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it is continualy bouncing between 2.9 and 3.9

so i had just looked at temperature which was always good but something in a setting somewhere has the boost frequency set to go up and down regardless of temperature.

and yes i see people have it stay at 3.9 that is the goal.

3890 is where mine is some setting somewhere is wrong someday i hope ill figure it out.

in reality i dont have any taxing cpu software. witcher 3 at ultra goes over 90 fps at 1080.

If i put in a uhd screen though i believe it will matter


as far as the 9750 im sure it will come to market like 10 percent or less better than an 8750 but i bet for some reason it doesnt have this power management headache

 

it doesnt list the battery stats of the new model so I dont guarantee that. as a matter of fact it might even still use sata 2.5 inch but it doesnt list it anymore.

its keeping with its gs 65 clone ness to get rid of that sata 2.5 I was thinking one day id buy a 4 tb sata ssd but i wont. im literally gong to get an adapter on ebay and put the 660p 2 tb i already have in it in sata someday and replace it with a 4 tb pcie nvme. sata has just about reached eol.

and anyone in the world wo

 

ya thats what i have do all the same benchmarks

i also put here the razer 90w 2070 maxq and the tong fang 115 w max p vbios

 

At uhd the cpu will ne more limiting ans likely have to feed less data to the GPU. The ‘problem’ is the 1080p resoluition, it is a bit low for the current generation GPU’s, that’s why the CPU have to work hard to keep up.
At a higher resolution the CPU doesn’t matters that much as with 1080p.

For the i7-9750H, I would be surprised if the power and heat problems are solved in a single refresh.
The update and enhancement will probably be the updated clockspeeds with the same sizzle as now.
The limit for 14Nm die’s is reached.

 

OK, after iGPU, audio, and clevo control center update. I can maintain 90% of time 3,9ghz during a 10min of anthem. And 100% of time if I set PL1 at 50w. I précise that I use a - 130mv on core and cache.
I think that the CCC in pcspecialist that I used was completely out of date and generate some incompatibility with last windows updates.

 

That are very good results. Given the form factor I think that is the max you will get out of it.

 

Anyone used that 115w bios yet? Does it perform like the normal 2070 mobile?

 

Why would you do that in such a thin laptop? It is 35W more than now.
I presume you need a 230W power supply and flash your bios to accept this first.

 

But of course, a 180W brick wouldnt be able to supply enough power. Maybe with a cooling pad and liquid metal, it could work

 

yes actually someone did the same for the 107 maxq

it does need another powersupply

is the 2080 maxq a 230 or 240 watt one?

 

If you succeed and there is a step-by-step guide, I will also do it .

 

the current results are that the clock speed goes exaclty like it says in the 1800 to 2100 range

yet the 3dmark score goes lower but not too much

no sort of heat problem at all.

the 90w bios on the other hand makes the clock speed stick at 1000 and go down

there is no clevo branded 90w bios its a razer or an asus

a new power supply could make a difference or itcould be locked out in bios i dont know.

this is a tongfang vbios try to ask someone for a clevo branded one

use gpuz, switch it from igpu to nvida
click the arrow. upload t to tech and show us the link or zip it and share it in a message


ask around for a clevo 115 w maxp vbios

 

2080max q has the same TDP as 2070max q so you get a standard 180W power brick.

 

The cooling is basically the same so same TDP setup yes.

 

someone here already did the 2080 90w razer maxq but flashed back cause it stuck at one speed.

it could be a branded thing in some clevo software that it wont cooperate with a vbios that says razer. no idea at all youll have to search he did that.

theres users here who did this with the 2070 i think his name is trill till or something not remembering

 

so the power supply you need is either the clevo one or a alienware one. i was asking though, is it 230 or 240?

the one for the maxp is it 230 or 240? theres two different watts im just wondering.

the alienware is 240 and the clevo is 230 i believe i have not checked. its somewhere in this flashing a 1070 maxq to 1070 maxp in a clevo and it works and needs a power supply.

thats all i know going from memory.

even though the 90w works without it, it doesnt work. thats the info i have so far.

 

https://www.overclockersclub.com/guides/how_to_flash_rtx_bios/

 

Pretty sure flashing BIOS voids my warranty so I'm not gonna try anything

 

Yes firmware modification unless an official update will yes for obvious reasons.

 

I think Jarrod has done all three RTX cards available to the P9x0Ex range now.

I got a P970EF (2070mq) from GenTech to replace my 5+ year old 15.6" P650SG (980m). My impressions pretty much match Jarrod's. Other than extremely sucky speakers and noticeable (but not terrible) backlight bleed, I really like the laptop. Fans are about the same volume at both low and high settings as my P650SG. Power brick is nearly half the size, chassis is thinner, and only a little bit wider and longer, and the same weight. The most noticeable difference is the screen size, which is very nice.

I was going to take some pictures, but I had to send it back due to a couple bad pixels (glad they had the free 30-day pixel warranty promo). Maybe when I get it back.

 

I should recieve my P970EF thursday.
Always doubting if I made the right choice...
Hopefully it is quite good.

 

where is that in writing?

i mean firmware from clevo iswhat youre saying is official. Nvidia is who makes the card, the owner is the purchaser. its official its made by nvidia lol. Wouldnt make it to far in court I own the hardware. this is nvflash, nvidia makes this software to sell its stuff

why i say that, is im positive sager does not say that anywhere in writing if they do thats a class action lawsuit. Its a small company but of course Dell or whatever cannot void a warranty because the owner updates bios.


whats most important though is that flashing it back gives no sign that firmware has been changed. Sager could try to make some inference to an anonymous forum post as proof ( which is illegal in the first place if they proved it this would be a small claims case so it would be anyones judgement i guess)
but thats it. flashed back its as orignal.

 

a lot of us got that same one im overall very happy.

I think most of us have some sort of power throttling with the cpu other than that it runs cool and well

 

i dont want to get into a debate, youre totally wrong here with literally millions of cases


https://www.google.com/search?q=can...rome..69i57.7775j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

it is a rare case possible that you flashed a gpu and could not flash it back to orignal when rmaing this

were going on literally millions of gpus hundreds of millions now. millions of vbios flashes. and no legal voiding of the warranty.

I doubt its happened many times in the history of sager. Or in life yet also it must have also happened its a big world. if the bios is the same, what sort of case do you even try to make that it was even flashed?

The end of the story is that flashing the vbios does not void the warranty.

A criminal attempt at voiding a warranty for bios flashing ( that they have no proof or evidence of mind you???) has been attempted by small shops i can see in examples, but it goes nowhere and if ANY of these shops do that lets call them out.

it doesnt suprise me that a company would rather you didnt.

If you ask alienware this same wuestion as obviously people ask this every day..... they say no absolutely not but give lots of advice not to. Thats what you need to probably research

 

Let's not be silly here.

Flashing firmware to drive the motherboard beyond spec is going to void your warranty.

That much should be obvious.

It's like expecting a car manufacturer to honour your drive train warranty after having in tuned to produce more horsepower than stock.

 

how is that again??? can you explain how you could not flash it back and just turn it in for warranty?

 

meaker that statement is literally silly

try to follow the first 1000 cases here

https://www.google.com/search?q=can...rome..69i57.7775j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

Good luck flashing it back when the vrm is fried, also what you are describing is fraud, maybe not something you want to be advertising in public.

 

i mean heres the answer here


Yes & No.

It would if you rma'd the card with the modded vbios on it.

It won't if you flash the original vbios back onto the card before rma'ing it.

How are you creating a custom vbios for your card?

so even though its possible this is silly. It is hilarious dont even say it

 

ya im not sure can you show me vrm fried.

Heres the problem a crazy fear of some like damage but theres no real example of this happening to anyone. arent there literally like 1000s of people here with modded vbios? mr fox prema whatever

I feel more embarrased telling the public something thats false meaker. IF there was some sort of damage that could be done

you work at sager is there an example of someone who " fried a vrm and couldnt flash his gpu back" that youve seen just be honest, like one?

I mean youre saying something happened it probably has somewhere its more like the unknown. I want to say in public to everyone theres nothing wrong with it as far as I know. no sort of negative story im aware of maybe meaker does have experience.

we have 1000s of clevo owneres here with modded vbios. Theres no known possibility of damaging anything no example yet but it IS possible im not an engineer.

ya i mean multiple posts might annoy some people but its definitely not a reason to bother a moderator it adds to the activity of a group makes it alive. I wouldnt waste anyones time and get over it lol, i dont want to laugh at you but get over it. but ill try to combine them for you if you say thanks.
If I have time I do if I dont i send out info that helps people thats my first goal here
my posts are like in the category of a plus excellent and helpful and probably made sagersales so your welcome, or sager sale your welcome although yours are great too youre hired. and the ability to mod the vbios will make sager more sales, and wont even damage one for what it matters you are very off on something but shouldnt suggest anyone do it too i totally understand. your advice is actually dont buy it
laptops with technical fact checking owners are what the people shopping are looking for and how many chatters ended up getting the same laptop i did?

if you are really annoyed by multiple posts and not combining and want a long post
i hear you ill try if i have time, if i dont i wont dont need to say it again. it
Im sending you a pm to try to be more civil. you and I are helping people buy sagers actually just as a service you may actually be getting paid Im actually a volunteer but im definitely always going to advise people to do whats best for them. I dont want to personally disresepect you at all Im sure you have tons of info I could never have. But we could come to loggerheads because youre employed and cant be as 100percent honest.

Ill apologize if I was rude to you I am focused on the facts always and trying to pass them off. If there is indeed some sort of sign or damage to flashing like you said I cant verify it

 

Firstly can you at least try not to post multiple posts one after the other? It spams up the forum, I have asked you nicely before and will have to start reporting posts.

If we discovered you had flashed modded firmware on the card (the physical damage to the vrm is usually fairly obvious as a sign) your warranty is voided.

We have a warranty page up with clear terms for everyone and it's very clear.

 

if thats ever happened in the history of sager

lets give this possibility a range in the case of one in a million at best. I put forth its happened 3 times ever in life. some sort of flashing, then the laptop breaks and cannot function to flash back.

i hear you its possible Id be pissed because the flashing caused no damage but sager is pretending it does or whatever

 

I'm not going to discuss individual cases here but this comes down to taking responsibility for your actions.

If you modify the firmware and push the vrms 20, 30, 40% beyond stock in a thin and light machine at the very least you are causing accelerated degredation. The whole machine is going to run hotter and if that causes you to have issues (and it can) then that was caused by your actions.

I'll repeat what you have described is fraud so not only is it morally wrong it's also illegal.

Now as for Sager persuing people for this kind of action then no, that's not going to happen unless something ludicrous goes down but while modding is fun there are certain things you need to accept that come with it.

If you do get away with it then that hurts our bottom line and it will make it difficult to provide the choice and value you get now, everyone ends up paying for it.

 

meaker is a rare long time laptop industry worker with a rare skill set almost no one has.

at the same time....\

theres 100000 alienware owners who flashed their vbios and turned their laptops in for warranty. dont abuse your laptop

I couldnt live in the charade that flashing the vbios voids your laptops warranty for anyone. I cant. I have to respect everyone I dont want to disrespect anyone, but I cannot also lie to anyone.

it also wont sell laptops cause people will ask here and at the msi group where they all say no so they think theres some sort of difference. honestly theres sales going on here right?

It could theres things about it Im not an expert on but odds are it wont.

definitely dont if you dont know what youre doing


everyone thank meaker for his great information that helped us choose clevo sager a great resource to this group


I strongly feel that in order to sell 2070 mq laptops without a discount sager clevo is gonna have to let someone somewhere with money buying a new laptop know, that vbios modification is possible.

and for what it matters resellers will tell you that no question so its even a weird weird argument meaker and i have just had because if you cant change the vbios on your sager, hes not getting christmas bonus.

and sager sure isnt losing any money from people doing it at all like we said 3 cases maybe 4 and none of those caused damage. haha but if you cant make your laptop work the same as the razr sagers going to lose millions in sales to razr.

Its just a confused viewpoint that needs a little more meditation imo

there definitely is not a rash of gpu laptop damage going on from changing vbios ... like its been going on for years no damaging of vrms not a problem problems are rare possibly in the realm of almost none

im literally not even aware of any lpatops with gpu damage from vbios modifications like one example. honestly the last generation of nvidia gpus the 1070x was pretty well designed, but it seems the 20xx is literally too cool like mine runs at 40c 50c

honestly id have to pursue some sort of test to even get the gpu hot theres actually no possible heat problem with a 2070 even the max p has no heat so thats some out of date idea that more power is going to make it run too hot

 

elukroniks tongfang has their new 9750 machines out for sale and they have a 1660 gpu option

so im not sure who sells the clevos first but thats super interesting.

how does it compare to a 2060?

i have to be honest with you mr meaker

if flashing vbios voided warrantys on sagers

Id tell everyone never to buy a sager thats bizzarre because theres a whole msi community to teach people what to do its not even potentially damaging vrm thin gobbledegook garbage aside

andid worry about what a warrnty from sager is worth . Its a terrible thing to say whether true or not id keep it to myself in public

theres some sort of inference that vbios settings could increase heat but it doesnt

telling people this is bad in any way is terrible as a rep from sager honestly it probably cost you many sales. with no link to a case or reality or a theory

 

Come on, the VRM's for the GPU are specced to deliver 80W to the GPU (in case of our 2070mq), they will be a bit oversized to work in as much conditions as possible to due extra ambient temperature etc, but they will never be suited to deliver 90W (other 2070mq) or 115W for long term (regular 2070) and especially not in hot areas.
The cooling is not foreseen for that, issues will maybe not visible in the first weeks/months but degradation will occur.

The hardware is yours which is true, but if YOU modified the hardware (firmware is part of the hardware) that YOU should take responsability. You can say that you fried the GPU and ask for a repair (not under warrenty) or you buy something else.

It's pretty much the same for my car, I have a company car (very cheap in Belgium) and they are CO2 limited (so also power) and mine can only deliver 150hp. The same car with almost the same engine can deliver 190hp, i say almost because the intercooler, turbo and firmware of the engine are different. If I choose to tune the car I have 2 possibilities, accept the risk on my own or buy warranty at the tuner. You don't bother the car vendor with problems caused by the tune.
On the other hand I coud have choosen a smaller car with 190hp but I've choosen for the bigger, better build quality and gave up the power.

 

thats bizzare the hardware is exactly the same


115 watt or 80 watt it is the same.

it is not modified there actually isnt sofware out that modifies vbios for turing so you just use the vbios for another machine using the same hardware.

running it at 115 watts if it runs at 50c will not make it run at 80c. and 80c isnt hot either.

Thats some basic thermodynamics. even if in theory you could run the desktop vbios, which is slightly different hardware but runs at 230 watts and is very similar, in theory

230 watts in theory

would still not have enough heat to make my laptop run at 80c this is a impossibility. If it were running at 70 sure. the vrms will have no degredation or damage. there was no case i heard of last year

a different machine could nodoubt but the ones that ive seen arent close.


so you can look up the difference that the 115w vbios, of this exact same hardware uses, and its just a different range of clocks it literally is the same thing exactly and it runs no hotter.

im positive they will one day sell a version of this laptop or related that uses the 115 watt 2070 and 2080 why not? hte maxq this generation is just marketing.

Im honestly not aware that the 115 watt version much less the 90w version has any added heat. In my case even if it doubled the heat it wouldnt "add stress to vrms"

but it does use more power it probably makes the temperature go up 5c if it stays in boost longer. I wouldnt know exactly til i tried it. The gpu is so far away from thermal throttling Im not awareof any 2070 gpu laptop that CAN thermal throttle it seems like they were all made to upgrade into machines with a much hotter gpu


the VRMS hahah were made to handle a gpu that runs almost twice as hot as this. I have never reached 60c


I can make a prediction that not only will this laptop come with a 115 watt 2070....

It will also be released with a 200 watt 2070 someday called a 2075 and that might get hot. and thats how they will sell the turing gpus for a few years til the next ones are invented, they will sell the same thing with more power

i mean the desktop is already 230 watts its already here dont need to do any r and d dont even need to manufacture something new just throw it in the laptop , and they will

I can tell you why too if you look at the added heat pipes this model got compared to the heatsink from whats capped the p950 somethign with the 1070 gtx ( non max q) they added 4 heat pipes and connected the heat sink yet they put in a gpu that runs max q and uses 35 fewer watts. so tis ones made for a 4 a 6 an 8. and all of the laptops that were just sold are the same the asus zephyrus and the msi ghost etc are all the same its just how stuff is sold theres a plan


and no

there is no case im aware of that using a higher watt vbios, causes ( any ) damage or wear to a gpu this is because theres literally almost no cases of the last generation of laptop gpus th 10xx series ever having a gpu wear out from heat or age or anything. Like take a look for stories about my gpu overheated my gpu is broken my 1080 went bad from vbios flashing whatever.

alienware literally links nvflash to their software its part of owning an alienware

someone who works at a gaming laptop company must have heard of a case but essentially its rare i mean whatever garbage we just heard 10 percent wear of vrm or whatever yawn were 2 years into 1070 gtx laptops and they are all at zero


i bet gpus overheated in the 980 days

 

Where do you see more heatpipes between P950 and P970.
In the picture it is almost the same.

 

the one from the rear fan to the middle

ohhh both of those pictures are wrong


the last one had no pipes connecting the two, and this one has a pipe going from the rear of the right fan to the middle

so those are 4 pipes but they are 2 actual peices of copper.

the actual pictures of the laptops are here in this thread

neither of those are correct. i think those are both a model that coule be called a 950. one could also be the new one called a p950 that has no owners model weve never seen that one opened.

but neither of those pictures are what we have go ahead and search for the pictures we took


oh wait ya theres 4 heat pipes in that picture. ok its pink it connects both fans and goes through the middle but the old model is wrong too it did not have a pipe in the rear. the new model is actually correct its just reversed.

so look at the pink one that is what is called 4 heat pipes, it connects the two , and then also the one in the rear that connects the fan to the cpu that is also not present in the dissasembly or maybe it seperates but the new one does not. the old one is 2 seperate peices 4 fewer heat pipes.


a lot of what is in this conversation is literally psycho babble insanity.

gpus in laptops are not wearing out. vrms are not going bad gpus are not overheating and having a lifespan like a mechanical part. they functionally last forever barring serious overheating.
there is not 10 20 30 percentvrm wear there really arent even laptop gpus being turned in past defect stage they arent wearing out during the usable lifespan and who cares about the gpu warranty its garbology you can literally follow 100k laptop owners for 2018 and no one had that issue reported it may actually be impossible to do something like that to a gpu at this stage of technology
this story about crap like that is something from years ago.

 

My recent 970ef order was delayed for over 2 weeks and the retailer offered me the 9th series, apparently it should be available in just over a week.

 

one thing in the psychobabble that is true
is that the part of the gpu called the vrm could and should last longer
using less watts

( never mind that almost none ever break at this point in several lifetimes but in the past they did you never know, new hardware right?)

BUT WAIT HOLD ON ITS ACTUALLY ALL PSYCHOBABBLE INSANE


the 115 watt maxp 2070 uses exactly the same vrm as the 80 watts

there is no peice or possibility that they could be ANY DIFFERENT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE AS THEY ARE THE EXACT SAME COMPONENT



WHOOOPS THAT WAS ALL PSYCHO BABBLE THE END!!!!!!!


THIS GPU IS THE SAME GPU IT HAS NO DIFFERENT VRM it is indeed the exact same part from the exact same factory on the exact same day

If you have any questions about what a vrm is let me know
the 80w and 90w and 115 watt 2070 do not have different vrms they have different software lol

THE END THATS ALL THEY HAVE DIFFERENT THE END
there is no 10 percent vrm wear 20 percent 30 percent wear test all i can say about that is it must have some basis in fact from many years ago because its too weird to make up

but i believe its some useful thing really a test of a gpus wear and if it was overused, the vrm wore out faster than it did normally. I mean i have to say i believe this has a basis in reality from 5 10 years ago or something in this case though it has ZERORELEVANCE

because it has the same vrm no matter which vbios you use it cant have any different kind of wear. this is a test based on the totally incorrect basis that youre using more voltage than the vrm is made for but you arent.... anyone using this test to look for changing the vbios software of the same model is a step off reality.
having a conversation about hardware that doesnt exist right now and situations that dont apply to right now


to make a long story short....

Theres nothing even possiblybad about using a 115 watt vbios on an 80w gpu because they are the same thing

using perhaps a modified 150 watt vbios you made in theory could be, that would apply to wearing out the vrm but thats not whats going on here.
Im going on faith that all that he typed out has some application to hardware and a situation that has nothing to do with what were talking about


but the story is SCARY that they are analyzing hardware to make a reason to not honor a warranty. And it doesnt give me warm feeling.
I dont have faith or value warranties I like clevo because its reliable personally its a long research i did at its base pretty much nothing breaks in a laptop past initial defects during a warranty thats why its free then you pay for the next year or labor is free for me etc etc im with xotic.
thats why they think you abused it honestly nothing was supposed to go wrong in that year but thats a whole other conversation you can value it if you want

 

They are available a lot sooner than I anticipated. Mine ( 8th gen) will be delivered friday, if I had knew that I would have waited.
In the long run I don't expect that much gain in newer titles as the all core boost isn't that much higher, but the CPU is a bit more efficient and will be slightly cooler clock for clock.

 

True, I don't expect a significant improvement as it's still a 14nm cpu.

Only thing I'm disappointed about is the display as most brands jumped to 240hz.

 

I have seen nothing but good reviews. Watch how many of us with 8750 have an undiagnosable power throttling issue that disapears inthe 9750

240 hz displays are the newest thing too. id be totally stoked. the 144 hz display is nice though but ive heard the 240 hz are awesome

however so far as i know its just a plug and play and a 1080p screen actually ends up being like 80 bucks from china

 

Power throttling is dependend on the bois of the laptop and related with the cooling capabilities.
I've seen a test of the CPU in a very big MSI laptop where there is indeed no throtlling at all. CPU is running 100% of his capabilities, always. But that is a laptop that I don't want as the volume is 3 times the P970. There will be an improvement for sure but I bet the new clevo P970 will have CPU power throtling as well.

The 240Hz panel well yeah. I think the change is less than the bump from 60 to 144Hz. I've never had even a 144Hz panel, this will be the first one.

 

I dont see any use for the 100 more hz however..... i bet it also looks nicer as a result.


as far as power throttling i just did a fresh windows install and i unistalled the clevo software.

Theres a program called cpu oc that just shuts off when you try to start it that im super suspicious of. but i havent done any tests since i did that.

I have a clearly 45watt cpu it comes up as hw info so theres nothing to tell it to be a 30w cpu it never overheats. theres thermal throttling and power throttling they arent related doesnt matter how big or cool you get
so here it is 45w, and 3.900 all cores so after clean windows install nothing ever power throttles. we need to figure out what happens over time that power throttles because several of us described it I was at the same 3.3 as the other guy and also my 3dmark tests went down for the cpu score

 

The use case is gaming, but only if your FPS is higher then 144Hz.

Offcourse you have a 45W CPU but it's the software or bios that will do the power limit as you already know. I'm curious for the P970EF.
If it is not 100% to what I want, I will ship it back . I have 2 weeks for this.

If you have 6x3900MHz, is there any big load on it?
Because there is a differnce offcourse, 3900MHz without high load will use less power than 3900MHz at 100%.
Eventhough, Intel doesn't say you will reach 3900MHz on all cores at all times. Only when the CPU gets enough power and cooling. Otherwise you will have some sort of trotthling. The base clock is 2200MHz on all cores, everything above that is dependent on power and cooling solution of Clevo in our case.

 

I have a 144 qhd monitor and the jump from 60hz is like night and day for me. Apparently the jump to 240 isn't as great but the difference is apparent in fast paced games.

 

Yes, I've been following the 8th gen gaming laptops and many have weird throttling issues, like thermal or power.

 

i wonder if there are going to be qhd 240 ghz laptop monitors.