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    *** Official Clevo P970Ex Owner's Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. Master Stewie

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    How is the temp of the keyboard while gaming? Is it hot to touch or not?
    I forgot to check before ordering.

    1440p resolution needs more power. The biggest benefit of 240Hz is when you reach also 240fps.

    I’m not a competition gamer, 144Hz will work like a charm for me I guess.
    I first wanted to switch because of 9th gen CPU, but it seems that with the same cooling you will have only a very minimal gain. I was able to purchase the P970EF very cheap, the bump on price would be to high for the improvement.
     
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    Theres some review if thev960 none of the surface of thr laptop gets hot at all

    None of the laptop gets hot during gaming never 80c with standard undervolt of CPU. Zero none .

    The only detectable heat is the left exhaust fan
     
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    Well, the reseller recorder these temps in firestrike, with 1 stick of memory and with .125V undervolt, stock GPU.

    3DMark Firestrike:

    * CPU: max 70-75 graden
    * GPU: max 65-70 graden

    If I take CPU 75 degrees max and GPU 70 degrees max, you have to add 5-10 degrees in dual channel. Then CPU will be around 85 degrees ans GPU around 80, both are acceptable according me. The laptop is shippes with dual channel memory, but the kit wasn’t placed during benchmark.

    Anyway, it is shipped out and expectes for delivery tomorrow. Is Ghost recon: Wildlands a good game to test? I believe it is the most taxing PC game I own.
     
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    theres absolutely nothing true about dual channel raising cpu or gpu temeperature 1 degree. no amount of ram or speed or anything will raise temperatures at all

    if the cpu does not reach 80c there is no thermal throttling ever. if it reaches 85 there is barely some.

    the gpu never reaches thermal throttling in any of these laptops from any make at this point.

    if theres no thermal throttling thats the end . some people want also at that point lower the fan speed for noise i dont worry about that line of thought
     
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    Yes, dual channel will raise the temps but this depends on the game and on power limits. For example Dell allows their G7 to run with a very high power limit, so running in dual channel will give you this:
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    B.t.w if you want a good game for testing - try Forza Horizon 4, it has a nice benchmark and it is free for Xbox Game Pass subscribers (on PC), and currently there is a sale for Xbox Game Pass for like $1 for 3 month (the sale might depend on your location).
     
  6. stamar

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    um i dont know if i need another benchmark i have a lot the only thing im ing for is the power throttling thing it happens in a weird situation without cpu use

    but i will look into dual channel increasing heat because it doesnt this test notwithstanding if it can happen its something you could turn off too something to look up next week
     
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    Single channel is bottlenecking the CPU, which can bottleneck the GPU.
    So with dual channel the CPU can handle more data, use more power and same for GPU. So added heat.
    Also the mem controller is inside the CPU, again, a bit more heat.
     
  8. stamar

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    Even in this example which is probably a bad pasted malfunctioning Dell g7

    Nothing to do with us

    98c overheating cpu

    The gpu is still 75c. Just to add some apples to apples comparison it goes from 74 to 75 because the hot air isn't blowing out fast enough from the cpu

    That dell g7 is ready for a 2080 gtx max p and it has no cooling like a clevo its got cooling like a playstation We're not seeing any sort of gpu heat that needs max q software ever. I mean across the line of all makes but in clevos no way

    Its a big part of why selling the thick laptops for any of these rtx chips needs some marketing bs and might actually be in its last few years ever

    And my 3dmark gpu temperatures never reached 60c I'm about to do it again for you reference after new Windows install

    The next line ups will be Dell G7s with 2080 gtx in sure
     
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    The CPU gains a lot of heat because the bottleneck of the CPU (RAM) is gone. As BF V is a CPU intensive game, the GPU doesn't gain heat, the 1 degree difference is probably caused by the shared heatpipe. The cooling design of the dell G series is not adequate, hell, the cooling design of the Alienware m series is not good enough. There is just to much termal throttling going on.
    The g-series will never recieve a full RTX version except for the RTX2060, Dell has Alienware brand for this.
    Nevertheless thermally a RTX2080 is not possible to the Dell G5, it will probably run, but hermal throttle all the time.

    Intel told yesterday that they will start producing mobile CPU's on 10Nm this summer and expect the first laptops to be in shops end of this year. That will thermally be a big step in the good direction. The current CPU's are at there limits as you see in the minimal difference between 8750h and 9750h.
     
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    Well the CPU is waiting less for data so you get less idle cycles.
     
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    That's the same as I'm saying. More bandwith, more data to process, hotter, more FPS though.
     
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    Dual channel memory itself doesnt raise the heat, it allows the CPU to work more and pull more watts. That increases the heat :)
     
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    Im actually going to experiment turning dual channel off somehow to see if it stops power throttling
     
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    Look just follow this

    This laptop is overheating

    And the gpu is still at 75 c

    It is a 2060 gtx

    Its thr same temperature as a 2080 maxq

    None of them overheat in any laptop

    And if the 90w max q is at 75

    Can the 115 watt reach 85? I don't think so its literally ready for the 2080 max p 115 watt as is literally overheating the cpu

    Its thermally ready today but when it had a 2080 and it needed some more cooling they could add it then too couldn't need much

    And nevermind the Dell g7. The laptops we have are ready for 2080 maxp right now no question thermally

    This Dell g7. Nevermind an alienware or a clevo gaming laptop.

    And the alienware is probably ready for a 2080 max p x2 at 230 watts. Right now but when they put the 2080 max p in a Dell they'll need to put aomething new in an alienware
     
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    Recieved the P970EF, very low direstrike score (14k), CPU power ks around 10W. Shouldn’t that be more?
     
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    Is it firestrike or just the gpu score
     
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    I just read the tongfang mech 17 is getting a 2070 unlocked to 115w with the new 9th gen CPUs with only a bigger 230w power brick, and probably a firmware upgrade. Why can't the Clevo p970 receive the same treatment? The temperatures from the owners here clearly allow a lot more headroom.
     
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    I've retested, in performance mode :p.
    I think the values are OK right now.
    - Intel i7-8750H
    - RTX2070mq
    - Dual channel memory (2666MHz)
    - -0,125V undervolt CPU and cache, -0.050V undervolt iGPU and system agent (as they seem te be linked
    - RTX2070mq OC with 106MHz core and 330MHz mem

    Cinebench R15 --> CPU 1246, OpenGL 107,91fps
    Firestrike: Score 16520, 18814 Graphics score, 16862 Physics score and 8495 combined score

    CPU temp 71 degree max, max fan
    GPU temp: 67 degree max, max fan

    I play with fan on 50%, which isn't to load and keep temps under 80 degrees. I have the graphit pad on CPU and GPU in stead of the standard paste.
    I wonder what it would reach with liquid metal...

    GPU is pretty much always in power limit, but reaces 1700-1800MHz on core easily, mem is 6330MHz
    With Ghost recon wildlands game, CPU power is max 25W, but it runs buttersmooth.
     

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    Laptop industry is trying to sellthe thicker chassis parts and plastic and pretending the max p needs a thicker chassis when it never does.
    For a while. More sales somehow.

    The thicker chassis actually run hotter these max p notebooks are using older parts for cooling usually

    Tongfang doesnt have that

    So anyway the p970 would cut off salea of the 17 they sell why get it?

    The much 17 has no heat it could handlea 2080 maxp no problem

    In fact the 2080 maxp runs too cool it could handle some chip and power not for sale innlaptops yet.

    150w 2080 is nothing as far as thermally. Thermally it can fit in a much 15 stealth thin etc.
    Its just temperature the temperature never reach 80c in any rtx laptop
     
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    Basically take a stick out.
     
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    ohhhh ya thats easiest sure
    Im hoping theres a software way but i havent looked it up yet
     
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    your scores are like mine but a little better with similar settings

    i have a oc of 163

    once the cpu goes through a 3dmark score at 71c theres nothing to improve . I do my tests with the laptop raised at max fans always thats the only situation i care about temperatures. as far as ghost recon why does it do that? thats what im trying to figure out. I get power throttling only when its not a cpu test the same thing the tdp becomes 25w
     
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    I don’t know if you game, but have you also that it doesn’t draw a lot of power out of the CPU?
    I played some games and they all have very good framerate, but I only see 15-25 W usage on CPU.
    Firestrike pullled 60W max and sustainable 55W (sequences are pretty short).
     
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    Firestrike and other artificial 3DMark benchmarks don't really put enough stress on CPU+GPU, try using game benchmarks like the one in Forza Horizon 4, on Ultra serting and "Performance" setting in Clevo Control Center ;-) If you don't have this game - it may cost you FREE or $1 (this game is a part of Xbox Game Pass access).
     
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    You are sure? CPU was pulling 55W and GPU was power throttling... Not that long, that’s for sure.

    I will check FH4, it seems very cheap anyway for 3 months.
     
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    Try it out. I have different Clevo model but same CPU and I've seen higher temps when running this game compared to some other games and 3DMark benchmarks. I set it to Ultra in-game setting, disabled "Dynamic performance" setting and disabled VSync and set frame limiter to unlimited.
     
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    this is a dissasembly guide that works for our model

    this also shows the previous models heat sink which is different than that picture someone showed in one way, it does not have a pipe from the 2 fans to the cpu the 2 heat sinks are totally seperate.
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    the new heat sink has 4 pipes, 2 peices of copper are called 4 pipes or 4 connections different from the old one. even the old one was huge honestly

    i dont think really anything else applies to us but dissasembly although it has the same cpu
     
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    the only real game i have is witcher 3 but it rocks i mean it goes to 90 fps on ultra and nothing throttles.

    but we see like some sort of weird power thing what i want to know is how do you see the tdp of the gpu and the wattage used etc. I see something going on here

    so when i play it the speed goes to 1800 on the gpu and then the cpu power throttlesto 25w. its like gaming mode turns the cpu down is what im seeing.
     
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    You don’t see power of GPU, only power or thermal limit.
    Thermal limit I gave never seen, not in CPU or GPU, but my GPU is almost always in power limit.
     
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    Ok what app shows gpu power limit
     
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    Msi afterburner, it is one of the choices to add to the view.
     
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    GenTech has the 9750H models on their site for the same price as the 8750H models. The 9750H is supposed to be able to turbo almost a full 1GHz faster on single core, which would be a big deal in most games I think.

    Im pretty disappointed in my lack of timing. I barely had the thing a week. Maybe I can get GenTech to swap CPUs while they are swapping out my panel. ;)

    Maybe in the end it won't make a big difference.
     
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    Single core turbo is almost never seen as there is usually something else going on in the system.
     
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    But the core multipliers are better.
    1 core = 45
    2 cores = 44
    3 cores = 43
    ...
    6 cores = 40
     
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    What clevo software have you removed to limit power throttling?
     
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    Which will do fine for burst type workloads but sustained speeds will be the same.
     
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    Who? I didn’t uninstalled anything.
    I want to test FH4, but it won’t boot. I tried everything I could find online, except reïnstall and reïnstall windows.
    However, without undervolt ghist recon: Wildlands pulls around 40W and pushes GPU in power limit.
    Temos are around 80 degrees CPU and GPU with fans at 53% (could not aim for 50 :p). The fan sound is pretty low in this case.

    The machine works very well, but build quality is rather poor. The keyboard is ‘loose’ in the upper right corner but mainly the screen is terrible. A bit of backlight bleed (acceptable) but i have a curved screen. When the lid is closed, 1 side touched the base, the middle is aroumd 3-4mm from base and the left is also not touching. I hope the screen can be replaced as I don’t accept this from a brand new machine, otherwise I will return for a full refund (no restock fee).
     
  38. stamar

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    DOES not sound like a screen sounds like it is the lid which could be realigned i suppose but its just in the hinge to make the 2 peices of the laptop aligned better
     
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    It is bend at the top, I don’t think you can realign at the hinge. But this isn’t my problem as there is plenty of warranty.
    I tried installing FH4, no good luck. It was a nightmare to delete as well. I had to change security and owner settings to be able to delete. (I only have 230Gb ssd atm).

    I will try Far cry 5 this evening, because that’s seems to take a lot of power as well.

    Uptill now, I had 2 times blue screen with Windows store, one time undervolted, one time standard. The rest of the software works flawless.
     
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    Hi any idea how you lower the fanspeed? They sometimes accelerated for a moment at 25% speed for no reason while surfing.
     
  41. Master Stewie

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    It’s because the CPU is above (I believe) 40 degrees. I don’t think you can disable that. Matbe with Obsidian, but you have to pay for that.
     
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    Yes it's true (GPU and CPU above) even if there's not any apparent reason (or updates).
    Thanks I hope maybe to find a free alternative of Obsidian like https://github.com/duguzuyang/RLECViewer
     
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    I don’t get it anymore. What is holding back my system? 8750h icm with RTX2070mq and 16Gb dual channel ddr4 2666 (Kingston hyperX).

    Test FH4, pulls 21,5W out of CPU givingn 2400MHz, GPU is almost loaded to max, in power limit and on 1750MHz core/6330MHz mem while gaming. Runs at 87fps on highest settings.

    Test Far Cry 5, pulls around the same (20-25 ish) Watt out ofCPU giving 2900MHz, GPU is only loaded for 60/70%, also power limit running 1750/6330Mhz. Runs around 75-78 fps on ultra with HD textures.

    On both CPU 70 ish and GPU around 65 degrees on fan speed 53%, clevo center in performance mode. I’ve put the fan to max but the numbers are the same with lower temps and a lot of noise.

    In reviews I see the same CPU pulling 45W in far cry 5 for instance.
    My machine also pulls 55W during Firestrike bench, firestrike ans cinebench results are on par with the other laptops with same hardware.

    *old*
    I have a desk of Ikea and it is pretty much cardboard. When GPU fan is 25%, you can hear a low hummm.
    On my solid woodwn table you don’t have this.
     
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    I'd check your version of clevo control center and try removing it and trying again to see if there is a difference.
     
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    Didn't de-install clevo center, I don't think it is needed and I think I found it more or less.
    It looks like speedshift - epp that was holding the CPU, the reseller undervolted the CPU standard.

    What I have found while playing Far Cry 5, ultra settings. The back is elevated around 3 cm to get some room for cool air.

    Laptop: P970EF, i7-8750h, RTX2070mq, 16GB DDR4 2666MHz (CL15), with the graphit cooling pads on CPU and GPU.
    CPU core undervolt -125mV, CPU cache undervolt -100mV, iGPU undervolt -40mV, system agent undervolt -40mV.
    GPU core OC 106MHz, GPU mem OC 330MHz.
    Clevo center on performance mode

    FAN CPU 53% till 85 degrees celcius, FAN GPU 53% till 75 degrees celcius. After this it is lineair to max fan speed at 100C for both.
    You can hear the fans but are easily drown out with the speakers.


    1) Enabling speedshift 128, Max turbo 36x - CPU power around 20W
    Benchmark (fps): min 63 - avg 81 - max 104
    Gaming:
    CPU temp: avg 71 degrees - 2900 - 3000 MHz
    GPU temp: avg 75 degrees - 1800 - 1900 MHz --> power limit throttling

    2) Disabling speedshift, Max turbo 36x - CPU power around 38W
    Benchmark (fps): min 71 - avg 91 - max 110
    Gaming:
    CPU temp: avg 78 degrees - 3600 MHz
    GPU temp: avg 81 degrees - 1700 - 1800 MHz --> power limit throttling

    3) Disabling speedshift, standard turbo - CPU power around 43.5W
    Benchmark (fps): min 74 - avg 92 - max 109
    Gaming:
    CPU temp: avg 90 degrees - 3900 MHz
    GPU temp: avg 75 degrees - 1530 - 1650 MHz --> power limit throttling

    MAX FAN speed to show cooling capabilities. Pretty load fans, headset needed.

    4) Disabling speedshift, standard turbo - CPU power around 42.5W, Max FAN
    Benchmark (fps): min 70 - avg 92 - max 112
    Gaming:
    CPU temp: avg 79 degrees - 3900 MHz
    GPU temp: avg 71 degrees - 1530 - 1650 MHz --> power limit throttling

    5) Disabling speedshift, standard turbo - CPU power around 40W, Max FAN, HD textures
    Benchmark (fps): min 62 - avg 86 - max 108
    Gaming:
    CPU temp: avg 75 degrees - 3900 MHz
    GPU temp: avg 70 degrees - 1530 - 1650 MHz --> power limit throttling

    I think these are good results and performances. The keyboard gets hot when CPU is 80-90 degrees. A bit to hot to be comfortable.
    When loading CPU package draws up to 67.5W, without throttling.
    I even take the punishment in FPS to have a cooler and much quiter laptop. I know he is capable of handling more. But the gain is 10 fps avg, but it gets hotter and/or louder. I think CPU 71 and GPU 75 degrees are very cool, pun intended :p.
    Even with speedshift disabled and boost capped to 36x you don't loose performance but CPU is 10 degrees cooler while GPU is only 5 degrees warmer due to higher boost clock.

    But I like the results, only the screen is heavily bend and suffers from backlight bleed in the upper right corner. I will ask for a repair?change of the screen and lid.
    What do you guys think?
     
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    so i have a 3000 mhz ram stick, and a 3200 mhz ram stick

    they are branded gold key and gskill but they are both hynix ( hyundai) ram

    they come up in xpuz as 3000 and 3200 ram etc. but the highest speed the go is 2500 i cant find a place to enable xmp in bios.


    i have a warning for anyone

    I tried to enable xmp in intel xtu and a reboot started

    the machine would not post or reboot i had to disassemble it and unplug the cmos battery

    and then it did work, and eventually i got a message that xtu settings could not be applied. I dont think most users are ready to do that so watch out. I suspect that xmp is totally disabled in this machine

    this is bad because i paid extra for 3000 mhz ram in initial purchase and now 110 for 3200 mhz ram

    double check with the 960 users

    to even get to 2500 from 2400 i needed to alter the profile in the bios
     
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    You can trick the motherboard by changing the memory configuration (if you have two different speed sticks run one or swap them around) to reset the memory settings.
     
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    you mean while the machine is on? ok I am going to take pictures with my phone of the bios here.

    I swear if I have to ill train myself to be a bios editor this is actually fairly simple ill be the next prema i i suspect clevo might update the bios to allow xmp?
     
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    Don’t change RAM while the laptop is on. That isn’t what @Meaker@Sager meant.

    He means if it does not post, turn it off and remove a stick. It will post again.
     
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    Indeed the ram is not hot swappable. On startup it checks the ram is the same.
     
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