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Hey,

So, I just purchased a Sager NP9152 (Clevo P750DM2-G) from XoticPC who is listed as a Prema partner. However, through email correspondence, they said they only offer Prema mods for XoticPC exclusive units. So, is there no way I can get the Prema BIOS for my system?

 

I don't have multiple GPU's as this is the P775 thread not the P870 thread. I'm at work right now so only have access to one with a GTX 1060, but that one doesn't throttle the CPU if the GPU is overclocked, and I know my one at home was the same. Can't post a link as 3D Mark says the GPU is not recognised even though it clearly states it's a GTX 1060 in the 3DMark system information section

 

I'll try to help people out here and there once partner shops are served...

Ah, good. What a relief > 1060 won't have a throttle problem as it pulls like half the power of the 1080.
I got a bit worried there for a moment as I have spent a lot of time to remove the throttle values...

P.S.: Sorry, 'GPU s' was a typo on my end, of course I meant just GPU.

 

I was originally replying to this comment

With regards to no overclocking. With my 1080 system I don't get CPU throttling when using the non overclocked GPU. I'm not saying that your BIOS's aren't better, only that I don't get throttling using the stock BIOS and no overclocking on the GPU

 

then count your blessings my friend. This isn't the norm

 

From our testing @John@OBSIDIAN-PC you can get a P775DM3 system with 1080 to not throttle at stock clocks if you undervolt the CPU and cool it well.
The moment you OC it drops CPU back to about 4Ghz, hence we dubbed it 'fake overclock' which goes hand in hand with NVIDIA's so called 'OC' which does the same thing. The more we overclock the less we get out of the chips.
So let's fix that...

 

I'm not disagreeing that it throttles when overclocking the GTX 1080 GPU as I haven't tried that, just that it doesn't on stock. I have noticed that the new BIOS's come with it already set to under-volt the CPU

 

Yes, they have improved since the last generation, let's push them to do even better next time.

 

Any experience with the Eurocom Sky X4E2 (P750)??

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Awesome! Thanks!

On a separate note, my NP9152 literally just shipped so I'm curious if it will have any sort of undervolt applied stock.

(EDIT: I'm an idiot.)

 

Negative.

 

Yeah, I'll have to fix that..

 

Congrats on your purchase of the P750DM2-G. Your configuration is pretty much identical to mine. It's worthwhile to delid the i7-7700k because things can quickly get hot. You should apply liquid metal direct to the die and IC Diamond to the IHS. You can easily do a -100mV undervolt at the stock clocks, if not more. Both these combined will bring the temperatures into a much more comfortable range. @Prema magic does really help bring the most out of this machine, but you will need to wait to see what he will offer for non-partner purchases.

 

Thanks! Yeah, I'm still deciding if I want to delid or not. Haven't bothered since Ivy Bridge. I'm prolly going to repaste with mx4 when I get it and see if I can't get a -150mv undervolt or even -160mv. From what I've read I won't be able to do it through the BIOS without Prema. But, I'm wondering if there are other ways I might be able to apply an undervolt from within an OS.

I am hoping I can get some @Prema magic for it.

Also nice desktop xD

 

Use @unclewebb ThrottleStop: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/

Thank you.

 

Awesome! Thanks!!

Also I am curious. Is the 120Hz screen the AUO B156HTN05.2 that you mentioned in another thread? If so, would you recommend the ICC profile linked here?

 

@lex112278 yes and yes.

 

Can the undervolt now be set in the stock Clevo BIOS?

 

@madeinholt the stock BIOS doesn't have the voltage sign (positive or negative) option enabled. It is always set to positive.

 

That's a bit of a shocker - thought they would have sorted that out by now or do Clevo just not listen?

 

Yeah I informed Mr. @Meaker@Sager about it a while back and he has sent a message to Clevo about it.

The tooltip on the right in the BIOS tells you, you can set a + or - offset from X value to X value, but if you type - sign nothing happens

the way it's done in the Prema BIOS is right under the value of the voltage offset, there is a + or - option which they forgot to include

 

Hrm. I'd assume there's some sort of range of values it accepts.. but if not in theory you could overflow the value and get a negative number.

 

really? how can you set a negative value if there is no +/- option and you cannot enter a - sign in the field?

 

Unless a negative value is set in XTU in which case the sign is set to negative.

It has been passed on but BIOS validation/feedback reaction is not quick.

 

If there was no value limit (which I'm assuming there is) and depending on the type of value they used (honestly at the point you would know this information you could probably make your own BIOS for it).. you could put in some obscenely large number which when stored would be large enough to flip the bit used for telling whether the value is positive or negative.

Was mostly just a thought and not anything really practical. Better off waiting for @Prema magic xD

 

I have no idea what you're talking about......

 

The first bit in standard two's complement signed integers represents the sign. If the input isn't validated, you could input a number whose unsigned representation has a 1 in this position. For example, for 8 bits, unsigned 128 is 10000000, which is -128 for signed.

 

ok that's better

 

Of course, I would highly recommend against actually doing this. You have no idea what the underlying representation is or if they clip or otherwise silently validate the value.

 

Gutted. Was hoping this had been resolved on the P775DM3. Being in the UK (and not wanting to import) the Prema Partner route is not an option. FFS Clevo, how difficult can it be?

 

@Q937 @lex112278 I would hope American Megatrends has better coders than that.

 

I believe @John@OBSIDIAN-PC are based in Portugal and Prema partners. It might be worth getting in touch with them and finding out.

 

either buy it from a Prema Partner or don't mate. I live in Dubai and I had to pay import taxes as well

when you know the benefits of the Prema BIOS, you wouldn't ever buy a Clevo laptop without it

email donald@hidevolution.com , as an NBR member, he can offer you a discount

HIDevolution has a global international warranty which covers shipping costs both ways should anything go wrong with the laptop, or if a small parts needs changing that you can change yourself, they'll send it to you for free and pay the shipping with your global warranty. This is a must for International Customers like us

Here are the Prema BIOS Benefits:

Benefits of Prema BIOS:

• Fixes the biggest issue with these Clevo laptops where they would throttle the CPU as low as 2.5 GHz the moment both the CPU & GPU are under load due to current issues with the Clevo Stock BIOS/EC Firmware.
• The ability to disable other drives connected to your system without physically removing them from your laptop, this comes in handy when installing Windows as you never want to have more than one drive connected at the time you are installing Windows otherwise the Windows setup will place the boot files on the 2nd drive it sees which hurts performance and makes it a headache when creating system images or restoring since the boot files are not on the main drive.
• The ability to overclock, increase Turbo Power Limits and System IA/Core Current Limits
• The ability to enable Intel Speed Shift Technology (it is disabled in the stock BIOS)
• The ability to run RAM with speeds higher than the standard 2133 MHz. I am not talking about overclocking here, I am talking about actual RAM sticks that are rated to run at 2800 MHz for example like the G.Skill 64GB 2800 MHz kit I have. With the stock BIOS, they will not run above 2400 MHz. In the case of the P870DM3, the stock BIOS now supports up to 2666 MHz. I believe but not more, so the Prema BIOS is a must again
• Fixes the instability with the G.Skill 3000 MHz. RAM using XMP Profile 1 with timings of 16-18-18-18 where in the stock BIOS you would have constant crashes or not be able to boot altogether so you’re forced to use XMP Profile 2 which is slower with 18-18-18-18 timings.
• The ability to enable CSM for those who want to install other OSes like Windows 7
• The ability to undervolt the CPU as the stock voltage is way too high which causes the CPU to overheat much quicker and thus throttle under load.
• The ability to enable or disable CPU AES instructions or Virtualization
• The ability to disable hibernation from the BIOS
• Sets the default keyboard lights from blue to white which suits more tastes

Benefits of Prema VBIOS:

• Power throttle disabled
• Over-voltage slider enabled and adjusted (up to a maximum of 1.2v)
• Activated and adjusted thermal slider (to keep it cooler if desired)
• Core overclock slider limit raised
• Power consumption meter activated
• Fixed 3D voltage base-line in order to stabilize OCs and voltage-match both cards in SLI systems (based on average ASIC)
• Thermal protection @ 92c (once*91c are breached the system throttles volts and clocks in order to protect it)
• Protection against Furmark and Kombustor GPU burnout (AVOID those software even with stock vBIOS)!

 

Sadly they aren't. The only two Prema partners in Europe are portugese Clevo Center and polish Dream Machine. And the first of them seems to limit itself to Spain and Portugal only, judging by the keyboards they have available (and are exclusive prema partner for Portugal so no chance in the near future of having @John@OBSIDIAN-PC being one too).

@madeinholt unlike @Phoenix I wouldn't suggest you purchase a laptop from the US, but I strongly suggest you look around other European resellers. UK resellers may be cheaper, but folks like @John@OBSIDIAN-PC have top notch support and services that are worth every single pound.

 

Ah that's a bummer. I don't understand why Clevo would handicap their enthusiast machines like this? It doesn't make much sense to me. I think best solution for everyone involved would be Clevo hiring @Prema to do their BIOS, properly

 

I would too, but as a software engineer I have seen some really depressing stuff.

 

Why the aversion to importing? You will pay VAT whether you buy locally, or import.

 

@Q937 then there's nothing stopping you from loading the UEFI module for the setup into IDA and auditing the code for that kind of bug.

 

Well there is dealing with customs for one thing, the handling charge and the over seas warranty.

 

There are no hassles dealing with Customs when you buy from HIDevolution. We collect the VAT for UK and Australia, and pre-pay it for you when shipping. We ship everything into the EU from the UK, so no Customs hassles there either. We do not charge a handling charge, and the brokerage is included in the shipping charge.

As for warranty, you still have to ship it somewhere in most cases...so once you give it to the carrier, you just have to wait for it to come back, and HIDevolution tends to be much faster with turning around most warranty claims than the manufacturers. We offer either a US, or Global Warranty on all Clevo and MSI based EVOC laptops. The only difference is who pays the shipping cost. HIDevolution.com Global warranties cover 2 instances per year of 2 way international shipping (by FedEx, DHL, or USPS/EMS - at HIDevolution's discretion) should the system and/or parts need to be sent back to the US for warranty related repair or replacement.

See...no real reason to have an aversion to importing to the UK, Australia or the EU.
.

 

Didn't know about that

Too bad the Global warranty options raise the price so much. It would still be worth, I paid 240€ for 2 day shipping from Italy to Portugal, I can't imagine how much would it be to ship a laptop to the US and back.
Still, with all the good resellers we have in EU, a 600€ extra (the equivalent of your 2 year global with a configuration as similar as possible to mine) for a prema system seems a bit too much to me

But for the enthusiasts on this side of the ocean it's nice to know there's one more option to consider, without having to go through customs.

 

@Donald@HIDevolution @Frits@LaptopParts4Less @obsidian @John@OBSIDIAN-PC

Price in Euro using configuration tools for PM750 DM2, 1070, i5 7600k (all dellidded), no disk, no ram, 2 year warranty.
Some differences between the 3 offers:

• Laptopparts4less: no dead pixel warranty, but 240 sata GB, 8gb ram and OS included, no Prema BIOS, dunno if they use LM or standard paste
• Obsidian: own tweaked BIOS, warranty awarded if buyer use Prema BIOS
• Hide: Prema BIOS, US warranty (so shipping costs for buyer if RMA needed)

Thus in my case, Prema BIOS and Hide reputation is about 600€ (25% of the total costs) more than Obsidian (who obviously are also well reputed). Ouch.
I guess @Prema will earn a lot of money in Europe if he sells his BIOS directly for, let's say, the half of this price tag ;-)
But I agree, it's not really a problem of import taxes...

Hidevolution Obsidian Laptopparts4less
2,009.00 € 1,568.00 € 1,642.00 €
Shipping 32.80 € 32.80 € 16.40 €
Import taxes 3% 61.25 €
Fee 30.00 €
VAT 21% 441.64 € 336.17 € 348.26 €
Total 2,574.70 € 1,936.97 € 2,006.66 €

 

I just write @ John @ OBSIDIAN-PC, without spaces of course. I actually have it saved in my smartphone keyboard

Because of the double '@' the forum does not display the user name while you are in the middle of writing it, or so I think.

 

Thanks

 

I have just been through a rough 9 months as a former (still waiting for refund) owner of a DM1. The first RMA was needed within the first month, so the thought of potentially having to do this trans-Atlantic is a bit off putting.

 

I had been hounding this UK reseller to try and persuade Clevo to open up the BIOS a bit more, I have also been hinting heavily that they should perhaps contact Prema and consider his BIOS scheme for their top-end systems. This reseller also has a commercial front which currently has barebones distribution rights with Clevo for all of Europe, so their clout with Clevo must be substantial. It is just a shame they did not want to know or are just not interested. Or is it Clevo not listening?

 

Well, as @clevo-extreme pointed to me some days ago, having a Prema bios means Clevo would not honour the warranty on that specific machine, should it have problems. So it's a reseller choice promoting the bios mod or not.

About clevo offering neutered BIOS and software with their systems, well that's another issue entirely

 

I think that is everyone's gripe!

 

I wonder if other resellers are willing to modify existing P775DM3-G systems for a price.
I wouldn't mind paying to ship off my system just to have the bios and other things reconfigured.

That said, I've seen people complain about their systems throttling etc. I haven't encountered that yet. So I'll count myself lucky for now.

 

Moikka! Go with Dream Machines! They're in Poland and Prema Partner!

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