Hey,
So, I just purchased a Sager NP9152 (Clevo P750DM2-G) from XoticPC who is listed as a Prema partner. However, through email correspondence, they said they only offer Prema mods for XoticPC exclusive units. So, is there no way I can get the Prema BIOS for my system?
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Ah, good. What a relief > 1060 won't have a throttle problem as it pulls like half the power of the 1080.
I got a bit worried there for a moment as I have spent a lot of time to remove the throttle values...
P.S.: Sorry, 'GPU s' was a typo on my end, of course I meant just GPU.Last edited: Jan 28, 2017Papusan likes this. -
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The moment you OC it drops CPU back to about 4Ghz, hence we dubbed it 'fake overclock' which goes hand in hand with NVIDIA's so called 'OC' which does the same thing. The more we overclock the less we get out of the chips.
So let's fix that...Last edited: Jan 28, 2017 -
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Any experience with the Eurocom Sky X4E2 (P750)??
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On a separate note, my NP9152 literally just shipped so I'm curious if it will have any sort of undervolt applied stock.
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I am hoping I can get some @Prema magic for it.
Also nice desktop xDLast edited: Jan 28, 2017 -
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Also I am curious. Is the 120Hz screen the AUO B156HTN05.2 that you mentioned in another thread? If so, would you recommend the ICC profile linked here? -
@lex112278 yes and yes.
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@madeinholt the stock BIOS doesn't have the voltage sign (positive or negative) option enabled. It is always set to positive.
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The tooltip on the right in the BIOS tells you, you can set a + or - offset from X value to X value, but if you type - sign nothing happens
the way it's done in the Prema BIOS is right under the value of the voltage offset, there is a + or - option which they forgot to include -
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It has been passed on but BIOS validation/feedback reaction is not quick. -
Was mostly just a thought and not anything really practical. Better off waiting for @Prema magic xDTentenkun likes this. -
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Gutted. Was hoping this had been resolved on the P775DM3. Being in the UK (and not wanting to import) the Prema Partner route is not an option. FFS Clevo, how difficult can it be?
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@Q937 @lex112278 I would hope American Megatrends has better coders than that.
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Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative
when you know the benefits of the Prema BIOS, you wouldn't ever buy a Clevo laptop without it
email donald@hidevolution.com , as an NBR member, he can offer you a discount
HIDevolution has a global international warranty which covers shipping costs both ways should anything go wrong with the laptop, or if a small parts needs changing that you can change yourself, they'll send it to you for free and pay the shipping with your global warranty. This is a must for International Customers like us
Here are the Prema BIOS Benefits:
Benefits of Prema BIOS:
- Fixes the biggest issue with these Clevo laptops where they would throttle the CPU as low as 2.5 GHz the moment both the CPU & GPU are under load due to current issues with the Clevo Stock BIOS/EC Firmware.
- The ability to disable other drives connected to your system without physically removing them from your laptop, this comes in handy when installing Windows as you never want to have more than one drive connected at the time you are installing Windows otherwise the Windows setup will place the boot files on the 2nd drive it sees which hurts performance and makes it a headache when creating system images or restoring since the boot files are not on the main drive.
- The ability to overclock, increase Turbo Power Limits and System IA/Core Current Limits
- The ability to enable Intel Speed Shift Technology (it is disabled in the stock BIOS)
- The ability to run RAM with speeds higher than the standard 2133 MHz. I am not talking about overclocking here, I am talking about actual RAM sticks that are rated to run at 2800 MHz for example like the G.Skill 64GB 2800 MHz kit I have. With the stock BIOS, they will not run above 2400 MHz. In the case of the P870DM3, the stock BIOS now supports up to 2666 MHz. I believe but not more, so the Prema BIOS is a must again
- Fixes the instability with the G.Skill 3000 MHz. RAM using XMP Profile 1 with timings of 16-18-18-18 where in the stock BIOS you would have constant crashes or not be able to boot altogether so you’re forced to use XMP Profile 2 which is slower with 18-18-18-18 timings.
- The ability to enable CSM for those who want to install other OSes like Windows 7
- The ability to undervolt the CPU as the stock voltage is way too high which causes the CPU to overheat much quicker and thus throttle under load.
- The ability to enable or disable CPU AES instructions or Virtualization
- The ability to disable hibernation from the BIOS
- Sets the default keyboard lights from blue to white which suits more tastes
Benefits of Prema VBIOS:
- Power throttle disabled
- Over-voltage slider enabled and adjusted (up to a maximum of 1.2v)
- Activated and adjusted thermal slider (to keep it cooler if desired)
- Core overclock slider limit raised
- Power consumption meter activated
- Fixed 3D voltage base-line in order to stabilize OCs and voltage-match both cards in SLI systems (based on average ASIC)
- Thermal protection @ 92c (once*91c are breached the system throttles volts and clocks in order to protect it)
- Protection against Furmark and Kombustor GPU burnout (AVOID those software even with stock vBIOS)!
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@madeinholt unlike @Phoenix I wouldn't suggest you purchase a laptop from the US, but I strongly suggest you look around other European resellers. UK resellers may be cheaper, but folks like @John@OBSIDIAN-PC have top notch support and services that are worth every single pound.dm477 likes this. -
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@Q937 then there's nothing stopping you from loading the UEFI module for the setup into IDA and auditing the code for that kind of bug.
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As for warranty, you still have to ship it somewhere in most cases...so once you give it to the carrier, you just have to wait for it to come back, and HIDevolution tends to be much faster with turning around most warranty claims than the manufacturers. We offer either a US, or Global Warranty on all Clevo and MSI based EVOC laptops. The only difference is who pays the shipping cost. HIDevolution.com Global warranties cover 2 instances per year of 2 way international shipping (by FedEx, DHL, or USPS/EMS - at HIDevolution's discretion) should the system and/or parts need to be sent back to the US for warranty related repair or replacement.
See...no real reason to have an aversion to importing to the UK, Australia or the EU.
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Too bad the Global warranty options raise the price so much. It would still be worth, I paid 240€ for 2 day shipping from Italy to Portugal, I can't imagine how much would it be to ship a laptop to the US and back.
Still, with all the good resellers we have in EU, a 600€ extra (the equivalent of your 2 year global with a configuration as similar as possible to mine) for a prema system seems a bit too much to me
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Price in Euro using configuration tools for PM750 DM2, 1070, i5 7600k (all dellidded), no disk, no ram, 2 year warranty.
Some differences between the 3 offers:
- Laptopparts4less: no dead pixel warranty, but 240 sata GB, 8gb ram and OS included, no Prema BIOS, dunno if they use LM or standard paste
- Obsidian: own tweaked BIOS, warranty awarded if buyer use Prema BIOS
- Hide: Prema BIOS, US warranty (so shipping costs for buyer if RMA needed)
I guess @Prema will earn a lot of money in Europe if he sells his BIOS directly for, let's say, the half of this price tag ;-)
But I agree, it's not really a problem of import taxes...
Hidevolution Obsidian Laptopparts4less
2,009.00 € 1,568.00 € 1,642.00 €
Shipping 32.80 € 32.80 € 16.40 €
Import taxes 3% 61.25 €
Fee 30.00 €
VAT 21% 441.64 € 336.17 € 348.26 €
Total 2,574.70 € 1,936.97 € 2,006.66 €Last edited: Jan 29, 2017Georgel, madeinholt and steberg like this. -
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I had been hounding this UK reseller to try and persuade Clevo to open up the BIOS a bit more, I have also been hinting heavily that they should perhaps contact Prema and consider his BIOS scheme for their top-end systems. This reseller also has a commercial front which currently has barebones distribution rights with Clevo for all of Europe, so their clout with Clevo must be substantial. It is just a shame they did not want to know or are just not interested. Or is it Clevo not listening?
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I wonder if other resellers are willing to modify existing P775DM3-G systems for a price.
I wouldn't mind paying to ship off my system just to have the bios and other things reconfigured.
That said, I've seen people complain about their systems throttling etc. I haven't encountered that yet. So I'll count myself lucky for now. -
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