Official Clevo PC50DD2 / DF1 / DN2 Owner's Lounge

System Configuration:

Microsoft® Windows® 10 Home (64-Bit) - Default
i7-10875H CPU @ 2.30GHz, 2304 Mhz, 8 Core(s), 16
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Max-Q Design
1TB XPC CERTIFIED M.2 GEN 3 NVMe SSD (RAID 0)
1TB XPC CERTIFIED M.2 GEN 3 NVMe SSD (RAID 0)
32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3200MHz Dual Channel SO-DIMM Memory *
Some other rando **** like copper cooling upgrade and thermal grizzly paste.
It's also undervolted, not sure if the settings I have messes with DPC latency.

 

I wonder what SSDs those actually are?

 

well, I meant more information in terms of things like drivers, OS, controllers, internal settings, stuff aside from pure hardware.

I didn't mean that you needed to provide more details on your hardware, the point was rather that not only would you likely have different hardware than him, but also probably different firmware as well.

As well, many other statistics could play a role in the latency numbers that he's looking at. I just meant that perhaps it might be hasty to write off the entire clevo model as unsuited for his needs, based only on your results of that test, since any number of factors could contribute in either case.

Good luck either way!

I'm no expert, just trying to say I'm not sure if these latency metrics such as DPC routine are comparable based only on hardware.

"A common cause for DPC latency is out of date device drivers and Windows processes that are not optimised correctly. Many processes/drivers are involved in streaming audio and many other processes/drivers can cause interruptions in the audio stream...

...Common problematic areas are:

- Network/WiFi adapters

- Card readers

- Other sound devices that aren't in use

- Bluetooth adapters

- Graphics card"

 

Lots of good, new info I had no idea about previously. Interesting stuff

 

Yeah, fair enough. Maybe I just have to get a model that looks good on the paper, see if I can make it work for my needs and if not send it back. Honestly I wasn’t aware, that every reseller flashes it’s own bios and firmware and stuff, but if they do, it Changes a lot. Thanks for the heads up! And thanks for providing all he information, @disp0sable.

 

With DPC you tend to have to be quite methodical in how you disable things to test for the culprit.

 

I was really tempted by this model until the new NVIDIA cards announcement today. In your experience how long will it take for Clevo to release a new model with these Ampere cards? I can still wait for another 6 months or so.

 

It will be Spring 2021, so six months.

Be aware that mobile Ampere will be heavily restricted due to lower tdp. Especially in thin & light setups the performance difference with the current generation will probably be not that spectacular.

 

I'd expect a decent jump still, I'd expect 8nm to be better at lower clocks for power efficiency.

 

If you had to guess, what would pricing be like seeing the desktop versions being much cheaper?

 

That I don't have any info on, it really depends on the way they go with it.

 

finally the review on notebookcheck. for now only in German but I guess they will translate it soon:

https://www.notebookcheck.com/Schen...em-schlanken-kompakten-Gehaeuse.488490.0.html

 

I was scared when I read it has a Panda LCD panel. The Asus TUF A15 has the worst 144Hz panel (50% sRGB, 250 nit, 23 ms response time) out there which is also from Panda but the Clevo fortunately has a different model panel with good colors and response times (92% sRGB, 300 nit). Looks like this will be my next laptop, with the 2060.

 

Any tricks to improve sound quality? The NBC review seems very positive about the speakers but mine sound like a dog, even after fiddling with the soundblaster options.

 

English review now online: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Schen...formance-in-a-slim-compact-case.492805.0.html

 

Hey @BrightSmith what throttlestop settings did you settle on? After tinkering since I got the machine, I seem to only stabilize with core/cache at -92.8, turbo rate limits 46-49 (max), PL1: 70. PL2 disabled and PROCHOT at 8 so it never goes above 94 degrees high intensity. Anything more than -92.8 undervolt and I BSOD but cinebench is at 3861.

Think I should keep tinkering? Any suggestions?

 

The core can usually go lower than the cache.

 

I've mostly used as a silent office laptop with the occasional game, so it's mostly on CPU core & cache -100.6 mV @ a conservative 45W TPL

Performance mode setting in Throttlestop is CPU core -125, cache -100.6, TPL at 52W, which is a nice balance between power and heat imho

 

A generell question:
Mentioned before that my fans are humming and vibrate a little bit. Now figured it out, it is the GPU fan, especially when it spins at slow speed.
Have any of you experienced similar issues?

@BrightSmith

Hey man, how exactly do you keep your Laptop silent?

What profile do you use in Windows?

I use both Throttlestop and the Obsidian Tools and Silent profile there, undervoltet both, core and cache on my i7 10875h with -80. But fans still spinning up and down and on Idle sometimes 75 degree. I already applied grizzy kryonaut...did not help much

Sorry for all these quesions and thanks a lot in advance!

 

Well, what should I be looking for?

Got a brand new laptop from Sager last week, still great, but a couple "sleep crashes" have again occurred, so it is definitely something software related. This is a whole new laptop than the last one that was doing it. So far, the same thing but less frequently. I leave this laptop on 24/7 and twice in the last several days, it would refuse to "wakeup," the screen would be black and the keyboard would light up as if the computer would wake up. However, the screen will not come on, I even try to remote login and it asks for my credentials, but it does nothing. I have all sleep/hibernation options turned off completely. The only way to get the computer to work is to hold the power button down and reset completely.

 

So sleep is disabled but it "goes to sleep" anyway and becomes unresponsive?

 

Go to events, system, and check the errors.

 

Depends. When watching a movie, using Word, or browsing it's perfectly silent. You can use Obsidian's Silent preset, or you can put your Manual preset to a constant 70 or 80 or so from 0 to 71°C to further avoid spinning up and down.

When gaming you can't keep it silent.

I use a custom profile which delivers high power/performance on AC and low power/performance on battery.

 

The viewer of events is called event viewer, search from the start menu.

 

Hello Everyone,

I just wanted to contribute with my experiences with a Clevo PC50DN2 | Intel Core i7 10875H 2080 super MAX-Q | 15” metal-case 1TB Samsung 970 Evo-Plus, 32GB 3200MHz (1x32GB DDR4) Dual Channel Kingston HyperX and Linux.

The decision process

I’m using Linux and that's why this post is maybe more interesting for people who are in a situation like I was, as I decided to by a new laptop and had no idea about the Linux-compatibility of laptops on the market.
I wanted to have a very powerful laptop, because I use it for programming, content creation like video-editing, gimp and so on. So I used the typical channels to get some information about, what could be the best machine for Linux.
I’m from Germany and here is Tuxedo the company for computers with Linux. The deeper I got into it, I understood, that many companies like Tuxedo exists (system76, XMG and so on) and even Clevo, with more or the less the same laptop-models. On the web the discussion is, that they resell the machines from Clevo, so the question is, why don’t buy directly from Clevo? The support of Clevo deny any collaboration with Tuxedo.
At first, I wanted to have as many cores as possible. The Ryzen 9 3950x seamed to be the guy for me. But than... I doubted, the disadvantages of such overpower would be worth the trouble: more heat, noisy fans, less style because of thickness to lead of the heat, the Ryzen would have no own GPU, so it would use the dedicated graphics-card all the time and that would be needed to be cooled down. But I like to have a quite laptop if I only search on web, doing office or not so much power-intensive things. Experts (on youtube) always come to the conclusion that 8 cores are fare enough for what I will use my laptop, and to be future-proof for the next 5 or 6 years. I kissed the Ryzen goodbye and come back to Intel and so I found the Clevo PC50DN2 Core i7-10875H 8 Cores (16 threads).

The i7 has its own GPU so a hybrid-mode would be possible, save power and noise.
At that time I didn’t know about system76, where the model name is Oryx Pro (see some posts above, somebody linked a youtube review). But I’m sure I would have had thought about to by from system76, because of the coreboot (a free bios) which system76 flashes and delivers the laptop with.

I called Tuxedos support (at the time I was on the Ryzen-trip) and later Clevo too. Both very friendly and helpful and competent. But Tuxedo did not have had that laptop in its lineup with that specs, so I ordered from Clevo. At that point I was not sure about the compatibility with Linux, because it must have a reason why Tuxedo sell the nearly same machines with a higher price. Maybe they use a own Bios/UEFI as well, I don’t know. They told me, that's corporate secret.

Clevo shipped it very quick and what should I say…?
I love that thing. I just love it. I used a MacBook 2015 , 4 cores but no dedicated graphics card (I was running Archlinux on it) and that is a nice machine, but, that Clevo-Thing. It’s a great jump and of course the machines are not comparable (a comparable MacBook with 8 cores (you would need to take a i9) and similar specs would be 1000Euro more.

Linux-compatibility

Now I installed Archlinux as well on it and it runs like a charm. The compatibility is great. As an Arch-user you are common to do everything on your own. You don’t expect that something runs out of the box, and that's the thing here as well. But, for me everything is working very smooth.

My setup is: systemd-bootloader, a btrfs-partition for the OS, a xfs-partition for home and a separate efi-partition. I use the xfce-Desktop and run the Nvidia with optimus-powermanager in hybrid-mode. The laptop usually uses the Intel-GPU and you can run if necessary programs against the Nvidia.
Perfect!
The blender-benchmark with the six scenes took about 17 minutes. I can’t tell nothing about how it would be for gaming, because I don’t play games.
Multi-touch-gestures, keyboard-backlight and keyboard-keys working after installing the needed driver. I don’t know how its on other Linux-distributions, but on Arch you get what you need to work. Disregarding hibernate: The only thing I have problems with is the hibernation (suspend to disk). The laptop seems not to support it. It only powers off. That’s a pity, but I don’t know what the problem is. It don't write the ram to the swap. Maybe it will work in future, we will see. Suspend to ram works as expected. Maybe something that would work with the coreboot-bios of system76 or will work after a kernel-update or bios-update of Clevo in future.

With the program “powertop” I’m getting a very quiet and power-efficient laptop. If its interesting for anybody I would do some idle-tests for battery-life.
The sound is similar to the MacBook after using equalizer-settings of “PulseAudio-Equalizer”.


Fazit: I love it.

 

I'd like to see a 4800H and 2070 super (or the future replacement) combo, it could really do well to help sort the issues you saw.

 

Yeah, I knew where to look, I just didn't know what to look for. Could it be my undervolting using the Windows Power Settings? I had both my first new Sager set to max 85% of the processor and that was when it was going into the problems of not waking up. When I got my new one, I set it to 90%, it worked good but still did the fail to wake up a couple time. I have it at 95% now and so far so good for about a week.

Admittedly, I don't quite understand Throttlestop, Obsidian, etc. when it comes to setting up undervolting.

Al I want is to keep the fans from going roaring loud when I'm using my computer for internet surfing, word processing, remoting into my desktop from work, etc. I rarely game, so that's not an issue, but when I do, I plan to completely turn off any undervolting and I don't care about the noise a fan can have.

 

You shouldn't use power plan underclocking (if that's what you mean by setting it to 85%) when using throttlestop. You can set everything from within throttlestop through fivr and the tdp settings.

 

I haven’t even installed throttlestop, I just have all the obsidian software, which I haven’t learned to optimize yet.

 

Throttlestop will make everything better. You can make up to four settings for example for full power noisy gaming, for quiet office work, for battery, or for something in between.

 

Definately, you want to be setting voltages and clocks rather than power plan limits.

 

Henlo every one.
After 3-4month of INTENSIVE usage ican say that is a pretty powerful, well built machine (10875h, 32gb 2666, 2070super maxQ) . I love it, also the screen is incredibly good for a "gaming supposed pc" (calibrated with a spyder 4 and says: 97,1% srgb - 68% AdobeRGB - 72% DCIp3).
I edit perfectly 5.7k video on Davinci resolve and an incredible amount of BIG raw photo files.
Now the question is: the first month in full energy saver profile my battery lasted about 4h, now with the same profile is REALLY lucky if i get about 2h of battery. How it its possbile?
I also setted up one of the profile in Throttlestop which mantein the cpu not over 2.2ghz all cores and everything is on full energy save profile.
How long last your PC50DD2 batteries?
Thank you

 

@Luca Brunetti
Cannot speak for the battery itself, but I have another question. Where did you buy your laptop? Since most PC50DD2 I have seen only ship with a RTX 2070 max q NON super.

@BrightSmith
sorry, was not active for a while here. But still thank you a lot for your response to my questions before, was quite helpful!

 

btw how can I enable that my RAM runs with 2933mhz instead of 2666 on my i7 10875h, which supports up to 2933? I have actually 3200mhz Moduls but they only run with 2666. I guess somewhere in bios?

 

Does anyone know where I can find the "Wake on USB" or "Wake on LAN" set up on these? I can't seem to find it in the BIOS

 

So, I understand that I cannot buy any m.2 memory to expand my storage, but I don’t understand what kind to buy. I want to eventually have 4tb of storage on my computer running across two m.2’s (x2 2tb sticks)

I currently have the 2tb stick that I bought factory from Sager Notebook. It is a WD WDS200T2B0B. As I understand, that one will not work with another stick, right? I would need to another type of 2tb storage to make it work with another stick?

I apologize for my ignorance on this, just upgraded from older technology.

 

You can use any combination of storage that you like in terms of size and have them as separate drives. The only considerations come in if you want to combine the storage into a raid array where getting identical drives is important.

 

Okay, cool. So I can just buy any m.2 2tb and chuck in next to my current one. Great to know! Not doing any raid arrays or anything. I was under the impression I needed similar sticks for it to even work. Thanks Meaker!

 

I think my confusion stems from this statement under the specifications.

Storage

One M.2 2280 SSD, SATA / PCIe Gen3x4 interface or Two M.2 2280 PCIe Gen3x4 interface (RAID 0/1)

 

Both need to be PCI-E if you want to run both but that's it.

 

So I can’t plug a PCI-e next to my current Sata?

And I can’t buy another Sata and plug into next to my current Sata?

This is what is confusing me.

 

Never realised they made a SATA 2TB, yes 1x SATA based OR 1/2 PCI-E drives from those specs.

 

Hi folks, I'm looking to purchase a PC50DD2 (Defiance VII) via PC Specialist in the UK. I'm struggling to verify whether the 2060 is the 115W / 10DE-1F15 version. Is anyone with the 2060 model of this Clevo chassis able to confirm if it is the 115 watt version please?

 

I've ordered a few days ago the Clevo PC50DF1, 15,6" 4k Display, 32 GB Ram, 1 tb Samsung Evo Plus Nvme, RTX 2070 Max -Q can't wait! i'll post my impressions of this laptop soon

 

What are everyones R23 scores?

 

Please do

 

Been about 6 months since I purchased my Clevo PC50DD2 so I did my first repaste. Didn't do any extensive testing but it looks like the GPU max temp dropped 3-4C and the CPU max temp dropped 10C when running Firestrike. Didn't compare the average temp or anything.

Pardon my ignorance, it's been about 4 years since I've purchased a notebook and I noticed that this notebook has a lot of thermal pads. Tried to leave all of those alone. Will those ever wear out?

Around the GPU chip there is a black trim/border. Is that a thermal pad or just something to protect other components?

I also noticed that Clevo has posted updated drivers as of 11/28/20, just an FYI.

 

So long as the thermal pads look in decent condition they still will be (not crumbling)

 

So, here we are, it arrived two days ago. It's a real beauty, i like the metal chassis and the feedback of the keyboard as well, compared to my old macbook pro mid 2012. The Amoled Samsung Display has rich colors, high contrast and bright lighting. I find a little annoying the fans which start spinning suddendly even if i'm just surfing on the web. Maybe i should check the fan section in the CCC or is it better to buy Obsidian Fan control? I didn't have the chance to run a benchmark though, but the first impact is definetly good. I will proceed with undervolting soon, finding the right compromise.

 

Some windows background tasks can be a bit hungry or a program could be spiking.