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    *** Official Clevo P870KM1/P870KM1-G/Sager NP9876 Owner's Lounge! - Phoenix 3.0 ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Jan 5, 2017.

  1. Lynx2017

    Lynx2017 Notebook Evangelist

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    gpu usage is at 99-100%, I just got done with a 3 hour session of FFXIV MMO and the GPU did get to 79 Celsius and it was at around 1990 on the core the entire time I was playing. Maybe I just got a lucky chip?
     
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    Yeah... I don't even know. Your chip must be jesus. I actually still don't believe it though.

    Can you run the game windowed for a bit and run HWiNFO64 on the side and take a screenshot of the game and HWiNFO64 showing clockspeeds/TDP/etc at the same time after playing for a bit? I want to see this. After you launch the game reset the HWiNFO64 graph so that it keeps the high clockspeed as the minimum and your average will look good, and play for idk 10-15 minutes then take the shot?

    Forgive my skepticism. I just need to see this.
     
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    Accidentally posted in the wrong model thread (P870DM). In any case can't wait to get my hands on this laptop.
     
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    Undervolted i7 7700k Maximum Stress Test Temperature Video!

    I have finally preformed an under-volt on the I7 7700k on my P870KM1. This video contains a full 10 minute of a CPU Stress test on Intel(R) Extreme Tuning Utility, finished off with a full bench of Unigine valley benchmark program on a warm day with fans set to full. Please jump to time: 16:49 for full statistics of temperatures. I thought a video would be more genuine than a screenshot. Enjoy!

     
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    Caas Notebook Guru

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    My CPU is thermal throttling in games. First time it reached 99 degrees today, which is very worrying. Anyone knows whether this is normal? 7700k overclocked by hidevolution to 4.7ghz.
     
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    Do you have the back raised slightly and what game and what load %?

    The skylake lids are in next week according to the sales team at bitspower.
     
  7. Caas

    Caas Notebook Guru

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    Yes, it is on a platform with back raised. Shadow Warriors 2 at ~95% load.

    What are the standard temps for a 4.7ghz 7700k?
     
  8. temp00876

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    @Mr. Fox here are the some pictures of the mod. Actually, I was following your u3 mod except for the fans :)
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG] - after testing the stock fans that came with the u3, I decided not to use them
    Fan pics
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    The u3 plus can fit three of the fans, but the case should be drilled to accommodate the last two screws of the third fan. I opted to use electrical tape instead.

    Before fan mod + vapor chamber (km1) upgrade @ambient 27C
    [​IMG]
    After fan mod + vapor chamber upgrade
    [​IMG]

    All I could say was that "I should have done this mod a long time ago".
     
  9. Mr. Fox

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    Awesome. That looks great, bro. Thanks for sharing. Will have to come back and give some rep once the system lets me give you more. Good job. :vbthumbsup:
     
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    Exactly :) And + rep Welcome to the Mod U3 club :vbthumbsup: Better late than never.
     
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  11. Mr. Fox

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    Yup, I came back later and gave brother @dspboys a big, juicy +5 rep point atta-boy for it.
     
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  12. Q937

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    You don't need to drill any holes. Packed perfectly, the three fans fit exactly on the rows with one extra hole compared to adjacent ones.
     
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    Not on the newer U3 Plus. You do need to drill screw holes for the outer fans. With the older U3 all of the holes line up perfectly for the screws. (I have both types of U3.) The perforated surface area on the newer U3 Plus is smaller and the outer fan screws on the left and right side go beyond the holes with the fans as close together as you can place them. The cut-out area in the back is also somewhat less desirable on the newer U3, and the aluminum is just a tad thinner. If the older U3 can be found, it is the better of the two for purchase. Sadly, when I find them they are usually more expensive than the U3 Plus as well.

    http://imgur.com/a/IGq3C
    Capture0.JPG Capture1.JPG
     
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    That's what I have, the U3 Plus. I can see from his photo that he has it in one of the narrower rows, so if he's only missing one hole for it to fit, then shifting it down or up one will work. I use the exact same fans and they pack tightly enough so they all barely fit.
     
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    @Q937 @Mr. Fox

    edit: indeed shifting the screws one column to the right and one row down fixed the issue
    [​IMG]
    thanks a lot for the help guys :)
     
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    qwerty0025 Notebook Guru

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    I had the issue. I hope you have it fixed by now, but if not check my post out. http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...e-stutter-temporary-fix.805220/#post-10532938
     
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    I fixed it like this: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...e-stutter-temporary-fix.805220/#post-10532938
     
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    They fit for me as well, all 4 screws. Both on left and right size. I think its all about how lucky you get with the pattern.
     
  19. Mr. Fox

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    It might also be the filters I was using required the fans be spaced further apart.
     
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  20. Robert Artenie

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    Hi guys, I'd like to know if there is any @Prema bios modifications for the P870KM-G, im making my purchase soon but my reseller (obsidian-pc) doesn't offer prema bios.
    I've seen that HID ( @Donald@HIDevolution) offers prema bios for P870KM-G, but is there any yet available? I'd pay if needed
     
  21. Mr. Fox

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    It is not yet available for the KM1 model. The only way to gain eligibility for the Prema BIOS mods is to purchase from a Prema Partner Shop. It is not authorized to be sold or purchased through an alternative channel. Be advised that the KM1 does not perform nearly as well as the P870DM3 because of crippled firmware. If you purchase now, just be aware it will not perform at its best and won't be able to until @Prema BIOS becomess available.
     
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    How much crippled is it? Would it overclock properly?

    Damn that's sad, so if I'm from Europe the only retailer that allows prema is in US. :(
     
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    I don't have one, but I think @Mobius 1 can share what his experience has been like with stock BIOS/EC crippling. I could be wrong, but I think you're probably OK with gaming, but overclocked benching suffers. I'll defer to him to clear that up for you. And, yes... it is sad. Clevo (actually nobody) should not be selling laptops with firmware castration. It is an evil way to treat customers, and all of them do it. It's like all of the notebook ODMs are on a genocide mission to ruin what they sell.
     
  24. jaybee83

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    not true, there are several prema partner shops in europe, just check www.premamod.com for details on those :) iirc there is a partner in poland as well as one in portugal...

    Sent from my HUAWEI NXT-AL10 using Tapatalk
     
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    Right but clevocenter.eu is poorly translated to english and does not offer delided CPU's with liquid TIM, neither lap and polish... they are also a bit overpriced....

    As for the polish website, they only offer P870 in SLI lol.

    I already asked Obsidian-pc to make me an custom order with only one 1070 because I don't need anything more powerfull. The order is on the way to their shop, not yet available, in 2-3 weeks or so maybe.

    If I go with a custom reseller I'd like to stick to one that offers the most features for me, thats HID but unfortunately outside EU.

    Obsidian-pc is just perfect for my situation ( John@OBSIDIAN-PC) but doesnt offer prema, which is sad.
     
  26. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    If you only plan on using a single 1070 then I wouldn't worry about throttle as that pulls nothing from the board compared to 1080 SLI.
    In that case I would just get the P775DM3 over the P870KM1 to save the extra cash required for purchasing a much larger and heavier SLI system, which you don't plan on using anyways.

    (P870KM1 only throttles with 1080 SLI and P775DM3 only throttles with 1080 (not 1070), so only for those configs you would need a premamod)
     
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  27. Robert Artenie

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    Thank you for your time. As far as I've seen your bios modifications mostly affect GPU settings, is there any other quirk and perk related to CPU (and overclocks)? I'll be mostly using all cpu power, multithreaded programmer here, and for video editing. Hell, if I could I would get a XEON based laptop with no GPU at all, but those are outdated.

    Hoping to see X299 or newer on Clevo any time.
     
  28. mobiousblack

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    I bought my laptop from HIDEVOLUTION.COM and it's on its way, during the configuration process it mentioned latest version of the Prema bios does that just mean I'll get it when it becomes available or are they running some sort of beta?
     
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    I forgot how it works, but basically you get a voucher to flash prema bios if buy system from obsidian. Not exactly sure.


    P870xx series has a 480w system board limitation with stock EC and a CPU limitation, I can't break 5GHz no matter what.


    Yes
     
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    This is just my opinion and I'm Definitely not an overclocking Guru. I have an 870DM2 from Eurocom I started with the stock bios then when It was ready, Eurocom flashed the @Prema bios. 90% of the adjustments in the bios are foreign to me. I have no clue what they do. I copied a full bios setting from @Mr. Fox and have basically left it alone. The point is, there's a million adjustments in the bios and that's not for the GPU. I don't have that Vbios yet. I'm not dumping on any reseller, but if I were you I would really look into a Prema partner. See which one will ship to your area. If you're going to spend that type of cash for a laptop, it might as well be the best.
     
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    I recently talked to Obsidian-PC and they offer 2 options:
    1. They offer their own custom bios, its true that with less features than Premas, but for more stable overclocks.
    2. Until Prema mod comes, i'd use their own bios. They've also told me, I quote: " @Prema as publicly stated on NotebookReview that he will flash his own BIOS to our customers, that are NBR members".
    By our customers I understand those who purchased through Obsidian-PC.

    @obsidian-PC is the closest (and probably best for my needs) reseller for me, I'm from Spain.
    Been talking to @obsidian-PC for a while and they were kind enough to answer all my questions with lot of details.

    And indeed, I agree with you, If I'm going to spend 3-4k for a laptop id be looking for the best, not only in terms of hardware
    but also support. If the support is good I dont mind spending a bit more.
     
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  32. John@OBSIDIAN-PC

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    Thank you man!
    Yeah that´s exactly it!
    And don´t forget that for Spain you get your 2 Year Warranty with Pickup and Return included.
    And shipping for Spain is also next day ;)
     
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    so coffeelake 6c coming around august-september.. prob be inside a clevo machine by end of this yr or early next year.

    intel is at it again, lga 1151 v2 lmao. i wonder if we really have to change socket or p870km would just work with it.
     
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    Probably not, same as 2011 rofl. **cough** Milking **cough** customers since forever...

    Im pretty sure that the future improvements in CPU's above Kaby Lake are pretty minimal, as they are getting closer and closer to the quantum tunneling problem. (transistor min gap)

    So unless they solve quantum tunneling, all they can bring to the table is chipset improvements (like from z170 to z270) and all other products like Octane.
     
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    Coffee Lake S i7 will have 6 cores. Now will the i5 be the same as previous Intel core i7 aka with HT :rolleyes: Intel will probably start with lower core multi and later increase with higher speed with next release :oops:
     
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    If that's true (and well since it's wccftech that's a big if) then Intel is ****ing retarded.
     
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    hope that will give AMD enough time to catch up in the mobile segmen :biglaugh:
     
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    The mobile segment → → → Everything BGA :no: 6 core BGA, oh'yeah
    [​IMG]
     
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    Yeh I gree with that but, hopefully Clevo makes a move with AMD when Vega will come. I mean cmon, Ryzen 1800X is 95 watts, 4 more watts than 7700k.

    Too bad AMD's X370 chipset offers no features like Thunderbolt 3 (or an alternative) and many other fancy stuff, by the time they come up with this, they will most likely go bankrupt.
     
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    Who would run stock 7700K? And don't expect Ryzen 1800X will use only 4w more powa with max load :vbbiggrin:
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    tbh i would say thats rather unfair comparison at this point. intel's silicon quality is the best in industry and not to mention glofo first gen 14nm can only hit about 4 - 4.1ghz, basically from 3.7 and above the amount of voltage needed increases exponentially which result in high power required, the same could be said for first generation broadwell intel 14nm chip, though they are a bit better.

    6 c would do nicely in a laptop, at 5ghz if we have a heatsink as big as p570wm with 2 fans.

    but i can picture it now, 6c BGA soldered with 1 fan and tiny heatsink ROFL.. all stock at like 3.3ghz 6 cores and overheat lolol
     
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    assuming lga 1151 v2 is their "new" socket then maybe safe to assume 10nm tigerlake will work in the same socket hopefully.
     
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    If not... Intel will shoot them self in the head!! And People will run from Intel!! Expect 2 revisions for same socket.
     
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    Yeah im done with mainstream processors. Will just get a good 12Core next year for the desktop and be done for another 3 years.
     
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    I'll probably do something similar. Go back to desktops probably and keep one laptop.
     
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    You don't need to drop frequencies much to get large power savings normally.
     
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    not frequency, voltage is whats more important imo. however with 6c, bga its gonna be HOT HOT
     
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    Finally got my unit, didn't take as long as I thought it would. Placed the order from HIDEvolution on the 10th of May and I got it today, that is factoring in shipping that took around 5 days (international). Time to push it through a couple of runs in 3dmark to make sure everything is up to code :D
     
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    please delete
     
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    Hey guys, new to this forum. Just wanted to stop by and say hi. I received my laptop back in March (specs below) from Origin PC and I love it, just received it back from a repair; screen had a dead pixel but besides that no issues. I am a noob when it comes to overclocking and I intend to mess around with it once I read up and understand a little more about what to do and how to do it lol. Sorry about the post above but I didn't realize that I entered my name when I registered so if someone could kindly delete the last message I would appreciate it.
     
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