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@Donald@HIDevolution and probably some others
You don't get me or I haven't been clear enough.
What I suggest is that good guy's (like you) make partnership. I'am a firm believer of partnership.
I do know that WWW is de facto worldwide, taxes and prices are not I can't avoid taxes and I don't try to avoid it. I don't care as I don't pay VAT (I only credit the state and deduct VAT a bit later from my invoices).
Many people are working to enhance Clevo or other brand. That's great. Many people "do the same things again" (I mean like modded the BIOS, buying stock barebones, ... ). That's not efficient. Share your knowledge (between you good guy's), share your "customer power", work on different part, put it together. Less work, better result, better price, better margin

Make a worldwide partnership!
It's benefit for you and for us, customer.

(I stop, sorry a bit out of thread)

 

THIS^^^. Isn't the best solution for the company you own and run. Too hard competition around in this type business

 

Do you want to kill my dream Dunno. I make this kind of things everyday. OK, I'm working in soft not hardware. But a project is a project. Good people are good people And quality has a price and people are ready to pay for quality (otherwise why are they reading all this posts? They can go to http://www.techradar.com/ and buy on amazon as I do for commodities) . But I recognize I'am not so aware about hardware business. (sorry, I've said that I've to stop)

 

Wasn't meant to kill your dreams All good +rep

 

Welcome to the high Hz club

 

Wow, you guys rock!

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I have been having a weird problem. For last few days, in middle of one of my Withcer 3 sessions, laptop would go to sleep for apparently no reason. it usually happens after first hour or so and then keeps on happening at half an hour intervals. I don't know why it happens but so far I can only think of two culprits, first is Clevo Control Centre, which for some reason crashes everytime computer goes to sleep (other applicaitons such as TS and HWiNFO run just fine). Second is 'Intel Rapid Storage Technology' I really started having this issue since 20/01, and it was on that day that I installed the update for intel rapid storage technology. Yesterday I even got the BSOD with DPC Watchdog violation message. Checked all my drivers and they seemed to be in order so don't really know what to do about it. Any suggestions?

 

Do you have a light on your power brick? Does it go out at all when this happens?

 

Well to be honest, I haven't noticed the brick during one of these black outs. But if the power indicator on the front is any indicator, then machine is still drawing power from the socket. Could it be nvidia drivers? I did update it recently, could be some sort of issue there.


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Yeeesss, my P775 is coming right back to me now. It was under some SERIOUS service and I'm SO much excited to try it out.

Hopefully the courier will manage a miracle and I'll have it here on Friday.

 

If you are lucky enought...the courier lost my laptop :/

 

Hi, hey well i was going to buy the eurocom f5 but i saw the price on the p750 and r the same.
Which one would you recommend ? (Gaming and no OC, lower temps)

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Please don't say things like this

Anyway I'm sorry about that, I did read a bit before, it has been something like a month already, right?

 

Congratulations and good luck with the delivery.

Coincidentally, I am expecting to send off mine back to the reseller on Friday. It am getting the screen replaced because of the backlight bleed issue and possibly an upgrade to 7700K provided that they have the BIOS update by then and it is running stable.

 

No reason why they shouldn't have the BIOS update

 

I have some bleeding too, how serious is yours? Any pics?

 

I posted some pics earlier in the thread, just look a few pages back.

Well in my case, bleed is quite visible in watching videos and playing games. Do you notice it in general use?

About the bios update, well for some reason, Scan Systems are quite non-committal about the whole issue. I thought since my machine is going in for the screen replacement anyway, might as well ask them to replace the cpu. If they can't do it, then I will probably just do it myself. This whole situation maker me feel like a dolt for not doing proper research and buying from @john@obsidian folks and enjoying all that @Prema bios goodness. Don't get me wrong, Scan folks are great, but they don't offer delid and prema bios.


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Well, looky here boys. Did some TeamViewer benching on a machine in the lab over at @Eurocom Support to give Brother @Prema a hand. I locked it up overclocking the CPU with voltage too low, so I only have this one sample to share. Nepean, Ontario is a long way from Arizona, so I can't fix it tonight. Maybe there will be time for something more aggressive tomorrow.

Something wicked this way comes.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11937428

 

Stock, non-delidded Intel® Core™ i7-7700K?

 

I am not sure. It was running cuckoo crazy hot at first. Brother Kevin took it apart and found the CPU retention bracket was loose. After he tightened down those screws things fell into place. Now I am curious if my own screw(s) are loose. (We all know I have a loose screw, or two, but in this case I'm talking about my P870.)

 

It's nice that Clevo FINALLY has some single GPU notebook competition. This is with a severely crippled stock BIOS (TDP limited... for now, but my dump files are in very capable hands) and a vBIOS limiting the 1080 to only 150W max. Once unlocked, look out... here comes trouble. Not a BGA turdbook.

3DMark 11 - P22551 - CPU 5.0GHz | GPU +215 Core / +550 Memory: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11937906
Fire Strike - 19200 - CPU 4.9GHz | GPU +215 Core / +550 Memory: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11537407
Sky Diver - 41150 - CPU 4.9GHz | GPU +215 Core / +550 Memory: http://www.3dmark.com/sd/4511528

I bet @hmscott is going to stop thinking BGA is OK and start wanting one of these affordable little devil-books.

 

Yes, it's a plain stock factory P7xxDM3 system with no hardware optimizations whatsoever, simply flashed with the beta mod and OCed by Fox via TeamViewer remote session. He should push some more benches this weekend...

 

Fresh meat, live via TeamViewer... EUROCOM Sky X7E2 / P775DM3 + @Prema Magic

http://valid.x86.fr/w66dfg


http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11938964

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11541345

 

That's really impressive for a remote controlled system!
I am just glad we where able to kill the throttle also for the P7 DM2/DM3...

 

Yes, me too. That will be awesome for owners of this machine. Yes, considering the Windows 10 Home is not activated, I cannot tweak anything in the BIOS via TeamViewer and the lag associated with using TeamViewer, those are impressive results.

BTW, I just switched from default 2400 to XMP 3000 using the CCC CPU OC utility and re-validated 5.0GHz.

http://valid.x86.fr/0pwr4d

 

I'm going to buy P775DM3 with GTX 1080 probably from PC-Specialist and will delid the CPU (7700K) and use Liquid Ultra. I have few questions regarding the benefits of Prema BIOS. If I'm not going to do any overclocking will the CPU or GPU throttle when pushed to 100% load using stock BIOS? If I would have Prema BIOS would it make a difference? Can I do undervolting easily without Prema BIOS? Is there any possibility to buy Prema mod somewhere separately? Thanks for the answers.

 

Even if you don't overclock, simply by having the Prema BIOS which includes the Prema EC Firmware, it solves the CPU throttling which usually happens when you try to use anything which uses both the CPU/GPU at the same time bringing your CPU clock speeds to as low as 2.5 GHz

with the Prema BIOS, you can overclock easily, or if you don't want that, you can at least undervolt by anywhere from -50mV to -150mV depending on what clocks you want to run on the CPU

See the Prema BIOS benefits here, it is not just about overclocking:

Benefits of Prema BIOS:

• Fixes the biggest issue with these Clevo laptops where they would throttle the CPU as low as 2.5 GHz the moment both the CPU & GPU are under load due to current issues with the Clevo Stock BIOS/EC Firmware.
• The ability to disable other drives connected to your system without physically removing them from your laptop, this comes in handy when installing Windows as you never want to have more than one drive connected at the time you are installing Windows otherwise the Windows setup will place the boot files on the 2nd drive it sees which hurts performance and makes it a headache when creating system images or restoring since the boot files are not on the main drive.
• The ability to overclock, increase Turbo Power Limits and System IA/Core Current Limits
• The ability to enable Intel Speed Shift Technology (it is disabled in the stock BIOS)
• The ability to run RAM with speeds higher than the standard 2133 MHz. I am not talking about overclocking here, I am talking about actual RAM sticks that are rated to run at 2800 MHz for example like the G.Skill 64GB 2800 MHz kit I have. With the stock BIOS, they will not run above 2400 MHz. In the case of the P870DM3, the stock BIOS now supports up to 2666 MHz. I believe but not more, so the Prema BIOS is a must again
• Fixes the instability with the G.Skill 3000 MHz. RAM using XMP Profile 1 with timings of 16-18-18-18 where in the stock BIOS you would have constant crashes or not be able to boot altogether so you’re forced to use XMP Profile 2 which is slower with 18-18-18-18 timings.
• The ability to enable CSM for those who want to install other OSes like Windows 7
• The ability to undervolt the CPU as the stock voltage is way too high which causes the CPU to overheat much quicker and thus throttle under load.
• The ability to enable or disable CPU AES instructions or Virtualization
• The ability to disable hibernation from the BIOS
• Sets the default keyboard lights from blue to white which suits more tastes

Benefits of Prema VBIOS:

• Power throttle disabled
• Over-voltage slider enabled and adjusted (up to a maximum of 1.2v)
• Activated and adjusted thermal slider (to keep it cooler if desired)
• Core overclock slider limit raised
• Power consumption meter activated
• Fixed 3D voltage base-line in order to stabilize OCs and voltage-match both cards in SLI systems (based on average ASIC)
• Thermal protection @ 92c (once*91c are breached the system throttles volts and clocks in order to protect it)
• Protection against Furmark and Kombustor GPU burnout (AVOID those software even with stock vBIOS)!

No, only buy it from a Prema Partner if you want the Prema BIOS. You cannot get it otherwise and will regret it

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I recommend buying it from HIDevolution as they have factory CPU delidding/undervolting, and they even have Silicon Lottery hand picked/binned CPUs which usually run cooler than the stock CPUs if you have the extra cash to shell out. They also have the fastest RAM options up to 3000 MHz G.Skill DDR4 RAM and the best SSD options.

If you opt for their international global warranty as well, then that will cover shipping costs both ways should you ever need to send your laptop for repair or if they want to send you a replacement part that you can replace yourself so you never have to worry about paying for shipping.

See:

HIDevolution - The Best Company I ever dealt with

HIDevolution's Warranty!

don't forget, as an NBR forum member, if you email [email protected], you can get a small discount

 

Yes, that was one of the things @Prema fixed.

Think bigger picture. Overclocking is only one element of the Prema BIOS mod. Having access to fully and completely configure your machine as you want it, as the owner, is key.

@Phoenix has a list of things he can copy and paste, so I will let him do that rather than elaborate further.

Edit: I see after refreshing the page @Phoenix already posted that.

 

Thanks for the quick reply Phoenix. It is quite a bit more expensive to order from HIDevolution because of the tax and shipping fee (I live in Finland). How easily the throttling happens? During gaming? When encoding video in Premiere which uses both CPU and GPU or in a situations where both CPU and GPU are pushed 100%?

 

My pleasure, I advise everyone as if the purchase was my own.

You know what they say man....you gotta pay to play....

if you are ready to save a few bucks and get a crippled BIOS/laptop it's your choice. To me, any Clevo laptop without the Prema BIOS is no better than an ACER turdbook

As for the throttling, it happens the moment the GPU gets involved.

Heck, if I have HWiNFO running on the side I see my clocks speed @ 4.6GHz for example, the moment I run steam, not any benchmark or game, just opening its UI I see the clocks start dipping between 3.9 and 2.5 GHz

 

Well that sounds bad... Prema BIOS seems like a must then. Will have to weigh my purchasing options. Thanks again Phoenix!

 

before you make a decision, as you said, weigh your options, it wouldn't hurt to call HIDevolution and speak to Donald, see what he can offer you

 

I don't see the CPU throttling on mine. Maybe it's fixed in 1.6.04

 

can you launch HWiNFO on the side (sensors only), then run Fire Strike and show us a screenshot of the CPU Clocks/Temps, that would show the throttling or not

example:

 

Under any circumstances? When pushing both to CPU and GPU to the limit?

 

CPU Throttling Example on my P870DM3 before the Prema BIOS/Prema EC Firmware:

Look at the minimum CPU speed in the middle column

 

But won't you always get a lower minimum CPU level as it may be lower before you start the stress test. I know mine is, but when I start the tests the current stays at 100%

Just realised I had my system set to balanced which is why the minimum was showing low. Just set it to high performance and ran it again

 

I clear the values before running the test to get everything reset so the CPU was used all the time, also, this doesn't happen on the Prema BIOS

 

No need for additional monitoring software. Just OC CPU&GPU, run Fire strike and check the CPU clocks line of the result. It should look constant like this from beginning to end without throttle:

Spoiler

 

5000 MHz.!

Prema is t3h b0$$

 

Sorry, it was the only sample picture I had from beta testing phase...

 

Well as you can see from the pic I uploaded on my last post, my minimum CPU speed stayed the same, no throttling.
I did run firestrike on one of the works P775DM3-G's as I'm not at home right now, get the same results on those too

 

To make double sure you can do these 2 things:
1) set vertical sync in NVCP to "fast" and run again and check CPU frequency
2) run fire strike stress test and check CPU frequency

I have seen runs where CPU was stable if GSync+Vsync was active or disabled but throttled with FAST sync and I have even seen runs where the normal fire strike run was stable but the stress test fire strike throttled.

 

Is it posible to buy the prema bios and vbios from any of the prema partners for us unlucky that already bought system elsewhere?

 

Tried it with fast and without, with GSync on and off, with VSync on and off, makes no difference, CPU never throttles

 

@Adbear, weird just ran firestrike too on my NB and that was the result, it definitely throttles a bit, but was most of the time at 4.5ghz

 

mine stayed flat across the whole test at around 4.88-4.89Ghz

 

just curious which EC and Bios are you rockin'? i guess the newest one cause you have a 7700k

 

Could this mean that Clevo has fixed the throttling issue in the newest bios?

 

Are you sure you overclocked your GPU? Post the benchmark result link...

All my tester @godfafa_kr had severe throttling on any stock BIOS/EC version up to 1.06.05 and I can confirm the values in the firmware code are in fact all quiet low.