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    *** Official Clevo P775DM2/3(-G)/P75xDM2(-G) (Sager NP9152/NP9172) WINGMAN 2.0/BATMAN 3.0 Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Aug 3, 2016.

  1. John@OBSIDIAN-PC

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    At this moment it is the latest from NVIDIA i think.
    We been using that without a problem.
    This might not always be the case, i will not update drivers without testing it first (at least i will always try to do that).
     
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    That would be a question for your reseller, which you did not identify.
     
  4. Georgel

    Georgel Notebook Virtuoso

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    That is good to keep in mind.

    So far your drivers seem stable. Still playing with them.

    Your drivers work as well with Prema Bios, or the tool should be avoided?
     
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    Should work just the same if you have Prema BIOS.
     
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    Big thank you for the driver tool!!!!

    Bugs (or possibly user error):-

    1. Card Reader is saying 10.0.14393.21292 installed but after several attempts 10.0.1493.21294 does not install.
    2. Touch Pad same thing with 19.3.4.44 and 19.3.4.58.
    3. Fingerprint is saying nothing installed but 5.5.204.24 is installed according to Device Manager

    Everything else seems tickety-boo!
     
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    Already on it!
    I just noticed something weird, no setup actually starts right?
    When you click the update button it downloads, but never actually triggers the setup.
    Chipset, IME, and others start the setup just fine, but some do not, like the ones you listed, this is something new, never had this bug before!
    I´m fixing that as we speak, i´m trying my best to keep the app 100% free of Asking for Administrator Permissions, so i will have to start those processes detached, should not make a difference to you guys.
     
  8. madeinholt

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    With 1. & 2. the setup process completes for both but after the system restart and a reload of 1.02.01
    Items 1. & 2. show as requiring update still, so for some reason the drivers have not installed.
     
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    What is your laptop model?
    It might be that the driver is marked wrong. I followed CLEVO website, but i´ve seen errors before.
    One thing im sure if it actually installed you are running the right version, so the error is in the server, i just need to check one by one for errors like that hahaha....
     
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    It's a Scan LG17 Carbon Extreme P775DM3-G
     
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    BIOS 1.06.05 now includes the [-] for the Core Voltage Offset and has a default value of 100 [-] which I was quite excited about.

    However the excitement is over... it resets to 100 [-] as soon as you Save and Reset [F4] exit the BIOS. :mad: So whatever you do, the BIOS resets the Core Voltage Offset every time, which just seems totally pointless.
     
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    New version is up.
    Reported bug are now fixed ;)
     
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    Almost there! Just fired up 1.02.02 and all is well apart from it now reporting Chipset 'Not Detected'. I have 10.1.1.38 installed, it went on first.
     
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    Chipset is the only driver which the app does not detect, it will save the latest version you run.
    Just fire it up click "install" and then cancel the installation and it will store the version.
    I need to find a way of reading the a .dll version and pass it to the app. I know how to do that in C++, but the same method does not work when i try to compile it in my current QT setup.
    Probably will be fixed in next update.

    All other drivers the app will get installed version from the running .dll from your system, or from registery, or even from .inf files in the driver install folder.
     
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    That did it, nice work John!
     
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    I also got the error where some of the drivers were signed as no driver present, whilst I did have a driver installed. My already installed drivers are directly from Clevo site.
     
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    Please try with the latest version.
    It should be all fixed.

    Enviado do meu MI 5 através de Tapatalk
     
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    For P750DM2-G owners: I calibrated my B156HTN05.2 using a X-Rite i1Display Pro, DisplayCAL v3.2.3.0 and ArgyllCMS v1.9.2. Set to sRGB, 6500K whitepoint, and 120cd/m^2 white level. Calibration speed was set to low. Profile quality was high, 1136 patches. Looks good to me, not washed out like with no calibration. Brightness was set to 30% as that was closest to 120cd/m^2. Full folder, including ICC profile: http://www.mediafire.com/file/zt5m96o14edh6s1/B156HTN05.2_#1_2017-02-08_18-09_120cdm²_0.3127x_0.329y_sRGB_S_XYZLUT_MTX.zip
     
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    Why have you used such a low point ofluma to calibrate? Shouldn'tt a calibration be done on 100% brightness - which is closer to 300cd/m2?
     
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    I don't know anything about this. DisplayCAL said to make the bars as close to the marks as possible. 30% was as close to 120cd/m^2. If that is wrong I will do it again at 100%.
     
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    It might be very right actually! :eek:

    I just use my display at 100% brightness almost 100% of the time and am learning about color calibration as well. I would never tone down the brightness of a laptop display - or a normal display. My eyes hurt when seeing something that's not lit enough and it gives me kinda like a headache or gives a sleepy mood.

    By any means - my preferences aren't a guideline for anyone - I am using an 1440P 25" display at it's native resolution, so I might be peculiar - I was curious since I also want to calibrate and I always noticed how calibrations are done at a custom gamma point. What I mean was more like: If you calibrate it at 120 CD/m2, wouldn't make the calibration change all it's curves and especially gamma curve at 300 or 350 cd/m2? :confused:

    It's more like a question, I'm just entry level on this!
     
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    Hey guys, I recently received my p750dm2 and it runs great on AC power, but pitifully slow on battery power; I realize everything downclocks due to lack of voltage and what not, it makes sense, but my chrome can't even stream twitch without hitching every 5 seconds and skipping frames. Youtube also hitches throughout a video. Yes i re-installed flash and chrome. Also set power plan to high performance. Does this seem normal to you guys? Card pumps out high frames on Dishonored 2 maxed out (on AC power) and Unreal Engine 4 editor runs incredibly fast but I can hardly move the mouse around the UI once I unplug.

    Here are my specs: 6700k 4.2, gtx 1070, 120hz panel (forced 60hz in nvidia control panel just to be sure), 16gb ram and 2 ssds.

    The only thing I can think of is that my battery is faulty, or all these desktop parts simply run like **** without proper voltage headroom. Any help would be greatly appreciated, hope I came to the right place for this!
     
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    Hi there!

    I'm using a P775 but I get poor performance as well while running on battery.

    Not that poor of a performance - but still quite bad.

    Not sure whether yours has a problem or if what you're experiencing is normal - so I will not make any commentaries about whether you should worry or not - but my Dota2 limits itself at 30fps while on battery, and the whole performance is quite low. The rest of the system runs quite smooth tho.
     
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    Check the power options when on battery and what the clocks are doing.
     
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    Thankyou for the responses. Power options are on high performance. Clock speeds go from ~4200mhz to ~2300mhz when unplugged, which is expected and is still plenty. CPU consumption sits at 10% on and off of the battery in the problematic aforementioned programs. If I have a twitch stream open, GPU usage is at 3% and all is well, and once unplugged, it immediately drops to 1% and the video hitches and lags consistently. Games, however, will use ~48% of the discrete GPU and run just fine on battery.

    This leads me to believe it has something to do with the onboard GPU, which I'm assuming uptakes desktop/browsing responsibilities once on battery power. I'll continue to troubleshoot! Thanks again guys.
     
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    This is physically impossible, the dGPU is directly connected to the eDP port on the LCD. The iGPU is not electrically connected.
     
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    Oh ok that's good know lol thanks!! Do you have any ideas what it might be then? I refuse to believe a powerful laptop like this devolves to an iphone 2 once unplugged.
     
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    It's hard to say what happens. You would generally see a clock difference and such. I can run deus Ex Mankind divded at max / ultra / 1440P but Facebook pages will sometimes be laggy on me with fullAC power, so maybe internet browsing is not best because of Chrome and other considerations.
     
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    Make sure your video drivers are up to date and check your power settings in the nvidia control panel.
     
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    So for anyone that's also looking into getting a P775DM3 like myself, AVAdirect has the GTX 1080 upgrade from the 1060 on sale, down from like $600 to just $100.

    I was going to get mine with a 1070 but that's actually more expensive now oddly enough.

    Also their quote system is OP. I emailed myself a quote for the laptop with the $100 1080, and it holds that price for a whole year.

    I say jump on this now if you will be able to afford it within the year.


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    That is sick. I just did a quote for me aswell.
    Sadly they are not prema partners. But same build on prema partners is $700 more expensive!
    If I was unsure where to buy.... Now I'm even more.
     
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    You can always flash Prema yourself, I got my current laptop (P650SG) from xoticpc and flashed Prema onto it.
     
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    Only if Prema decides to sell to individuals, at the moment the only way to get one is to buy a laptop from a Prema partner
     
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    Oh boy, I just checked and yeah, I hadn't realized that it wasn't like 2 years ago, I just assumed it was still go to Prema's website/download bios/flash/profit


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    The problem was he did not profit at all, he lost money hosting them IIRC.
     
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    Hey guys, I am looking to buy a SAGER NP9152 soon as a graduation present for myself :). I found this forum and need some advice.

    First off why is Prema bios good? Can someone link me to an info page or something?

    And finally, should I get a 1060 or something better?

    I am a moderate gamer but my work involves 3D modeling, rendering and VR in the near future. I want this pc to last around ~6 years if I can. I know that seems crazy but I am coming from a 2012 lower middle teir machine that serves me OK right now. I will also configure a 7700k and nvme 4 lane ssd and 16 gigs of 2800 ram for sure - but its the gpu I am not sure about. Do I need the crazy power of a 1080 or not? Is the difference between a 1060 and 1080 really even that big? Even my desktop right now has a 970 in it and I am hearing the 1060 does better than it even in a laptop chassis. I keep seeing VR READY for these machines but am worried the base level enjoyment will jump to like a 1080 for some reason... I also plan to get a 1080p screen since I see continuous reports of better color.

    My budget is 2400 but that could potentially move up to accommodate a beefier gpu.

    Pardon me if I seem annoying or if there is somewhere better to ask these questions.
     
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    Benefits of Prema BIOS:


    • Fixes the biggest issue with these Clevo laptops where they would throttle the CPU as low as 2.5 GHz the moment both the CPU & GPU are under load due to current issues with the Clevo Stock BIOS/EC Firmware.
    • The ability to disable other drives connected to your system without physically removing them from your laptop, this comes in handy when installing Windows as you never want to have more than one drive connected at the time you are installing Windows otherwise the Windows setup will place the boot files on the 2nd drive it sees which hurts performance and makes it a headache when creating system images or restoring since the boot files are not on the main drive.
    • The ability to overclock, increase Turbo Power Limits and System IA/Core Current Limits
    • The ability to enable Intel Speed Shift Technology (it is disabled in the stock BIOS)
    • The ability to run RAM with speeds higher than the standard 2133 MHz. I am not talking about overclocking here, I am talking about actual RAM sticks that are rated to run at 2800 MHz for example like the G.Skill 64GB 2800 MHz kit I have. With the stock BIOS, they will not run above 2400 MHz. In the case of the P870DM3, the stock BIOS now supports up to 2666 MHz. I believe but not more, so the Prema BIOS is a must again
    • Fixes the instability with the G.Skill 3000 MHz. RAM using XMP Profile 1 with timings of 16-18-18-18 where in the stock BIOS you would have constant crashes or not be able to boot altogether so you’re forced to use XMP Profile 2 which is slower with 18-18-18-18 timings.
    • The ability to enable CSM for those who want to install other OSes like Windows 7
    • The ability to undervolt the CPU as the stock voltage is way too high which causes the CPU to overheat much quicker and thus throttle under load.
    • The ability to enable or disable CPU AES instructions or Virtualization
    • The ability to disable hibernation from the BIOS
    • Sets the default keyboard lights from blue to white which suits more tastes

    Benefits of Prema VBIOS:


    • Power throttle disabled
    • Over-voltage slider enabled and adjusted (up to a maximum of 1.2v)
    • Activated and adjusted thermal slider (to keep it cooler if desired)
    • Core overclock slider limit raised
    • Power consumption meter activated
    • Fixed 3D voltage base-line in order to stabilize OCs and voltage-match both cards in SLI systems (based on average ASIC)
    • Thermal protection @ 92c (once*91c are breached the system throttles volts and clocks in order to protect it)
    • Protection against Furmark and Kombustor GPU burnout (AVOID those software even with stock vBIOS)!
     
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    I finally got my first socketed laptop :) At 45 and after reading for months NRB, I thought it was time for me to try to do things right and follow the path of big guy's (with a lot of humility) ;-)
    Unfortunately, it's not yet mine as this one is for a friend :( But nevermind, next month I will order mine. Config is P751 DM2G, i5 7600k and 1060, 16GB (2x 8GB G Skill F4 2133 c15, LG Philips LP156WF6, Sandisk X400)

    Got it from Obsidian @john@obsidian Service was top class until now (delidded, Grizzly Conductonaut, mod copper coolers) and very friendly. Thanks to them.

    I would like to run some test but never did it... What should I do or read? @Papusan, @Mr. Fox , @Phoenix (will give you my feedback on the keyboard but till now it seems better than I 've feared except the arrow and shift key position) and others. Thanks

    PS: Till now, I've just installing latest driver, HWINFO and one more disk (Sandisk extrem pro SSD) and dowloading games for testing.
     
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    I believe @metaldemon95's comment was meant to say whoever flashes the BIOS will profit from Prema's hard work, and not in regards to Prema making a profit.
     
  40. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    Nice benchmarks for you :)
    wPRIME v1.5 [Run as admin. Select 8 threads in advanced settings. Then fire up 1024M] - CINEBENCH_R11.5 - CINEBENCH_R15 - 3DMark11 - 3DMark
     
  41. Mr. Fox

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    Sadly, many abuse kindness and charity by offering nothing... sometimes not so much as a simple "thank you" and even more often no donation. And, it's not just Brother @Prema. I'd venture a guess that almost all firmware modders and software developers that offer their talents from a generous heart and only asking for free-will donations get the same kind of gosh-awful selfish treatment.

    The all take and no give can be discouraging, and when some steal the work and redistribute it for the purpose of personal gain it's even more disheartening. Then, there are the idiots that feel they are somehow magically entitled to everything and they get belligerent when their access to it gets blocked. That type of moron really make me want to hurt them almost as much as the people criminals that steal it with an intent to call it their own and redistribute it, LOL.
     
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    Hardware mods are fun too, you really can't get anything back and you just get abuse if someone messes it up :p
     
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    Yup... mistakes are always someone else's fault, LOL. It all started with an apple and a lying snake... "the woman gave me and I did eat" ...in spite of the warning.
     
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    Yeah, when I said profit I meant it as you actually have a bios that lets you have some control over the laptop hardware.

    And @Mr.Fox, I in no way meant profit from redistribution, people who do that stuff are scum man

    I'm just a bit bummed that my option right now is stock bios or pay like $800 more to get the laptop from someone that will put Prema on it.




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    Alas if anyone would buy the Bios files from Prema the chances are it'll end up in too many hands that didn't pay for it. I believe the Prema partners can even install it remotely if needed so the user doesn't get the actual files.

    If Prema could set up a way to let someone else install it remotely on other people's (non Prema partner bought) laptops I think he could make more money than he is now. Obviously he can't do it himself, he won't have time to work on bioses anymore.

    Alternatively Prema partners could charge for the service...
    Either way, too many people now are refused access to it and that helps no one.
     
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    I'd pay for that, I wouldn't mind someone like Obsidian being able to link in and flash the BIOS on my P775DM 3 for a fee. I know it would invalidate my warranty with the UK distributor, but as long as I can access the BIOS I could flash it back if I ever had to send it in for repair.
     
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    That is a fantastic idea!

    It would also be cheaper to pay to fly John over to UK for a weekend, than it is to actually buy from a Prema partner.
     
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    viw Notebook Consultant

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  49. John@OBSIDIAN-PC

    John@OBSIDIAN-PC Company Representative

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    Humm you guys are mixing things, im not a prema partner so i cant flash his BIOS in your system unless you have his authorization and the files, i do not have it, nor i was given authorization to flash anything in anyone laptop.

    But, actually flashing a BIOS is simple you do not need to fly someone there, just need to have the developer to want you to have it, simple.
    For a reseller or prema, it is easy to be granted access to your unit and remote flash it.
     
  50. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    A bit low on these Cinebench tests. Most likely due Hwinfo that run in the background and brings the score down. Otherwise... Best of luck with your new "socket" machine :)
     
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