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    *** Official Clevo P870TM Owner's Lounge! ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Oct 6, 2017.

  1. tanzmeister

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    It's worth it if you use Liquid metal on GPU, makes a big difference compared to the T-shaped one
     
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    Some do yes, it's if that increased cost and complexity is worth increasing the price for everyone to improve that.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Nov 29, 2017
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    FYI, I seem to lose connection with my USB keyboard and mouse when I enable/allow use of my Thunderbolt 3 external drive (Win10 Fall Creators Edition v1709). It took a couple of reinstalls to figure it out. As soon as the TB3 drive connected, things just stopped... Downloading v1703, as it's seems stable on my DM-G...

    edit: i'm curious if the fact that WinUpdate wants to update the 300 series chipset with 200 series chipset drivers could of been an issue.
     
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    Feedback to your resellers you would like the MUX, it can't hurt to see interest.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Nov 30, 2017
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    Theres been some pretty heavy editing on this thread. Interesting stuff to say the least.
     
    Ogg, Nov 30, 2017
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    Eurocom Support, Nov 30, 2017
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    PM'd - please delete
     
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  8. tanzmeister

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    the bare costs of producing single notebook comes close to the costs of material, when the numbers of production are big. most of the income is "eated" my the sales team, R&D, etc

    implementing iGFX whould cost the company something like 0.2Cents per laptop. IMHO
     
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    OK now take into account clevo is not dell and this is their high end lower volume models...
     
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    Well... They save on commercial, sales, global division, customer support and authorized service centers, their production policy is strictly efficient due to "build to order" factor, they are not tight to contracts with distribution network and so on. You can just compare Dell and Clevo like that, it's too complex.

    Adding less than 1$ to the cost of main board is nothing for a high end model that costs 3-4k retail.

    Especially when we see lower end models are actually MUXed. I believe re-sellers should raise this question. Even MSI has igfx mode switch on their high end laptops.
     
    tanzmeister, Dec 2, 2017
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    What do you mean? :) have enough?
     
    tanzmeister, Dec 2, 2017
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    Ah, better PM me
     
    tanzmeister, Dec 2, 2017
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    Well it takes up more board space but most of the money is in firmware/development yes. The switch will cost a bit more than that each though.
     
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    Out of interest which ones in MSI range are still muxed? Last time I looked they were not.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Dec 2, 2017
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    You can't compare Clevo to Dell, or to MSI or anyone else tbh - they have completely different business models. The cost per unit of adding a MUX to the socket CPU models is just one small part of the process, but to suggest it would be less than USD1 per unit is a slight under-estimation.

    ^^ Correct, considering that we are on the 870TM thread and discussing socket CPU chassis. The MSI chassis which did have a socket CPU did NOT have the option to run directly form the iGPU, no laptop can do that. The current "high end" MSI chassis do have a switch, but that's because they are all BGA CPU chassis.

    Intel does not have a solution to connect socket iGPU to internal panel or to be able to support a MUX type solution. In desktop PC mainboards you have separate outputs for iGPU vs the dGPU itself. You can argue that you don't need to be able to switch between the two on a PC, but that's not the point. What matters is that if you want to try and introduce a MUX type solution into a socket laptop mainboard you're talking a huge investment not just from Clevo but other companies too.

    P.S. @Phoenix - maybe you could ask the moderators to merge the official P870TM and P870TM-G threads together? It's a bit strange having two threads where the same topics are being discussed simultaneously ;-)
     
    XMG, Dec 2, 2017
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    gt73vr, seems so.

    gt72vr is not, but its not the "top"

    gt83vr possibly, not sure
     
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  20. tanzmeister

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    absolutely agree: Clevo and Dell business models can not be compared just like that.

    as for 1USD pricing: after all the sales, considering KKK quantities sold, it could possibly be even less than that!
     
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  21. tanzmeister

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    I cant agree with you here and here is why:

    Clevo n650kk1 model

    Clevo n95xkp6 models

    these systems support Optimus with desktop CPU in laptop.

    but all we actually need in P series is just a physical switch to iGFX for various reason and one of them is to be able to run the machine without the discrete VGA.

    switching to Optimus for safety VGA flashing would be even greater, but that is only to dream about..
     
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  22. XMG

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    Yup fair point, but they are BGA GPU systems though. Sorry if I wasn't clear, I could have written that post a little bit better. To clarify, I was only talking about socket mainboards meaning CPU and MXM GPU.
     
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  23. tanzmeister

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    I am sure it's irrelevant if GPU is socketed or not. new models with 1070 and 1060 have their VGA really "Discrete", meaning they act similar to MXM variants, even having their "Discrete" proms.

    its especially irrelevant because I am saying that at least switching to "iGFX only" mode would great.
     
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    In part yes, because they can be made to operate as the sole GPU and not requiring the iGPU like previous mainboards. But it's not irrevelant, there are still enough differences between the way that a BGA and MXM GPU operate with the mainboard.
     
    XMG, Dec 3, 2017
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    Sent in a PM.
     
    FTW_260, Dec 3, 2017
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    @Meaker@Sager I tried to transfer the non-gsync 1080 into the P870TM1 and there was no screen. I thought non-gsync to gsync transfer would only lose the screen's gsync functionality?
     
    temp00876, Dec 3, 2017
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  27. woodzstack

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    Should change this to the EVOC** P870TM1 because you only covered their model, which is slightly different, most notably the casing graphics.

    You also only mention they have it for sale, so it seems specifically thier model only.

    If this thread is for all models of this laptop, should we include the other resellers too ?
     
    woodzstack, Dec 3, 2017
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    It actually should work
     
    tanzmeister, Dec 3, 2017
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    Yeah that is so strange. Will try it again later this weekend.
     
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    No I won't change it to EVOC as this is a Clevo laptop. when other resellers offer it on their site, they can tag me and post the link and I would add their name in the where to buy section. that's the drill as always!
     
    Spartan@HIDevolution, Dec 4, 2017
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    We can tag you, but resellers are not allowed to post links to their websites on the forum - so we would have to pm you the information if that's ok.

    Also as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I'm not sure if it's necessary to thave one Owners thread for the P870TM and another separate one for the P870TM-G - for discusions on the forum they will be 99% the same topic and there's a lot of duplicate discussions goin on in the two P870TMxxx threads. Might be easier just to collate everything into a single thread ;-)
     
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    Yes, please @Phoenix request a mod to merge this thread into the first one!

    Also, since reseller can't post threads or links and they can't PM you, why not simply keep the OP just CLEVO generic model / brand agnostic and let user do their own research. I guess it would lift the spirit among re-seller...
     
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    I reported it to be merged

    I only named this thread Clevo P870TM but the mods usually rename it to add the Sager equivalent of that model. I never constrict it to any brand or reseller
     
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    I'll send you a PM so you can give me the link to be added to the OP

    To all other resellers, just tag me if you have the laptop mentioned in the thread and I will PM you to get the links
     
    Spartan@HIDevolution, Dec 4, 2017
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  36. Dc_79

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    Wh
    What does a re seller have to do to become a partner with you?
     
    Dc_79, Dec 4, 2017
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    You beat me to the pm - I'll get back to you shortly! Thanks
     
    XMG, Dec 4, 2017
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    Some photos from cooling system Clevo P870TM1-G model CEGP870TM1G [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Gesendet von meinem SM-G935F mit Tapatalk
     
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    CEGP870TM1-G cdn... [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

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    Single VGA cooling system CEGP870TM1G [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Gesendet von meinem SM-G935F mit Tapatalk
     
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    Nice resilts and temps. Is that cpu delidded?
     
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    Yeap..

    Gesendet von meinem SM-G935F mit Tapatalk
     
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    Here are some pics of heatsinks in P870TM1: CPU and GPU (SLI GTX 1080)
     

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    I posted this in the "Other" thread (why are these two not merged yet?) but P7xx DM2/3 with 8700K.....

    http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5463043585

    Which means 870 Dm and KM1 should also be possible...
     
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    Okay. Whos gonna provide for me this coffee lake bios? I can try to test this mod-bios. We have enough hardware on stock ;)

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    Cdn... everything stock... thermal paste -Grizzly Kryonaut and CPU is without Delid. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

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    So, doesnt make sense install memory faster than 2400mhz with none-K Cpu's with stock bios is no OC options. Im a little bit disappointed because i have extra ordered for this unit 3200Mhz RipJaws

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    This is out-of-the-box right? Can you redo the benchmarks by increasing Power Limits 1 and 2 to 300, VR limit to 2400 please? :) Excellent temps by the way.

    There is no option to use Custom timings even in the Clevo Control Center?
     
    temp00876, Dec 4, 2017
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    Good pics guys. I wonder why Clevo still use this low profile heatsync ribs. They can do greate job on CPU but still pushing **** on gpu
     
    Rahego, Dec 5, 2017
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