ambient, plus is further away from the cooling duct.)

You should be able to underclock the cpu or disable some cores/hyperthreading to get temps down, depending on game. It shouldn't bottleneck either way.

By comparison, my W110er undervolted hits 80 celsius under prime95 in 23 degree ambient temps (3610QM). Running graphics at full capacity would be enough to drive that up 15 degrees or so easily, but I don't own a game that will stress both cpu and gpu at the same time; I'd have to be trying to see how hard I can flog the cooling to hit that.

I'd suggest going the undervolting route first rather than underclocking; we're told the bios allows you to do that this time 'round.

It's safe in theory either way, because the CPU isn't exceeding thermal threshholds. High temps accelerate oxidisation (rust) but electroplating through overvolting seems to be way more important to premature hardware death, I'm lead to believe.

Wingnut's suggestion of framerate limiting to bring down the thermal footprint of the graphics card is also likely to dramatically improve the result. (Moreso than buying the 4702, at any rate.)

 

Looking forward to hear the results of undervolting.
Also, have you noticed any throttling?

 

I just contacted the Aftershock (the reseller) staff and they said they'll be dropping by my place tonight to have a look (Singapore is very small so this can be done easily).
Hope it gets solved... if it's actually a problem.

 

Interesting to see how people get on with their W230STs ^^

I'm sticking with the trusty old W110ER for the next year and a half and as a purely mobile system, I'm very happy with it (may well be upgrading screen to IPS too soon, which is exciting ).

This does look like a great system and I hope for you guys it doesn't get plagued with heat issues! I'm interested to see what you guys think of the size difference too? This instantly put me off when it wasn't 11 inches XD I love the idea of holding my laptop with one hand and it fitting in the smallest most ridiculous spaces. Of course, with more size, you get so much extra GPU power (2x more), many extra storage and screen options, but I'm still not sure if I'll enjoy the 13 inch form factor when the system is this thick?

 

How will you upgrade sceen to IPS? As far as I know, IPS predominantly uses eDP and the W110ER only uses single channel LVDS.

I'll definitely do a size comparison with the W110ER though.

 

Oh yeah, forgot to post 3DMark 2013 results:

My laptop got 2377 for the Fire Strike test.
Here is the link to the full results if you're interested: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 765M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4700MQ,Notebook W230ST

 

Performs remarkably similar to my tweaked HD7770M acer (with an old core 2 x9100 CPU) Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel Core 2 Extreme Processor X9100,Acer JM70

 

Well that certainly explains why your machine is shutting itself down. Yes, definitely re-paste and please let us know what your new temperatures are. The GTX 765M isn't too bad @ 80C but it could come down a few.

 

Depends on the size of your hand

I was considering the Clevo W110ER as a replacement for Acer 1810TZ for a while, but was put off by the lack of keyboard backlight, the mediocre screen and the seemingly cheap feel to it so I went for the Sony S13 and the 13" is noticeably bigger (especially given the bezel size, it should mount a 14" screen to justify the size). I added the external battery so (judging from the photos) it's thickness seem to match the W230ST now The external battery gives me a grip to hold it with one hand, but still it's a far cry from the 11" Acer bulkiness wise.. Funny thing is I went for it to have the full voltage CPU and dedicated card option, but I have yet to use the graphics card as I mostly play some 2D strategy games on the move. Oh, and yes, the Sony S13 probably has a worse screen than the W110ER in some ways, but I needed HD+ resolution and am planning to upgrade it with some IPS screen.

I'm eagerly awaiting for a detailed W230ST review to see what else I'm missing with my Sony besides the quad core and the 765M which is quite a performer..

 

Well a guy from Aftershock just came to check the laptop, and I'm not entirely sure what just happened, but what he did was to open the Control Center and set the power option to Energy Star (what does this do - disable Turbo Boost?) and move the laptop from a plastic board surface to a wood table (sorry if I reported a problem that wasn't a problem - in my defense, I did ask if a soft cover was to blame, though the plastic board I use at home isn't the same as the laptop cover I bring to school).

So far there have been improvements in the temperatures, running about half of 3DMark 13 brought CPU temps to a max of 79 degrees Celsius, though there was no re-pasting.
I'll run it fully and report the score again soon.

Also, he offered a few tidbits of information, saying that only the first batch of W230STs will have the display on my laptop, which is the Chi Mei one, and that production for this display has stopped, so subsequent batches will ship with another screen, which he described as not as good as this one, so it's presumably the AUO one? Don't take my word for it, though.
He also said that Aftershock (the reseller for mine) will offer a free cooling upgrade for everyone who bought the Aftershock XG13 before the cooling upgrade becomes standard, though he said it was an in-house and not manufacturer upgrade.
So... I'm just speculating but if a laptop needs a cooling upgrade as standard then it doesn't look like standard cooling is very good...
I need a little help here interpreting what he said... He said something to the tune that previously all Aftershock models couldn't be overclocked and overclocking was disabled, but in this generation of laptops users have the option to choose, and that mine may have been overclocked thus the high temperatures. Thing is, I don't know whether he meant really overclocking or Turbo Boost...

I'm going to run 3DMark now and report the results and temps again.

 

I'm looking forward for your benchmarks! Maybe your CPU was doing 100% work all the time? I know you can set it in power options.

 

Digital storm just released some new models and their 13.3 in model looks like the W230ST.

Digital Storm Veloce Gaming Laptop

What on earth is making their base price almost $400 above other reseller's? the 4800mq?

 

I've ran 3DMark '13 again after the Aftershock guy came to fix it and I'm pleased to say temperatures have dropped to a max of 74 degrees Celsius for the CPU and 67 degrees for the GPU.
Here is a screenshot from HWMonitor:

But the 3DMark score has dropped to 2288... what is the reason for this?

Here is my previous post, containing some information and questions:

 

See if you can get into the BIOS and verify if he disabled Intel TurboBoost.

 

What do you mean by free cooling upgrade? So the ones fitted now are not with cooling upgrade? So we would have to head back for the free cooling upgrade? Anyway, i have checked with him, my unit will be fitted with Chimei display.

 

You can ask Marcus I think I'm not entirely sure about what he said.

 

I think he may have disabled your CPU turbo boost.

This is your first run (High temp) :
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 765M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4700MQ,Notebook W230ST

Your second run (good temp) :
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 765M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4700MQ,Notebook W230ST

Graphics score seems identical, coz the GPU is still running at the same speed.

 

They use Copper heatsinks originally meant for desktop GPU VRAM and attach them to either the pipe or block of the heatsink.

 

The cooling upgrade is most likely this, but I cannot be sure because that guy lives in Singapore, and the reseller might do something differently.

 

The CPU seems not running at full speed, first run max voltage is 1.092V, the second run only max at 0.754V.

Edit:
First run, 3.3GHz

Second run, only 1.5GHz.

 

On the second run, it seems like the CPU just slowed down to conserve power. 3DMark happened to record the speed when that happened. Run the test again.

 

What about the CPU VID ?

 

I'm very tempted to wait for the Gigabyte P35K or P34G in Late Aug / Early Sept. They both seem to have dual fans exhausting the heat from 2 sides. This seems a better approach for such high wattage GPU/CPU systems in such small cases.

 

WOOHOO Just got word my unit shipped TODAY. It should be here on Monday.

 

Where you from Joeelmex? And where and when did you order and what configurations?

 

I agree. I wish they could create a body for this model. I really like the 13" idea with gtx765m in it.