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I tried that. I put the SSD in the slot where the mechanical hard drive is, system still wouldn't recognize it.

I have a hard time believing that the Samsung Evo SSD is dead. I feel like the slot might be disabled??

 

So you're able to use all three M2 slots and both 2.5 inch SATA slots?

If that's the case, I feel like one of three things is an issue here. I have a dead SSD, the slot is dead, or the slot is disabled.

Unless you guys think I'm doing something wrong. I'm open to any help!

 

Dead SSD I would expect.

 

The fan is still a different size.

 

Looks like I was wrong on all of it. I'm extremely happy that this was a simple problem. I almost feel a little dumb too lol

After speaking with Zoltan at HID, he informed me that this is a rather common problem when installing 2.5" SSD's on this model of laptop. Basically, when you slide the SSD in, it slides down and doesn't latch on to that SATA data and power connector on the board, because how how thin the drive itself is. HID includes a foam "riser" kit with your laptop purchase, to compensate for how thin these drives are, compared to mech HDD's. After attaching the foam riser, I ensured when sliding it in that the back end of the drive, stayed high up as I pushed it in (use a tiny screwdriver or plastic knife) and it slid right in onto the connectors.

I feel like this resolution is going to help out a lot of people when they go to install their 2.5" drives on this laptop and they don't know about this. I found nothing on Google nor the owner's manual in regards to this.

Thank you @Meaker@Sager and @ole!!! for your responses, I appreciate the help.

 

thats just fine though, plus they dont even need to add 4th fan, we can add it. just change it to VC

yep thats a problem with it's crappy design. for my mod i need to use power splitter and the current design makes it extremely difficult and annoying. i wish we still had ODD bay so i can just take the power and empty slot from that. bigger the laptop the better, 22inch 1920x1200 screen and 4" thick laptop pls

 

Thicker the better ! for sure

 

Except when it was that thick Americans never bought it

<3 to my old P570WM tank.

 

What , you sain we don't lik em thicc...?

 

Apparently not, it sold better in Europe and Asia.

Hex cores (and beyond) and triple fans before it was cool

 

that heatsink would do wonders for the 8 cores we gonna have going forward. that was a 140w heatsink iirc, it will be perfect for 8700k OC, and a mild OC for 9900k.

 

Well then should I say I am glad not to BE an American !!

 

Touché.

But in all honesty, with these older models, I doubt the thickness played too much into this. Wherever I travel in the middle states, very few people have ever heard of Clevo or Sager, let alone any other boutique names. And this is with IT professionals. Although word of mouth is getting better in 2018, in 2003-2005, it really was a matter of advertising, brand recognition, or the boutiques (falcon and aw) that were selling had such a huge Mark-up, it was priced out of the main stream budget.

 

Sager/Clevo is something you see on MacGyver.
like the one where they were trying to find a missing HD and tracked it to a junkyard in Ghana or whatever. That Kid with the bastardized laptop, that reminded me of a Clevo...lol

 

Models have to be pretty universal across markets to continue. We are not talking that long ago for the P570WM.

 

I'm pretty sure in that era those "killer" laptops in TV / Movies were all Toshiba's...that's before Apple made a big push into that lucrative free advertising realm. I do recall seeing some Compaq's too, but that was rare. Maybe Sony too.

 

This was in the new MacGyver..lol

besides he could make one out of a potato, Nokia phone and a tricycle...

 

And, a paperclip holding together bits of a Korean era MIG Jet.

 

Sony did it too of course.

 

How do you guys (P870TM owners) like the chassis? Does it feel cool, comfortable, palm rest feels nice, keyboard feels nice, port locations all make sense, etc?

Trying to decide between this and P775TM. I kinda like the appearance of P775TM better, though I know P870TM is capable of better cooling. It may come down to just how each one feels, and comfort of use, if anyone has any input. Intended build is 17" FHD, GTX 1070, i7-8700k.

What's your day-to-day use impressions?

 

https://www.servethehome.com/intel-optane-905p-hits-1-5tb-finally-and-380gb-m-2-specs-up/

so apparently specs already up. 11.7w 905p m.2 380gb optane SSD, it also has spec for 480GB U.2 part as well. theres definitely firmware differences as well as controller being different too.

but boy 11.7w thats gonna be hard to cool, thats also pretty hefty under load too, i'll have to check my own personal usage. i'd like to think it'll be pretty heavy but i doubt its even remotely close to intel's intended usage specs.

edit: nope its the same controller so just likely toned down a bit of performance on firmware. still full 7 channels so should still have decent sequential.

 

I've owned the P870DM & P870DM3 which is basically the same chassis so:

Appearance of the P775TM is better, it's lighter, and thinner. Bezels are also smaller. Battery is quick remove.
Keyboard is the same between the two. The keyboard is okay..it's not the best and the small keys are annoying. It'll get the job done but is definitely one of the worse thing on the laptop.

P870TM has better cooling, hands down.

The P870TM is not a aluminum chassis but it is sturdy. I wouldn't worry too much about it as it's built well despite the materials used.

Display options are the same so you're not sacrificing anything there.

Ports on both laptops are great. Locations are also great.

On the P870TM, the palm rest won;t get hot. I haven't owned a P775 series so don't know about those, but I assume it's also not gonna get hot.

Since you are configuring a 1070 with i7-8700K, I think you will be fine with the P775 series laptop. I would only worry about getting the P870 series if you'll be choosing 1080/i7 8700K.

 

Yes, but per watt the samsung drives are so much better for the average user.

 

whole point is performance

 

Is it really though past a certain point? If that performance is so expensive power wise?

 

intel is basing power spec off of enterprise workload, where as samsung is consumer workload due to nature of optane vs consuemr ssd. i'd think it is much heavier than samsung's SSD. not to mention back in the days we had sammy's 961 or was it 951 doing like 3A+, they are not that much different. the 970 pros a bit better, still i'd say more than half of what intel's using, just my assumption though.

the performance is totally worth it.

 

From what I can gather both list power in a fair manner.

When your storage needs active cooling it's time to take a look at the power...

 

thats another thing. 22110 form factor wont fit where the ssd suppose to go in clevo machine. so its gonna be directed at another place, where there should be a bit more airflow.

 

What do you do that benefits from this improvement?

 

what do you benefit from going 6c/12t to 8c/8t

 

6 cores/12 threads to 8 cores/8 threads is about 40 cinebench points in CB15. Not worth the sidegrade.

But losing 4 threads by going to 8C/8T can cause problems if you're playing a game that uses all 8 threads and streaming at the same time, because game threads+windows apps aren't optimized perfectly like tile based renderers like Cinebench and Blender.

Going from 4C/8T to 8C/8T is a nice improvement. But don't ask me what is better long term: 6C/12T or 8C/8T...not answering that.

 

One is a slot in upgrade, the other requires structural changes.

 

that depends on how you see it i guess. to me it is all structural because of heat and size.

 

8c/8t is similar in power to the 6c/12t

 

m.2 905p would be similar to pm961 in heat while giving me 400% more on random read performance. cpu only gets about 15%

 

im dying to wait for a 5.2 sample but i dont think its gonna happen. SL's 5.1 is prior to delid + LM and it uses 1.312v while at a lower ac/dc value than 8700k, thats pretty damn amazing.

im still waiting to see what clevo might put out within next month or two though.

 

I don't know.
My 9900K does 5.1 ghz with HT on at 1.335v (can't go lower on voltage) and 5.2 ghz with HT off at 1.335v (took a guess. did not test lower on voltage).

 

did you get yours from SL? and at what ac/dc value?

 

Similar? The 905p uses more power at idle than the 970 pro uses doing 4k random.

The idle power is over 2 orders of magnitude higher

 

im comparing it to the hotter pm961 and 951 though, not 970 pro. and even if it runs hotter thats no problem, its not gonna fit into the same location anyway and has more air flow.

no point of wondering about idle power consumption if we care about pure performance. i'd leave cpu cstate off at all time on the cpu and that cranks up the power conusmption too

 

Idle power consumption matters for cooling down during burst loads though.

Considering the price you would have to compare it to the 970pro at the very least.

 

No I ordered mine from newegg.

AC DC loadine is irrelevant on desktops when setting your own voltages. Desktops have true vcore sensors which completely ignore the IA AC DC loadline setting when unlinked from them via manual. The IA AC DC Loadline affects the VID only, which is properly used for adaptive voltages. When using manual voltage setting, there is no difference between having AC DC at 1, or having it at default (1.60 on 8 core coffee lake), except the VID is higher at 1.60. The voltage (vcore) itself is not affected because I'm using manual voltages.

When using adaptive ("normal") voltages, the vcore is set based on the VID.

On our laptops, the IA AC DC loadline seems to affect --manual-- voltages. They're not supposed to do that. It might be doing that because they act as a sort of loadline, and laptops don't have Loadline Calibration (LLC), except MSI laptops, which seem to have some hardwired LLC built in.

 

yep my experience was ac/dc affecting even static voltage which is pretty messed up. maybe theres a difference between bios and TS's static. i only tried static in TS but not bios. i guess i should try both but i'd think they're the same.

 

They are exactly the same.
The AC DC loadline setting apparently "boosts" the static voltage somehow by raising the idle voltage past what you set in the bios", then the load voltage drops based on how much vdroop there is. There some sort of formula of resistance, based on amps, that an asus employee said on overclock.net on the Z390 thread.
Something about:
1.0 mOhms * 100 amps=100mv

So with an IA AC loadline of 1 mOhm, at 100 amps of current, the VID will rise by 100mv (supply voltage). This is assuming the initial VID is based on the CPU's pre-programmed VID (adaptive voltage) or the manual override voltage (which on the laptops is reported by the VID now changing).

The IA DC loadline is power reporting and measurement and this affects how much vdroop there is on the VID afterwards. But that relationship is bizarre and I don't understand it. All I know is AC loadline=power supply voltage, DC loadline=power measurement/droop.

Unfortunately you need access to the CPU on-die sense (accurate vcore actually going into the CPU itself) or another way of measuring CPU vcore with hardware and then seeing how the IA AC DC loadline values affect this (when using adaptive voltage, as the vcore is then linked to the VID, minus or plus any offsets that change the vcore afterwards). This is easy on a Z390 Gigabyte board if it has the IR 35201 sensor, because the VR Vout is the direct voltage from the voltage regulator that's going to the CPU, not affected by resistance or power planes, so it's extremely accurate. Maximus XI boards have a recalibrated SIO sensor which closely matches the CPU on-die voltage sense, by <16mv difference, so you can use that board to see how the IA AC DC loadlines affect things (when using adaptive voltage).

 

the measuring voltage is also an issue. SL had the same problem when they binned 9900k, different voltage values on different boards but that is because the sensors on different boards were placed different which triggers me thinking maybe boards dont matter much as long as it delivers enough power for average OC, maybe @Johnksss can share some of his experience on this if good board mean higher in extreme oc.

i only have the 8700k sample with clevo mobo to go off of and i can only hope that SL binned similarly between 8700k and 9900k. delid + LM vs soldered, 210 mohms vs 160 mohms those i think matters little, matters big is if voltage is measured with similar board sensors.

 

In the end the peak overclocking frequencies would tell you how well the VRMs are doing delivering power and what the peak power draw at that point is.

 

not if the 905p comes with a decent size heatsink. issues will be no problemo

 

It's already too big to fit, now you want to block airflow in a chamber not designed for a heatsink or have a heatsink that wont even fit.

These are designed for servers with a few delta screamers in the front pushing airflow through the chassis giving that lovely datacenter white noise

 

A U3 mod with good 3 high pressure fans make a great job cool down the NVMe SSDs. Although it’s on opposite side of MB in P870 it works very well

 

Yeah sure, but all that effort for no perceivable difference in performance. It's like crippling the portability so that you can add more RGB.