*** Official Clevo W230ST/Sager NP7330 Owner's Lounge ***

Some benchmarks for you all comparing to my current desktop rig. Mine is the bottom laptop, Brinkers is another guy on this forum and I took his results to add in here. I'm running the latest nvidia drivers.

 

Mmm, are you guys by chance stuck in "quiet" mode ?

 

Anyone know of a way to get ps3 controller to work as wireless gamepad using motionjoy? I can get it running with the USB cable but no luck on Bluetooth. Motionjoy will not recognize the built in Bluetooth card. If not, anyone know of a good wireless controller that the laptop will recognize as a Xbox controller? Thanks in advance

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk 2

 

I know this is kind of a long shot, but does anyone here own both the W230ST and the W740SU? There's some speculation over in the W740SU thread that the W230ST keyboard might fit in the W740SU, finally fixing the horrible keyboard of the W740SU. If so, could someone try to see if they fit?

 

Is there a way to make the F media keys default, so I don't have to hit the function key with them?

I can't find an option in the BIOS for this.

 

No, they are fixed i'm afraid.

 

Also, how is it pronounced?

Saguer or Sajer?

 

Well, I assume another bluetooth card / dongle or a xbox wireless controller should work =)

Maybe derek from XoticPC could help, he's watching this thread. If not, you could maybe just check the dimensions and clips.

You already asked.

 

Would someone be aware of a keyboard with similar keys to ours, preferably cheap ? Or if anyone has a better idea !
I'd like to switch some keys from my current qwerty to azerty, so the plan is to buy a cheap keyboard with similar keys..
Already found the asus u36 but can't find it at a fair price, so the more options I have the best. Thanks =)

 

You can manually add your Bluetooth ID to Motioninjoy list, that way it can detect your card for sure. I did that a long time ago with my Intel 6235 card, but forgot where I got the tutorial. Just google around and you'll find it.

 

Hi,

i've testet now also the xtu tool with my 4700.

I have seen that some of you set the multipliers a bit lower than in my configuration

This configuration works stable, while bf3, wow and tomb raider.

Also I've testet prime95


In Wow the CPU stays on 3.19ghz - going up to 80's
In BF3 the CPU stays on 3.29ghz - hits 90°
In TR the clock is much lower - temp also low
In Prime the CPU starts with 2.99ghz (didn't find a method to get a higher clock) and throttles to 2.89 when it hits 86° and after 15mins 2.79ghz - the heat hits 90° after testing >15mins

The Laptop is on a cooling pad Cooler master x-slim.

Not repasted yet - what do you think - is it to hot for my configuration (undervolting)?

Thx - Quas

 

It does this with p95 on latest bios, god knows why

 

Horrible in what way?, Ttey`re probably the same keybord, the w230st keyboard is very shallow and has the same layout as an equivalent 740su.

 

At least from the reviews, the W230ST has a much more accurate, much more tactile keyboard. Not to say the W230ST has the best keyboard, but the W740SU is much worse. Once again, I cannot personally attest to this as I have not used both keyboards.

Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk 2

 

Remove it from the cooling pad and try without it. As I and others in this thread have experienced, having it on a cooling pad or angled will increase the temperatures as the airflow is tampered with..

Throttling isn't a good sign, I didn't get over 85° on my 4900 so you shouldn't be near that with the 4700... But, try without the cooling pad first!

 

Yup, really. If the angle is too steep, it tends to overheat extremely fast. But a small amount of angling, or a surface with nice ventilation (e.g. a holed one) would help quite a bit.
But your temperatures will be dependent on your ambient temperatures as well, so if you're living in a tropical country on the Equator like me with ambient temperatures of >30 degrees Celsius, you can't expect stellar temps.
P. S. Undervolting should either: 1) Reduce your temps, 2) Increase the maximum turbo boost clock rate you get to
At -85mV on both processor offsets and +3mV on the iGPU offset, along with 36/35/34/34 max boost clocks, I can reach 3.4GHz on 4C/8T at around 85 degrees or so? But it depends on the stress test. A less intensive one, like XTU, naturally will cause your computer to hit lower temps.
You should only repaste if you think that your temperatures for your CPU is much higher than others if you're using ICD/AS, or if you're using stock paste, which then it should help temperatures for both

IMO having used the W230ST's keyboard for report writing and other related tasks, in my opinion, the keyboard is about as good as the keyboard on my 2010 MBA. At least for me, it hasn't missed a keystroke, though I have had mistypes since I have had my laptop for less than a week and am not used to the layout. Regardless of my inexperience, I can still type an extremely long password (think >50chars, encryption keys) at full speed without missing a keystroke

 

Without the cooling pad it hits the 90° after 2 minutes.

It is flat on the cooling pad (that with the angle i've read also and tested it)

I'm from germany - the temperatures are about 18-20° in my living room.

I will test your configuration tonight - thank you.

 

Did you guys got these temps using prime95 ?
Which bios (eventually ME) version do you have ?
@jtthejam: 4800mq ?

 

Don't use a cooling pad. I just talked to Metabox about this and got the following response:

So, if the cooling pad is on no wonder you are hitting 90° try removing the cooling pad and just have it flat on the table without stuff in the way or under it.

I used Prime95 to test my temps with the max heat options.

 

Prime95 is a little overkill for this kind of notebook.

 

How a benchmark can be overkill ? It's used to show the limits, and does that pretty well even on 11" notebook..

He said it's worst without cooling pad.
I don't understand the logic behind Metabox's answer... any fresh air brought to the laptop is better than nothing, isn't it ?

I don't understand your 4900mq temps don't go over 85° either. Seems weird, is your cpu throttled at that temp ? Or do you live in artic ?

 

Prime 95 will simply max and cause most notebooks to throttle since they will go past the TDP limit which wont tell you much.

 

I think it didn't cause this one to throttle before latest bios update.. with a little undervolt at least. But I can't test it anymore =)

 

Oh darn, honest mistake I read it as "with the cooling pad". If you push air, no matter if it's cold or not into the device and it has nowhere to go, it will "blend" with the hot air that just gets hotter and hotter and it will be a higher "ambient" temperature in the casing. Now, I am just guessing and using a lot of "fancy" words but that is how I have understood it.

I live in Australia, it's about 25 degrees in the room where I have the laptop, might have been cooler at the time I don't remember. I'm getting it back from Metabox tomorrow, they replaced my screen as it had one dead pixel. Let me do some more Prime95 and see what temps I get. Also, I undervolted with -50mVA and it didn't throttle (0% according to the intel software).

Mine didn't throttle when I ran Prime 95 using max heat option (Large FFT is it? I can't remember..) I have undervolted a tiny bit though.

 

If so that's an incredible max temp out of a 4900mq @full turbo !
There's another point I'm having a hard time to understand: my 4700mq maxed out by prime95 almost hits the tdp limit, and my understanding is that it's the same tdp for the 4900mq... so I wonder how come yours won't exceed that limit !
Please let us know when you get it back =)

 

Nope, 4700mq. Just not using Prime95. And XTU can do a limited OC for you, anyway.
I don't use prime95, really. I don't see much use for it when my CPU usage normally will never come close to what you see on Prime95.
Arguably, an overclock/undervolt/both could be unstable after a long duration on Prime95, but stable otherwise while you're doing your normal stuff.
(For me, in order of frequency: photo editing, games, video editing, simulations)
I don't really think the bios matters anyway, since before I start CPU/GPU intensive things, I just crank up the fans to maximum speed.

Your temps are quite surprising, I must say!
Currently on my first time running Prime95 on almost stock (-75mV undervolt).
Temps have not exceeded 83 degrees Celsius at 2.99GHz, though it settles at 2.79GHz much like yours but at 79 degrees Celsius.
I'm not using a cooling pad, and I'm pretty sure air temperatures in Singapore have not ever dropped below 20 degrees Celsius.
By the way, my current TIM is IC Diamond, seems to work pretty fine.
I'm getting my temps with my laptop on top of a stool with a perforated top, but I really don't know if it makes much of a difference. There doesn't seem to be much of a difference when I hold the computer on the sides above the stool with my hands, though.
But don't tilt it anticlockwise, sends the temperatures up the roof almost immediately.

 

Thank you for your comments

@jtthejam
Could you share your configuration of your prime95 tests? So i could also try these configuration and will see how my temps are.
My config i've posted before on a picture.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo-reviews-owners-lounges/715556-official-clevo-w230st-sager-np7330-owners-lounge-222.html#post9382461

 

Hi All,

First caller, long time listener .

Been following this thread for a while and received my Metabox last week. Hadn't had a good chance to play with it much as something has been bugging me for days now and I'm sure I've read through all posts (maybe) and hadn't seen this brought up.

I noticed my wifi would disable after waking from sleep or restarting. After scouring forum after forum on Win8 and the Ac 7260 adapter and ensuring Allow the computer to turn off the device to save power is disabled in Adapter Settings and Maximum Performance is set in the Power Options, the wireless adapter would still disable and I'd have to run the troubleshooter to enable it.

I finally figured out the HotKey Control Centre Power Saver Mode that was causing this and testing on the other modes proved to resolve the issue. It was driving me mad for days till now so I thought I'd share as my first post.

It seems the Power Saver Mode is overriding the Windows settings.

Can anyone else confirm this?

 

I just tested this angle thing, I can run prime95 at any angle, temps won't change a bit.
So I assume you either have kind of a defective heatpipe, or there's some magic associated with mine.

I had a similar problem too, wifi was not disabled but went into "limited connection" thing.
After swapping card with a 7260, and swapping back to my stock n135, problem is gone.
I played a bit with installing/uninstalling drivers, I think that made the trick.
Can't tell if I only had the problem in power saver though, but that's very possible since I'm often running in that mode..


On a side note, I currently reach around 4h with basic usage / video playing.

 

Lemme continue running prime95 overnight first

 

Mmmmh.
I spoke (a bit) too fast... Temps actually rise after a few seconds if I hold it.... on its left side (vent hole facing the table)
While it's unlikely I'll ever use it like that, it's still worth noting

edit: actually as soon as it's past 45° angle

 

Hey guys, I just received my Sager NP7330 today. Everything is great except that the internet speeds are pretty bad on it. On my main computer and my phone, I get 20 mbps download, and 2.5 mbps upload, but on the Sager I only get like 6.5 mbps download, but the upload is okay. I bought it with the stock wireless card - is it really that bad? I installed the "Integrated Realtek Wireless 802.11 B/G/N + Bluetooth Combo Driver for Windows 7 32/64 BIT" from the Sager website. If it's just the card, could you guys recommend me a replacement? Thanks.

 

So yesterday my friend (an rMBP owner) saw my laptop for the first time. As soon as I booted it up he said "holy sh!t that's fast". Then he saw the screen: "WOW that's a beauty". I know in objective comparison the rMBP screen is probably better, but this made me happy . Another colleague of mine in fact noted down the specs and contacts of Mythlogic as he will buy a laptop soon.

Just wanted to share my joy

 

I can show quantitative data, but bottom line, I believe general consensus is:
- lifting the back end up *A FEW DEGREES* will *HELP* with cooling.
- lifting the back end up *SIGNIFICANTLY (LIKE > 15 DEG)* will DEGRADE cooling
- cooling pad will help marginally

In the end, just prop up the back the height of a water bottle cap more or less and you will see significant temperature improvements than flat or any other angle. Too much more or much less it won't matter much. I even cut holes over the fan intake and also completely over the CPU and GPU and it made ZERO difference in temperatures.

And I can say with good confidence that a proper repaste of your machine will improve temperatures as well.

 

Speaking of propping the back up, as I said before, I installed Laptop Lifts (found out about them from this very forum). I like the fact the lifts are a permanent solution, you don't have to remember to prop it up.

This is how I installed them:



This is how it looks like when it sits on a desk:




My temperatures have rarely gone past 80 degrees.

 

NOTE: Do remember that not all CPUs are created equal. I do know that some people's i7-4700MQs run at a lower voltages than mine, and some do need to run at higher voltages. YMMV. You may or may not need to decrease the undervolt / increase the Processor Graphics Voltage Offset.

Yesterday (but forgot to post)
Lemme continue running prime95 overnight first
Okay, it's stable (at least for >6hrs) at -80mV on Dynamic CPU Voltage Offset and Processor CacheVoltage Offset. Also, my processor graphics voltage offset is increased to +3mV for stability. (That's the only effective difference compared to the stock settings in XTU. Increasing max turbo clocks doesn't affect anything since the CPU won't clock up that high on Prime95)
Though if I do up the max turbo clocks by 200MHz to 36x/1C, 35x/2C, 34x/3C and 34x/4C, I decrease the undervolt to -70mV just to be safe
Hope it helps!
Here's my usual settings
I forgot to take a screenshot at running it on Prime95 at -80mV, here's an earlier screenshot instead running at -79mV. Doesn't make much of a difference though (both are stable after running ~6-7h on Prime95, but I guess I like 80 more than 79 xD

Heheh I don't know why either~
Try tilting it like 85 degrees anticlockwise (i.e. using it on your bed) but making sure the vent has space to blow out air.
(Yes I know, I'm a little mad )
I don't have a problem connecting to networks on my 7260-AC, hmmmmmm.... but I did have a problem with my wireless once when Windows broke the driver after an update and I had to re-install it.
That's rather queer, I guess.
But I've never left it on power saver xD
I'll try it later when I get home.

For me, I drain around 30% of my battery for 80 minutes of usage including photoediting with Rawtherapee, though I have never gone so long on basic usage to drain the battery much.
I do have an extra battery for when I will have to go on extended periods without the easy access to power that I do have currently

For me, tilting it between 5-15 degrees doesn't make much of a difference. I don't use a flat solid surface though, I use a flat but highly perforated surface.

--Sorry, dupe post--

 

Did some testing now, laptop is in High Performance mode with power plugged in. I ran Prime95 for a little while to get the temps up and while it ran I moved it to the cooling pad, without turning the cooling pad fan on, just having it at a 35 degree angle. See how the temps went from 83 degrees to about 98 and the cpu starts throttling. Then I remove it again and see how the temps go down.

I undervolted with -50 mVA and changed my fans to be passive instead of active.

This is what it looks like:

 

hey guys...

I'm a recent (got it last Friday) and proud owner of this np7330 that I got from LPC-Digital.com. I know that the factory ran it's own tests before shipping to me but I wanted to run some tests for myself to check the system out and make sure everything is working properly.

What tool do you guys use to test the LCD?

Also, I've run into some frequent BSODs for DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE. I'm not quite sure when or how it is happening to be honest. I've googled a little about it and I thought it had something to do with power settings.. or even the hotkey application. So I removed it. I still experienced the issue. Does anyone know what is causing this or what I can do to try and resolve it?

One thing.... I don't know if it's related or not.... but particularly with Skyrim that I installed from Steam. It would run the launcher then I would click on PLAY and it would just hang. I cannot end the process. When I try to shut down gracefully, it would just hang. I would have to hard shutdown to power it off. The same BSOD would randomly popup too. I don't get it. Running as administrator worked once or twice but very rarely will it work.

Any assistance would be great... I need to know if my laptop is faulty. I've played other games fine with no issues...

btw... I have not installed these drivers? Do I need them?

Windows 7 Intel Rapid Storage Technology Driver for Windows 7 32/64 BIT 12.5.0.1066 14-Aug-13 16382 KB
Windows 7 Intel Rapid Start Technology Driver for Windows 7 32/64 BIT 2.1.0.1002 14-Aug-13 1871 KB
Windows 7 Intel WiDi Driver for Windows 7 32/64 BIT 4.1.19.0 14-Aug-13 195293 KB

 

you can use Sharp Keys as a registry hack and remap your keys one by one to do FN + F1 etc and reverse em

SharpKeys - Home

 

I installed the latest divers then tried uninstalling and installing the latest by it didn't help.

Hopefully this sticks if I stay off the Power Saver Mode.

 

I just thought I'd also share some disk benchmarks. I used ATTO for these and I have a Samsung 512GB SSD and the Intel 525 240GB mSATA.

Here are my results:

Samsung 512GB


Intel 525 240GB

 

Okay quick update on undervolting
Observations:
When undervolting, I get higher clock speeds at a stable frequency by undervolting both the cache and processor, while slightly overvolting the graphics.
Apparently, at least for me, I can hit higher boost speeds (oscillates between 2.79GHz (3/5th of the time) and 2.89GHz (2/5th of the time), sometimes goes up to 2.99GHz) on prime95 as compared to simply undervolting the processor alone to -100mV, which is both unstable (at least for me) and has lower boost speeds. Here's a screenshot at -79.1mV, which is actually not my max stable undervolt (-85mV), but I just want to stay on the safe side
Not sure if setting max boost clocks of 36/35/34/34 has affected anything, doesn't seem to kick in unless it's the XTU stress test / normal gaming, though.
View attachment 102409
Environmental variables:
Temperature: ~23 degrees Celsius
Ventilation of area: Open, unrestricted. It's on a desk near
Air speed: 0m/s (ceiling fans are turned off)
Surface (if it matters): Hard, thermally insulating. Non perforated.
Angle: Approximately 5 degrees.
BTW, I'm not stress testing at home, but in school.
I'm considering trying on the stool with the perforated top and at a lower air temperature, and better ventilation. The earlier test was performed with like 0 ventilation, being in an rather confined area with no air circulation

 

I can't open your attachment

 

Will that help with Fn keys though? Usually those are hard coded and can't capture the key combination because it doesn't send a software key code.

edit:

Seems it will be unlikely:

Things that SharpKeys will not do:

Allow you to swap two keys with each other - e.g. you can’t have Q and Z swap places because the remapping code would get confused
Map multiple key presses to one key - e.g. it will not support an attempt to remap Ctrl+C to the F5 key
Map mouse clicks to any key
Support certain hardware keys that never make it to Windows - e.g. Logitech’s volume buttons or most Fn keys
Support multiple mappings for different users - the Windows key being tweaked is for an entire machine
Protect you from yourself - if you disable your DEL key and can’t login because CtrlAltDel doesn’t work now, you’ll have to reformat

 

Guys, I'm an early buyer, I pop in just now to say all of you:

REPASTE and PROP-UP the laptop. Really, do it. I just delayed it because i didn't have thermal paste. Now that I did it, I swear, temp are decreased more than 12 degrees. Follow the HTWingNut advices on how to apply the thermal paste and enjoy this laptop.

I add that limiting the processor with XTU can make you gain a few more degrees. I have a 4700mq and with -50mv with a 29x28x27x26 profile, under Prime95 I have hardly more than 72-73 degrees...

 

Made a video to "show off" the boot time

You can also hear the infamous fan burst when it boots up, for those who are interested

Clevo W230ST (Mythlogic Chaos 1313) - Insane Boot time with Windows 8 - YouTube

 

Looks like it didn't upload properly >.<

Hopefully this works this time
EDIT: It works
On a side note, some of my undervolts actually are stable under a few hours of stress testing but can actually crash.... while pretty much on idle.
Kinda weird, but forgot to mention :/

Did you try running Clevo's drivers? Or did you use Intel's latest version?

Hehehheh I never bother to prop up the laptop much my stool takes care of ventilation for me
But it's kinda stuffy having a computer below a table and with a bag less than 12cm away from the vent absorbing all dat heat.
My temps are always quite good, I would say. Besides, my Prime95 temperatures are at around 80 to 81 degrees Celsius at 2.7GHz to 2.9GHz(max boost)
Just did a 3DMark11 run on my OC'd/undervolted W230ST at +100MH Core / +400MHz Memory and 36/35/34/34 CPU boost clocks with -72.3mV (3s.f.) on both CPU and Processor Cache Voltage Offset (which is extremely stable, greater undervolts (-79mV) are equally stable at 36/35/34/34 but well you do dial back your undervolt slightly don't you? Just to be safe.)

Score: P4773
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 765M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4700MQ,Notebook W230ST

Note: Methodology of averaging temperatures: Start both XTU and Afterburner and then immediately start 3DMark11 to remove as much bias as possible. Also proceed to immediately screenshot both's temperature graphs directly after the conclusion of the benchmark within 10s.

Temps: GPU: Never went above 62 degrees Celsius. I'm not sure how to do an average of the temps, but in the duration of the tests (discounting the times the test was loading), the average temperature appears to be 60 degrees Celsius.
<-- A screenshot of the temps on Afterburner directly after the test. You can clearly see when the GPU was not being taxed while the test is loading
Temps: CPU: Kind of self-explanatory. Max temps: 83 degrees, average temps: 66 degrees Celsius. However, 69 degrees Celsius IMO is the average temperature during the test, if we choose to remove the duration of which the benchmark was loading between tests.

Environmental Variables: Oh, the hot, humid air of a room with poor ventilation in Singapore.
Ambient temperature: 28 degrees Celsius.
Air was stationary.
Initial CPU temperature: 51 degrees Celsius
Initial GPU temperature: 42 degrees Celsius (I started this relatively quickly after a benchmarking run*, hence the increased temperature over idle (40 degrees Celsius))
*Same OC/Undervolt, identical score: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 765M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4700MQ,Notebook W230ST

Specs: i7-4700MQ, 765M, 16GB 1600MHz DDR3 (pretty much all the relevant stuff)

You could shave even more seconds off the boot
Just set the timeout to zero.
Or you could disable some startup processes, naturally.

 

I thought that timeout comes in play in case you have dual booting? Anyways, thanks, I've disabled some startup stuff (Adobe update etc.), but I have a lot of stuff loading too, don't wanna load them manually haha.

The only "delay" that could be shorter is the delay between the black screen and the boot Logo (in UEFI mode) to show up, but I think that entirely depends on MB. Don't see any setting in BIOS that can help.

 

ah bummer!

 

Sorry, wrong thing.

This.
Anyway, you might want to take a look at this guide. Except the last suggestion
The SSD Optimization Guide Ultimate Windows 8 (And Win7) Edition | The SSD Review