*** Official Clevo P870KM1/P870KM1-G/Sager NP9876 Owner's Lounge! - Phoenix 3.0 ***

Who are you?

 

Who am I, or Papusan? I'm just someone who likes buying stuff that works when I want, the way I want, and preferably doesn't cost me too many friends as bodyshields by failing spectacularly.

Did I mention I'm all alone?

 

talking to Mr. Papusan my friend not you I quoted him right?

 

*laugh* Oh yeah, I know and you did quote him. Seemed like a humorous opportunity to say hello to you. You have a LOT of experience with Clevos, judging from the sheer number of forum threads you have started and/or participated in. I even have your thread on clean-installing Windows 10 bookmarked somewhere, if/when I need to do a reinstall on my future laptop... very nice stuff!

On a more serious note: are the keyboards really that bad, and in what way? What did you do, just buy an external keyboard and hook it up to the laptop? I remember reading you were pretty upset getting a DM3 right before the KM1 came out, and now you got that MSI beasty.

Lastly: how in the HECK are you able to afford all this stuff? I seem to remember you posting about a trade-in/upgrade option somewhere, but I don't recall offhand... Anything to do with that MSI Gaming Team in your signature?

 

Well, at 30C inside, I can't even walk around without sweating, first getting an AC unit then considering doing a delid.

First advice that comes to mind us always using an external KBD, second advice that comes to mind is to ask the reseller for a replacement and replace it, the process takes only a few minutes and it is fairly simple to do! I took my KBD off before to move the RAM sticks.

No problems with mine either, works excellently. Not typing on it unless I have to, but I do game on it from time to time, and it held well so far.

I could had bet that you weren't going to let that one slip!

I really hope that you'll find happiness with your Clevo. It took me a few days before I installed windows and everything I needed, but the hardware has been really solid for me - no inherent problems whatsoever. I think that they can even install windows and all necessary drivers for you before delivery, if you add a SSD or HDD to your order.

 

The keyboards... the shift key is too short and you can press the up arrow key by mistake - this causes you to mistype a bit.

It is possible to live with it and there are workarounds it if you need one.

I use an external Keyboard, external display and external mouse 99% of the time so the KBD and touchpad quality really doesn't matter.

The fingerprint works well though

 

apparently the connector came loose by itself

 

First post here we go!

Hey guys, I've been reading this thread for some weeks now trying to convince myself to throw my savings into a P870KM1-G.
This is exciting, my last laptop was an HP Pavilion from 2007 which ended up melting to death in the trunk of a car in a desert in Nevada (oh don't let this happen to you guys, lol)

I've decided on HID Evolution (kind of expensive coming from R&J for last build (for a friend, I used him to test them hehehe) ), though only because of the possibility of Prema BIOS support and the option to order a barebone (I like using my own locally sourced parts as much as possible)

From what I can tell, Dell is now swapping panels B173QTN01.0 to B173QTN01.4 for their 17R4 AW units which solves the alternating dark line problems but they required a BIOS update to continue operation of G-Sync, I don't know if it was BIOS or vBIOS though. Ted @ HID Evolution doesn't think Clevo will be offering the BIOS upgrade but perhaps it's something that Prema might be able to accomplish. I'm not sure if hacking the panel EDID will work as well, that'd be something nice to know. There's currently 1 seller I know of on eBay offering the fixed revision B173ZAN01.4 model panel but it's a little high on price (like $300 USD) for anyone daring to step into testing things.

Is anyone else using a mechanical USB keyboard on top of their laptop keyboard? I plan on lugging around my CM Storm TKL in a backpack with the laptop and was wondering if there were any concerns like wobbling, loss of screen view, etc. From what I can tell in pictures it should be totally fine, there is a keyboard lock option on it right? Reading the past few posts I guess I should also fear my heavy keyboard knocking off some keys underneath...yikes!

I think most of the time I'd be underclocking & undervolting since I like cool and silent when I'm at work, but I'm sure when I'm gaming I'll go for the overclocks. How easy is profile switching? I read that this machine has a newer less restricted version of Clevo's BIOS and does it have profile options?
If I use Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut on a delid and Kryonaut on IHS to copper block do you figure I could safely get the fans down to a speed I won't hear them at all in idle / while coding?

Do the Clevo laptops do signature checking on BIOS? If not I might consider investing in a chip programmer and play around there a bit. Is the P870KM1-G BIOS chip soldered or socketed?

Thanks!

 

Your questions are quite exotic.

@Prema BIOS is a must on a Clevo laptop - it makes it complete.

I'm not sure how you want to place a mechanical keyboard on top of it though - all the other questions need to be answered by people who know more -- but about keeping a mechanical keyboard, if you mean keeping it literally on top of the one that already exists, I *think* that as long as you're placing the rubber feet on plastic and not on actual keys, you should be fine.

I keep my keyboard on the table, it is wider than the laptop itself so I couldn't be able to use it on top of the laptop literally

 

Hi man, you will be very happy with this machine.

I highly recommend you get the delidded 7700K CPU to bring the temps down on the CPU. Also from my experience This Grizzly stuff was the worst out of all thermal pastes I used. I highly recommend Liquid Ultra between the CPU Die and the IHS and then IC Diamond between the IHS and the CPU heatsink, because IC Diamond is thicker, it will make better contact than Liquid Ultra on *these Clevo machines*

As for the overclock, what I did with my previous machine is set a 46x4 24/7 overclock and when I'm not benchmarking or doing anything that needs all the juice, I simply put the power plan to Balanced which puts the CPU at a lower clock speed until something that demands it runs then it bumps up the speed. This helps keep the temps down and not run the CPU at its max speed all the time.

Heck, with Windows 10 Creators update, now you can define what clock speeds each plan rans for both battery AND Power.

see:



Since you will be an EVOC Gaming Team Member and join the club, I'll be happy to help you tweak your system once you get it

 

It's a nice keyboard, I got to use it when I used my friend's laptop.

But I'll still have to say the M18x keyboard is better.

 

Instead of using Windoze's Balanced/Power saving Power Plans you should instead use ThrottleStop. Nothing beats easy switching between 4 power profiles on the fly with a single key combo. Heck, I wouldn't touch M$ Morons nasty solutions with a 10-foot pole! Designed only for crippling your hardware's performance. Nothing good coming from the Redmond HQ bruh. They will now as well push out even more power gimping with "Crematory Update 2" this fall. Yeah, New Power Throttling features. This new features is coming due all the utter trash all the ODM's still create, aka all the JOKEBOOK's out there!! Don't give ****y advices. Damn, the Clevo's P870 series laptops ain't tablets or Micro$haft's own new ****y "notebooks".

 

Wow, they introduce even more intentional throttling. . .

Almost like things weren't on the edge already. . .

 

I use a ducky shine mechanical keyboard hooked up at home. Brown switches suit typing and gaming pretty well.

Otherwise I find most membrane keyboards pretty similar

 

Woo, Brown switches truly are the best! (they're awesome for programmers with an MMORPG addiction)

I sent a request to Sager's techsupport email to forward to Clevo regarding panel support for B173QTN01.4 and B173QTN01.2 in the BIOS/vBIOS of P870KM1-G and other models using the alternating dark lines B173QTN01.0 panel, didn't know where else to send it lol, gotta at least try though!
Hope you guys can have some sort of influence being one of their top customers, right?

Regarding the new Windows features, ehhh, it's not so bad, almost everything in Windows can be changed through gpedit or registry tricks so nothing to bother me. My Windows 10 Pro looks just like Windows 7 actually, with the small taskbar with labels and OG start menu hehe. (StartIsBack Plus works miracles )
My only frustration nowadays seems to be the DPI scaling. It is a nightmare with fullscreen games! Any time DPI scaling is enabled, it takes like 4 seconds just to alt-tab out of a game.
Makes me afraid to get another 4K screen lol.

 

some guy called Baked on techinferno forum posted unlocked bioses for CLEVO - even for km series. Anyone tried it?

https://www.techinferno.com/index.p...locked-bios-for-clevo-dm-km-and-p6p4-series/&

 

My 3rd Acer Predator XB271HUA 1440P G-sync monitor has come. The triple/quad monitor testing report is nearly finished. This is will give curious individuals in the (P870KM1-G) laptop community some awareness into MST hubs, video splitters/adapters, max refresh rates, Nvidia surround setup and triple/quad G-sync monitor setups. I just been busy with the family and I
just wanted to keep you guys up to date kind regards

 

Scary for now! I wonder if the modder himself has tried it on a P870KM1-G? and if so what has he unlocked?
There is getting to be a lot of BIOS modders popping around lately! but you have to trust them with their work as it will effect your machine in the long run, that's if the BIOS has not been fully tested on that particular laptop/device.

Will @Prema sell unlocked Prema BIOS's if you haven't bought it off a Prema Clevo dealer? I know it is not for free! But what if someone is willing to pay a lot for a particular unlocked BIOS?
I'm really looking forward to the Prema BIOS for the P870KM1-G by the way

 

Rather hit up one of the known re-sellers taking about bricked laptops due ****y firmware mods out there. I'm sure you will find it

 

@Prema is constantly working on his Bios versions, I would trust him with his work.

 

I have a simple question for someone who may know. I have the sager 9873 (7700k with z170, sold briefly at the begining of the year after kaby lake release until clevo released the z270 motherboard) no major problems so far, besides the hot @$$ kaby lake in it, but thats intel not clevo or sager, loving the 2x1080 + 120Hz 1440p tho. Ok, back on track with my question, most times i open a full screen app (generally a game) a window opens allmost full screen with the device ip for the network im on, a blue/gray screen with the title FASer. If i turn on physx overlay the big obnoxious (stupid nvidia) physx 》cpu/gpu shows on it as well. So what is FASer?

 

Do you guys notice banding on the 120hz screen while gaming from normal distances, and does it make the display seem less sharp? There are so many different laptops with the 120hz screen nowadays, but I'm worried about spending thousands only to see that the display quality is subpar.

 

I didn't at normal distances. The 1440p was a good choice in my experience.

 

nope, when looking at it from normal viewing angles you don't see them. Heck, if someone didn't tell me they exist, I wouldn't have even thought of coming close to the screen to look for them.

See my review here, not the exact same model but same 120hz screen:
EVOC P870DM3 Review by Phoenix

As you can see from the review, I highly recommend you get it from HIDevolution as they offer the Prema BIOS and I wouldn't touch a Clevo machine without the Prema BIOS. In addition, those 7700K CPUs run very hot and they offer delidded CPUs and still cover the CPU warranty since they do it inhouse, with CPU delidding which is a must on these CPUs to be honest, you really need the CPU to be delidded even while running at stock speeds.

Since you're an NBR Forum member, if you email [email protected] with the specs you want, you can get a small discount.

Benefits of Prema BIOS:

• Restores user ability to overclock or underclock the CPU
• Restores user control over CPU power settings (voltage, watts, amps) for optimal performance and/or thermal efficiency
• Restores ability to control non-turbo CPU core ratio
• Restores ability to control CPU c-states and p-states
• Restores ability to control BCLK (northbridge) and FCLK (System Agent) frequency
• Restores ability to enable Intel Speed Shift Technology functionality
• Restores ability to disable Intel Software Guard Extensions (SGX) functionality which is intended for software developers who want to use that feature and causes erratic system behavior
• Restores ability to control RSR, Watchdog Timer, ASPM, ACPI sleep and hibernation functionality
• Restores ability to control RAM timings, clock speeds and enables the utilization of XMP profiles
• Restores ability to control selection of Legacy, UEFI and CSM to install whatever operating system is desired
• Restores ability to control CPU-based DEP, AES (encryption) and Virtualization
• Restores ability to control GPU scaling, PCIe speed and power management features
• Restores control over Thunderbolt and USB 3.1 configuration
• Restores control over SATA port configuration and Intel LPM. Having the ability to disable drive ports allows exclusive control over what drive receives the BCD/boot sector, system and recovery partitions during Windows Setup and eliminates the need to physically remove non-OS drives when installing a new OS.

 

i see none whatsoever on mine, i just checked after reading this (used DOOM[vulcan], witcher 3, and dirt rally) . i really do love this panel, from a few tests i saw somewhere on the net the advertised response time may/may not be the actual, depending on your set up, but the ONLY time i have ever seen any shred of ghosting is the opening of half life 2, right when you get off the train the ceiling has that multi-square pane glass that is common in warehouse type buildings(in real life, not the game) and if you spaz out with the mouse looking straight up you can see ghosting, but that is a not-in-real-world-usage scenario, and if i have to go that far out of my way to see it, oh darn. for a laptop panel its pretty, fast, and the optional screen calibration really made a difference for this tn panel, and the 120Hz is nice, especially with g-sync. gotta say, hearing someone over the kill cam in CSGO say 'how do you get such high fps' as they take an ak to the dome makes my day every time.

 

Also looking at the 16L-G-1080. It's only a 15 inch, but it's $1000 cheaper. I cannot decide if a bigger screen is worth it, especially if I don't get a performance increase. Will games run at higher FPS with one GTX 1080 (at 1080p) or with two GTX 1080s (at 1440p)?

 

Assuming the title supports SLI the 1080s at 1440p will be faster.

Also if it only supports one the card gets to use the vapor chamber for itself and can run faster.

 

As far as i can tell, this is the only 120Hz 1440p g-sync laptop on the market. In my opinion a 4k screen this size is superfluous, as dpi scaling in windows sucks, so good luck reading text in that native resolution with no scaling, the windows taskbar would only be a mm or 2 thick, also the dual 1080's will only have enough horsepower to push that screen at a reasonable fps if the game supports sli. if i only get 75-90's fps in witcher 3 WITH sli at 1440p, granted at max settings with hairworks maxed as well, imagine if no sli at 4k? Geralt would suddenly become a breakdancer doing the robot, even with gsync. 1440p is that sweet spot right now as one 1080 is good enough for some time to push that resolution. When i got my 9873 most clevo resellers also sold the 9173 with this panel which is that much thinner with 1 1080. Unfortunately sager at least no longer does, and as i now have mine i dont 'window shop' much anymore. But pairing a 1080 with a 1080p, although im sure nvidia chuckled when they named it, is also kinda dumb as that 1080 is not going to strech its legs with many games at that resolution, being bottlenecked by the cpu generally even with a 7700k. Most review sites didn't even include 1080p results when that card was released for that reason, with some even stating so. The panel is one of the main reasons i got this one. My recommendation if you go with it is to get the extra screen calibration. It is a TN panel so its color gamut is not the greatest and that calibration makes quite the difference in image quality and as an added bonus most resellers also include a 'no dead pixel guarantee' with it so you get a little bit of an insurance policy just for the screen.

 

Ugg, now I'm hearing that the 1440p 120hz display looks less sharp than a 1080p display. Is it really that bad? I just cannot seem to find a good high refresh-rate laptop with a display that isn't bad.

 

If you are comparing it to some of the uber fancy predator or rog high end gaming monitors, probably not but i'm not sure what you expect from a panel that is as thin as my samsung galaxy. Two things to keep in mind are that 1: as i mentioned before the fact that it is a TN panel takes away from its color gamut, but as i stated above the extra screen calibration is worth every penny and i personally can not decipher the difference from this panel to some ips 1080 panels ive compared it with. And 2: as for sharpness i say that claim is ludicrous. 1440p desk monitors start at either 24" or 27". This is a 17" panel meaning the ppi is much much (one more for good measure) much higher on this panel than anything you are going to find for a desktop. If tou doubt that do the math ( im too lazy right now) 2550 times 1440 total pixels then use Pythagorean theorem a^2+b^2=c^2 where a=16x and b=9x (16:9 aspect ratio) and c=17^2, or 24/27^2 depending on the smallest available desktop monitor, to get the size of the panel in inches square then divide total pixels by square inches and poof, even just looking at the numbers without the math or just cheating and comparing 17 to 24 or 27, if its 27 you are looking at thats the same resolution in 2/3 the space. To be honest, i cant see any pixels in this panel, and i tried looking. All i got was a smudge on it from my nose and minor eye strain for a few minutes. I would not be suprised if the ppi on this panel rivaled some of the 4k panels in normal monitors just based on that math. To clarify, i play one game, csgo, where the 120Hz comes in to play, otherwise i am an eye candy gamer ( which is why i absolutely love g-sync) and could care less about that, in fact this is my first panel over 60Hz. I do enjoy it in any game for the decreased latency, but all my statements about image quality are based on that preference. If it looked like @$$, trust me when i say that for what i paid for this machine, you would not need this forum to now my opinion as i the expletives would be loud enough all you would need to do is open your window.

 

There is no perfect display tech that has no downsides at the moment (Cost/power/size/response time/viewing angles/weight).

 

hey there man, would you please check out my posts in the 9873 thread? as you are a company rep for the supplier of my awesome rig of the same model number, maybe you have two cents you could contribute to a minor problem im having. im trying the whole forum thing before i bother your tech support, even if your ony comment IS just call tech support, a professional opinion is never a bad thing.

 

To sum things up in a simpler language: Are native 1440p a good idea on 17"? Probably not.

I have 1440p on 25", it provides the same pixel densitiy as 1080p at 17.3", and it looks pretty good. I wouldn't want higher density, even like this, it can get hard to read small text...

 

Same here about the pixel density. I have (3X) 27" 1440P 165Hz TN G-sync external monitors and my P870KM1-G has an LG 1080P 75Hz IPS G-sync display. The colours are astonishing with no BLB hardly. I went for the 1080P display, just in case newer graphically demanding games come out in the future, it will still be able to play them over 60+ FPS. I can't see why having a 1440P on a 17" screen is any good. But I do understand that having a fast refresh rate is great for G-sync gaming. But each to their own I guess. Not everyone likes dunking their Jaffa cakes in tea I know I do though

 

Now I am really curious what Jaffa cakes are!

As for resolution, 1440 p will look awful on 17.3" if native, it is about the resoltuon itself, I'm having absolutely perfect vision and 1440 on 25" has pretty small text and such...

I would love a monitor with better framerates, but am not dying for it - my work needs perfect colors - that's what I'm going for!

Also, G-sync is pretty cool in reality, the FHD screen on P775 and P870 both have G-sync and it looks pretty good. But this beast can achieve fluid full 60fps with no G-sync on all titles at FHD and even at 1440...

 

True about the beast going over 60 FPS on 1080P in todays gaming. But Nvidia HairWorks on The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt is only the beginning what will the future bring.

A Jaffa cake is a delicious cake/biscuit-like structure consisting of a small soft genoise sponge with a luxury chocolate cap covering a veneer of orange jelly that's not too sweet and not too rich. AAAaahhh Jaffa cakes.

Jaffa cakes HALF PRICE

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/pro...VAbftCh2ZCgvNEAQYASABEgK2R_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

You probably don't have them in your country i'm gussing?

 

Don't dunk them in tea on your first time. Learn the texture first. Trust me

 

Woah, that looks tasty! We don't have them under this name in Romania, but we have a similar substitute that is quite good! I just didn't know what you were talking about!

About HairWorks, funny thing, never played Witcher 3 here - still need to find time to dwell into it. Let's see now if we can push this laptop.

 

You need a good couple of weeks for something like the wither 3 and that's if you don't get side tracked

 

Please no... My deadlines are almost killing me as I am - simply cannot... So sad though - people seem to love it to bits...

 

I got all 3 in a steam sale and really only because of all the great reviews and the great sale, i think like $30 somthing for the bundle. Personally have not had a chance to get into them much but i do like to open 3 Just to oogle. The graphics really are as amazing as they say, especially with all the eye candy on.

 

Just be careful you don't get sucked in until you have the time then,

 

Uff, never got used to the battle system in Witcher or Gothic. It was a frustrating experience!

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The combat system of Witcher 1 is vastly different from Witcher 2 and 3. Almost entirely different games, lol.

 

*stressed laugh*

Its not like stress and deadline will make me too stressed to play games though, right?

On a more serious note, I really don't have the //time// to get into Witcher 3 at the moment, but I will as soon as I can, especially since everyone everywhere loves it so much...

 

Approximately how many hours will it take to complete the game taking into account the leveling need to be done in order to defeat the major bosses if you are beginner?

Also how much FPS to expect playing it on Ultra settings w/ hair works on at 1440P with my rig below?

 

Took me about 70 hours to finish. With that config you should be able to push 100fps. With single 1080, I am getting 43fps on 4K and about 93 fps on FHD, on ultra settings. Thing about Witcher 3 is that it recommend itself to replays. It is such an immersive world with a wonderful story line and combat mechanism.

 

70 hrs completing everything from contracts to main & side quest? So if I play for 8 hrs during weekend only, It would take me more or less 2 months to finish the game lol.

 

Nope. I wasn't anywhere near finishing all secondary quests. Maybe 60% of all side quests. Also, you have to keep difficulty levels in mind.


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I meant Witcher 2, 3 and Gothic 3 of course!

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