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Try to edit your posts rather than just stacking then like that.

 

And how long does the battery last in normal use?

 

The leaks about the i7-9750H make me wonder if I shouldn’t delay my purchase of a laptop at this stage.
Announcement should be april 21th and first deliveries end May.
I can wait for that (I can wait till after summer) and the first benchmark looks like a 30% advantage over the current i7-8750H) with the same TDP of 45W.

Single boost clockspeed is 4,5GHz which is awesome, all core boost is slightly higher with 4.0GHz, so no real benefit there.

 

The undervolt really did the trick. I've ran stress tests, and brand new games on Ultra, and have yet to go above 76c.

As for the fans I guess loud is subjective. My previous laptop had a 6700k with a 980GTX in it, and so it was much louder than this one. Also, I am aware of the FN + 1 key stroke to activate both fans to 100% speed.

Anyhow, thank you again for the solid advice.

 

i feel like undervolting the 8750 cpu is the number one thing to say in this whole forum.

the thread throttlestop guide is the main link this forum has.

Whats tough is many many tests are done at this point without undervolting of laptop hardware which are totally irrelevent. a 8750 must be undervolted.

 

Hey

got a p970ed a few weeks ago, and while gaming its perfectly fine, but eventually the clock drops to 2.6-3ghz (if playing at high fps) and the temperature sticks to 65-70 degrees, sometimes less.

any way to increase the limit so that it throttles less? since that temperature really isn't bad at all. I'm sure it can handle more.

the CPU becomes power limited to 26W, but the GPU is fine and sticks to 78W



(i did add a 1tb SSD but forgot to photo it, at stock the laptop only came with 1stick of ram and a 512 nvme ssd)

edit:

forgot to mention, i'm undervolted .125 in throttlestop already

 

You can also adjust the clock/voltage curve of the gpu in MSI afterburner.

 

What shows the gpu is at 78w?
Why I ask is isn't your model supposed to be 115w?
I'm not sure what exactly to change or test

Or if mine with the 970ef is different


I've seen this a lot with the 8750 in random Google search that tis being tdp limited and not getting hot

I'm not sure why the gpu voltage would change anything but also not sure it wouldn't.

There are things to change in xtu and throttlestop but we'll see slowly how to tune 8750 cpus
There sure are a billion out there

 

Hello!

after reading your reply and thinking that's a very good point, i went back and checked my notes I made, turns out i marked PL2 as gpu for some reason, sorry lol!

the gpu is actually perfectly fine, it gets nowhere near any thermal limits (usually about 60 degrees, sometimes less sometimes more depending on where the laptop is) and always has a nice 1.6ghz+, I am using a custom curve in MSI but it really hasn't changed much considering it was working fine anyway

however, still having the issue that the cpu locks itself to such a low wattage (under combined load of course) even when the temps aren't bad.

it takes a lot longer for this to happen in games, and it usually ends up at 3ghz or less if i leave the fps unlocked, but works a bit better if i lock them to 60 or 80 (although i really wish i didn't have to)

I used HWINFO64 while running AIDA64 stress test combined with Heaven benchmark at the same time

 

I've never seen any of the new laptops gpu temperature over heat

They ALL seem to be underclocked

I haven't seen any maxq laptop that temperature wise would noy work with a max p. They went to market with a software they dont need for some reason

 

Read the pinned comment:


"In the original video, I noted a 26 watt CPU TDP limitation under combined CPU and GPU load, however after further testing this appears to be incorrect. After a reset of Windows (a fresh install), the limit instead appeared to be higher at 39 watts, invalidating some of my data, which is why I have taken an extra day to retest and change the video. Most games actually saw the same performance, which was expected as they’re not all CPU heavy, so only results were updated were there were notable differences (eg Assassin’s Creed Odyssey and Shadow of the Tomb Raider). How did this happen? Why the difference in results? I believe this was because when I first got the laptop, I downloaded the control panel software for the Clevo P960ED from another source, and after receiving the correct software/driver packages to use, the original configuration must have remained in place which introduced these lower limits. This explains why after a Windows reset the performance was better than what I reported in the original video"

 

The chips are big with the clocks being in their efficient zone but its more the power management that's the issue to do that efficiently.

 

Since a few days my cpu in my p970EF is constantly in power throttling and is limited to 3.3ghz 3.4ghz under anthem whereas before I was well at 3,9ghz. I note that a 0 or 150mv undervolt does not change anything stuck at 45w and 3,4ghz always in constant power throttling. I do not understand, surely an update of xtu or Windows is a problem. The desinstalation of xtu has not changed anything ... I think I will have to reinstall ...

 

2 choices left.
P970ED with 16GB and 1Tb nvme ssd (intel 660p) or P970EF with 16Gb and 512GB 2,5" SSD (Crucial MX500). Price difference is 50€.
Is the 2070mq a lot better than the 2060? I find that the 2060 is faster, but I pressume that the 2070mq was throttled in the tests as this shouldn't be the case.

 

It's appreciably more capable, but not "a lot better," no. Your mileage may vary with it.

 

I posted my 3dmark scores here and other peopple postef their 970ed scores and mine were 2000 higher

Just with it as is undervolt overclock

As prostate said its more capable meaning you could use it as a max p vbios someday.

It's an 8gb 256 bit card set to run slower

Other clevos are flashed to alienware or whatever bios.
But the 2060 is at its max clock speeds already

I have to be honest with you the difference is way nore than from 2070 to 2080
This maxq is a marketing plan

 

So.
Drop 512Gb in ssd en take the RTX2070mq for 50€ more is a good deal.
I stretched my budget to the max with the RTX2070. I can add an nvme drive later if needed.

 

IDK if this is a good place to ask but how does an RTX 2080 MaxQ 80 / 90W perform against an RTX 2070 MaxP?

 

There is no "MaxP". There is a regular mobile 2070 (this is how it's mentioned in most places and reviews) and 2070 Max-q.

As far as how 2080 Max-q will perform compared to mobile 2070 - they should be close with 2080 Max-q. Here's review of laptop with mobile 2070, it has many gaming benchmark results:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Schen...-Tongfang-GK7CP7S-Laptop-Review.414909.0.html

You can compare those to any 2080 Max-q model recently reviewed on same site, results will be very similar.

 

Well not any 2080 max-q as there is a wide range of possible power options.

 

Have you guys noticed this model or more precisely the entire Intel 8th gen series of P9X0 EX is removed from Clevo website and replaced with P9X0 RX with 9th gen?
Obsolete chassis in less than 2 months. Sigh.

 

But there is no release date for the 9th gen yet.

 

rumours say 21.04.

 

21/04 anouncement. I wanted to pull the trigger to order today. Haha.
You should expect that the 8th gen CPU laptop would drop in price but that will not be the case in europe.
Only the GTX1060 laptops went down in price, the GTX1070 are still expensive that you better buy a GTX2060 because it is more than 2 years newer.

 

XMG 10% discount on current gen at the moment

 

PC Specialist is still way cheaper.

 

Hello,
I haven't re installed windows or control centre or anything, but my power limit throttle has at some point resolved itself and I'm hitting a constant 50w now, however I'm noticing in benchmarks my clock speed is up down up down all the time, yet msi afterburner shows a constant 3.9ghz

Any ideas what this could be?

 

Temps are getting up there.

 

well yeah, i understand the temps are high ish (i'm not convinced 85 should be throttling though,but thats just my opinion haha. maybe above 90 )

but even if i lock my clock to 3.4, it still happens occasionally, although admittedly not anywhere near as often, maybe once every minute or so. This is with temps not going above 70

 

There are several limiters on turbo like power, temperature and current which have different timers and levels based on short and long turbo.

 

Hi,
I keep looking why on my p970ef I can not maintain 3.9ghz under anthem. After a new installation of Windows nothing changes, after the launch of the game the processor gradually drops to about 3.4ghz. Looking at hwinfo64 and I notice a strange thing: the PL1 powerlimit goes down gradually in steps of 0.250w from 45w up to 35w during game. Which explains the important power limit that I see despite the undervolt of -0.130.
When I leave the game the PL1 goes up gradually up to 45w. Do you have an idea because I'm starting to despair see to regret this purchase ...

 

I just pulled the trigger and Ordered an P970EF :
- 17.3" FHD IPS (1920x1080), 144Hz 9ms, 72% NTSC, non-glare LED (Zonder G-Sync), dead- and bright pixel free
- GPU: nVidia RTX 2070 Max-Q 8.0Gb GDDR6
- CPU: Intel Hexa Core i7-8750H (2.20-4.10Ghz) 9Mb cache 45W
- Paste: Standard or IC graphit (Have to choose...)
- Memory: Kingston HyperX 16Gb DDR4 2666Mhz (2x 8Gb)
- HDD/SSD: Crucial MX500 250Gb SSD
- M.2 SSD: None
- Wireless: Intel AC-9260 M.2 (1.73Gbps, 802.11AC) + BT 5.0
- Keyboard: US Internationaal RGB Verlicht Toetsenbord
- OS: Windows 10 Pro NL 64-bit + Installation
- Accu: 62WH accu
- Adapter: 180W Adapter
- Warranty: 2 year carry-in
- Touchpad/Fingerprint reader: In-glass Touchpad/Fingerprint reader

I think the price is very sharp with 1557 euro, The same at PC-specialist is 150€ more.
I hope it will work flawless. I took the smallers SSD and the plan is to use this as a backup drive and install a 1TB main NVME SSD myself at some later stage.
Only thing I have to choose right now is IC graphit pad or normal paste. That are the only choices with this reseller.
In fact, this device had the same price as the P970ED with 1Tb SSD, In total it will be 100 euro's more expensive now, but with the RTX2070mq inside.

Anthem is very hard for the CPU. It get's pretty hot, maybe that is why it drops the clocks. 3.4GHz is still a boost of 1.2GHz...

Possible issues:
- VRM overheating, this will cause a PL to 35W.
- HWmonitor that give issues (try logging with TS if yu use HWmonitor)

 

Where did you order?

 

Laptop4less in the Netherlands. Uptill now great responses on e-mail with a clear explanation.

 

Ah ok, I was thinking about ordering there as well. What about those thermal pads, is that a good idea? Should perform worse than a clean re-pasted as available from PC specialist I assume?

 

He claims to have good experience with the thermal pads. I might try them and if needed repaste myself with Kyronaut. Then the cleaning work is already done .
If you see the review of Linustech, there is only a few degrees added compared with good thermal paste. If the cooler is clamped well, it should work.
Also Maccin who posted here earlier seems to have good themps with them (in PM he explained)

 

Ok, that doesn't sound bad. Probably better than stock paste at least I suppose.

Other than that, why did you chose this one over the tongfang chassis? I am struggling to make up my mind and take a decision.

 

It should be at least on par, Maccin has a P970ED and sees max load temps of 80 degrees with it after undervolt. That isn't bad at all.

At the end the looks (you can put the clevo anyware and nobody can tell it is a gaming capable laptop but mainly the keyboard.
The tongfang felt super per key and is pretty quiet, but after typing a small text on both, the clevo feels pretty much the same as my Dell lattitude at work. The tongfang felt a little to narrow for me.

Before I went to the shop I had the tongfang in mind, but the clevo looks suits me better and the keyboard made it easy for me.
I think both are very good laptops, you just have to make the decision in form factor, looks and keyboard.

 

Check your version of the clevo control center, or try removing it temporarily.

 

Thx I will try. It's really strange because the problem has occurred for 2 weeks, can be an anthem update problem. As I reset windows it can not be that.

 

If it disn’t happened before, it must be software related. I missed that before.

 

Yes I know, that's why I started with a reinstall of Windows without success. There must be some incompatibility somewhere.

 

I deleted all Clevo software altogether and I'm using Obsidian-PC software instead. + Throttlestop and Afterbuener for CPU and GPU control ofc.
-0.130 on core and cache and -0.07 on iGPU and everything works great.

 

what is the software i should delete? i should try uninstalling?

 

There's a software i. The folder of control center called CPU overclock it comes up a lot this issue that without CPU and gpu overclock installed it underxlocks
I haven't even checks mine I just went for 3dmark testing

I myself would wait for this 9th gen CPU particularly since this model is coming out with it first

You can descrube it as not too different from an 8750 but i bet it uses less power .
I plan on using it for uhd gaming I wonder if the new model has but etc


The new clevo model does have a couple things different

950 has uhd screen
Also new version doesnt have 2.5 inch sata
So it may also have a bigger battery we can put in ours

I have 4 tb with the 2 nvme already I probably would never use the sata ssd
I may also but I may prefer a bigger battery

 

I don’t expect a lot of gain of the i7-9750h. It is a refresh, base clock is higher but all core turbo is only 100MHz difference. Single core performance is quite good however.

I went for the p970EF, the price was good, the same as P970ED a few weeks ago.

 

Please let this be true. A bigger battery + per key RGB would make it an instant buy from me. Shame no UK reseller seems to sell the per key RGB option

 

The per key RGB is an option for sure on the new ones. As long as you can’t create profiles that change per application I don’t see much use cases in this.

I both it now because the new ones will be more expensive with the reseller where I both.
Pc specialist was already 200€ more expensive, so that migth be a smaller difference.

 

Stamar,
During your 3min occt test what is cpu frequency? Mine around 3,3ghz during the test.