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I managed to take it's effects out eventually.

My procedure:

Install iobit uninstaller

Click to uninstall CCC from iboit

Wait.

Computer asks to shut down.

shut down

take battery out

Take RAM out

Keep power button pressed for 1 minute

Insert RAM

Insert Battery

power on

Don't OC it.

This should fix the really loud fans for most use cases.

 

Wow, so far no fan issues, but my guess is that the CC controls the on-the-fly UP and DOWNclocking of the system right?
If I run into any issues at all I'll consult these guides, they've been very informative and helpful ^^'

 

Glad to help!

CCC only control fans speeds, and keyboard light.

It's better without it, CCC is too sensitive.

 

Greetings, all

I'm an engineer considering a P775DM3 build from HIDevolution, to use as a mobile 3D workstation and general development workstation (data analysis, coding, etc., including lots of virtual machines). I also am a gamer, but will only be gaming on the laptop when I travel because at home I have a tower rig and large screen.

I'm spec'ing out a 4K display, 2 TB Samsung 960 Pro SSD (single SSD, because RAID 0 is against my religion), and a 7700K CPU, 32 GB RAM, and a GTX 1080 for use as both a GPU and a compute engine for CUDA programming. The HIDevolution folks supply Prema BIOS standard. I'll overclock, but conservatively because I need reliability more than I need that last 3% of performance.

I've seen a lot of reviews of this chassis (here and elsewhere), but not too much about the quality and volume of the onboard speakers. Usually I use headphones when I care about audio quality, but sometimes I do presentations in a small conference room where the projector doesn't have an audio amp. Can anyone comment on the built-in speakers and amp on this machine?

I'm also wondering if anyone can tell me the approximate power draw of one of these at idle or during light "office productivity" work? I know that will vary depending on power settings, overclocking, etc. I'm just looking for a rough estimate -- is it 40W, 100W, etc.?

Thanks for any comments, and anything else anyone would add for someone with my requirements considering this machine and the HIDevolution supplier.

P.S. -- I'm new to the NBR site, so if I have put this in an inappropriate topic, please let me know that and I'll repost elsewhere. Thanks.

 

great choice. HIDevolution offer the best configurations, you can get a factory delidded 7700K from them and by delidding, the temps usually drop by a good 10C and since it's done by them, you don't lose the CPU warranty as opposed to delidding it yourself.

That laptop should suit your needs perfectly, don't forget, if you email [email protected] and give him your NBR forums username you can get a small discount but you need to have at least 5 posts to be eligible

 

I have pretty much the same configuration (with the exception of 7700K) and I use my machine for exactly the same stuff that is 3D workstation, neural network and graph theory analysis, coding and some games like Witcher 3, Battlefield 1, Mass Effect 3, and Dragon Age Inquisition. I don't have a desktop so I use the Clevo machine as my primary pc. It handles everything without breaking a sweat. You become so used to the performance that it becomes pain to use other machines. I can hardly use my MacBook Air now without cringing at the performance (or rather the lack of it!). Heck I even lug it around to cafes for my thesis writing sessions! You really do miss the performance.

Mind you, I haven't overclocked the machine because I haven't felt the need. I don't have the prema bios but from what people have said here, it appears to be your best bet if you want to extract all the performance. Speakers are absolutely fine for general presentations and meetings in small room though you might have an issue if you got a room full of people. For instance, in my lectures, I prefer plugging in the speakers rather than rely on in-built ones. I haven't measured the power draw at idle or light use but I would be surprised if it is much north of 150W. But like I said, I haven't measured it.

 

Thanks, @Phoenix. Donald is actually who I spoke with yesterday. I was impressed that he was both willing and able to answer some pretty detailed technical questions.

The one thing on which I wasn't clear, and I'll ask you since you're a Prema BIOS wiz, is how the clocking of the CPU, and the fan speed, behave when the system is lightly loaded or idle -- assuming I did not reboot to change OC settings in BIOS. Donald seemed to imply a fixed clock speed, which would mean I have a CPU running full-tilt even when I'm just editing code or doing something else lightweight. I need max performance for things like lightmap baking (which takes up to 6.5 hours on my current machine, a 2013 Macbook Pro), but even my MBP is idle when I'm just typing along or reading email.

Is it that the CPU executes a HALT instruction on idle cores and waits for an interrupt? Part of my confusion probably stems from lack of knowledge of Windows kernel's scheduling algorithms. I come from a Linux background and although I know how to use Windows I'm not an expert yet. On my new machine I've chosen to boot Windows and run Linux in virtual machines for two reasons. First, some of my 3D tooling needs DX11, and the only way to get DX11 in a virtual machine is if the underlying physical host is also running Windows. Second, from experience I know that my data analysis code -- which is Linux based -- not only runs very well in a VM, but also (based on early testing) seems to be compatible with the new Ubuntu subsystem in Windows 10.

 

Thanks for the reply. It's good to hear from someone with similar requirements on the hardware I'm considering. (EDIT -- I forgot to mention that my laptop also is, and will remain, my primary machine, so we are similar in usage.)

Understood. Usually my presentations don't even include audio, and if they do, it's in a room with an audio system provided. I was just looking at the edge cases of a small conference room with no AV, and I'm using my portable 1080p projector which...ahem..."has audio, for sufficiently small values of the variable audio." Great picture, ****ty sound, IOW.

I've got an inline wattmeter here, so if I buy one of these I'll measure it and post.

 

can u tell me the max rpm of cpu and gpu fans ? in clevo p775dm3

 

depends on the luck of the draw, if you get a delidded CPU which HIDevolution offer, then chances are that your temps will be lower, thus making the fans spin less often

Like for me, I got a Silicon Lottery 6700K rated @ 4.8 GHz (in a desktop with good cooling though) so on a laptop, I am able to run @ 4.6 GHz 24/7 with 0 throttling and max temps in games @ 82C

but during my normal day to day use which is just browsing the forums, watching a movie now and then, and loading 30 tabs in chrome (checking for multiple software updates at a time), the only time I hear the fans is when I open those 30 tabs in one shot. otherwise its literally silent

people who complain about heat either didn't undervolt like I did and / or got one of those overheating CPUs

go with silicon lottery if you got the dough or at least go with the standard 6700K but delidded

silicon lottery highly recommended........

an old post I made before.....

Spoiler: My i7-6700K Experience

First system I had was a barebone Clevo P870DM-G with a 6700K that couldn't even run stable at 4.2 GHz x4 (on all cores that is). Next system which was a Eurocom Sky X9 also had a 6700K, this time a bit better, it was able to do 4.3 GHz stable.

I have seen many users here complain about high temps even at stock speeds. The 6700K is a hit or miss, 50-50 chance to get a good one. Even if you don't want to overclock, spending a bit more to get a Silicon Lottery one ensures your CPU will run cooler overclocked or not. Giving you better thermals and longevity since the CPU won't be running hot constantly.
This Silicon Lottery CPU I got (rated to run @4.8GHz in a desktop) can run @ 4.7 GHz not very stable pr 4.6 GHz stable all day long with max temps of 85C no matter what I throw at it.

 

I haven't undervolt-ed mine. Do you think it would help in the long run? And did you use Intel's XTU for undervolting (& overclocking)?

 

never touch install XTU unless you want it to mess up your fan profiles and have your fans spin up to max speed randomly for no reason

that includes installing the Clevo control center as it includes XTU components

To install the Clevo Control Center without the built-in CPU/Memory Overclocking tool (which contains XTU components):

Edit the OEM.INI file in the Clevo Control Center driver's directory before you install it:

Change SupportXTUFanTable=1 to SupportXTUFanTable=0

I can't tell you if you need to undervolt or not. at what speeds are you running? run AIDA64 Extreme Stress test for 4 mins, then show me the window of HWiNFO Sensors on the side so we can see your max temps. then we'd know if you need to undervolt or not, I can tell you buy how much to undervolt ....for stock clocks, start with a -150mV undervolt and play some games / benchmarks to see if your system is stable or not

 

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Much appreciated! My intention is to get a delidded 7700K. I was debating if it's worth the extra US$200+ to get the silicon lottery CPU, but I think you have just convinced me.

I interned at Intel in the 1980s, so I am familiar with the reverse side of silicon lottery, from the manufacturer's viewpoint. It's been an interesting experience digging into this OC stuff (I'm partway through MrFox's online tutorial -- some stuff I already understand, some is new). At one time, I was an expert on Intel CPUs, but hardware design hasn't been my job since the early 1990s, so I'm playing a bit of catch-up. One thing probably hasn't changed: back then, DRAM timing was an engineer's worst nightmare, and I'll bet it still is today. Multiphase clocking, finicky as hell about edge shapes, and don't you dare let the corner of that square pulse be overdamped or underdamped. Yech!

I've got a lot to (re-)learn, but it's fun getting back down to the silicon level again.

 

I asked this over on the MSI 16L13 / Eurocom Tornado F5 forum but I thought I would ask again here as I did not get a response.

I was trying to get a sense of the build quality of 16L13 when compared to the Clevo P750DM2-G. They are otherwise pretty comparable although some do not like the shared heat sink in the Clevo (is there any evidence this is a problem with a 1070?). The 16L13 may have a longer battery life but I suspect that depends on how the system is tuned for battery operation.

The P750DM2-G weights about 1lb more which made me think it might be a sturdier build. Has anyone here seen both laptops?

My current baseline for mobility is the P650RS-G which I am happy to tote around. Anything with equal or better build quality I would be happy with.

 

I just reinstalled Clevo Control Center without the built in CPU overlcocking tool as per your instructions. I wanted to install AIDAA64 but apparently it costs £35 to get the software. I thought I will just track the temperatures by playing Witcher 3 first and see if doing away with XTU has made any difference..and well it was quite a shock . Temperatures are dangerously high and CPU is thermal throttling!! When I had used the HWiNFO earlier, CPU max wasn't going anywhere above 91 C.



EDIT: I think it definitely needs a repaste. I had hoped Scan folks had done their job, it appeared so from the attached AIDA file they sent.

 

So I played Witcher 3 again for 10 minutes or so with maximum fan rpm and temperatures were much better. I did not play for 40 or so minutes like I did for the last run so this might not be indicative of cpu temps for two-three hours gaming session. I might repaste again, or ask Scan to do it (properly) as backlight bleed is at a point where it is quite noticeable and I feel more certain that I will have to send it back to them.

 

The X Cross method is the best in my experience as once the heatsink is fitted, it provides the maximum coverage with the least air bubbles

 

Pre-spread like this is really only for liquid metal.



You can do this with paste if you are REALLY good (and the surface is really flat and close) but it's a pain to do properly and the cross method above works as well (even if it uses a bit more paste).

 

Thanks for the help folks. For the time being, I can keep the temperatures under control by using higher rpm setting for the fans. I remember reading a thread with a guide on undervolting 6700K here, so will dig that up and see how I get along with that.

And once I hear back from the reseller, they have contacted clevo about the backlight bleed issue and processor upgrade, I'll decide either do the repaste myself or let them take care of it.


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Hey guys, so I just got the eurocom x7e2. Anyone know where the second m.2 slot is? I know the 3 storage slots are at the bottom, so where is the other? Is it bottom of the keyboard?

 

It is constantly changing depending on what you are doing, but with Chrome, Photoshop, Outlook and Word opening and closing, anywhere from 162W to about 210W... averaging close to the low end 160-ish. Running a YouTube video 180-190W.

If you're not planning on doing any benching or overclocking, go with 6700K. The 7700K runs a whole lot hotter than 6700K. Reminds me a lot of the insane increase in temps of going from Ivy Bridge to Haswell.

 

One is under the panel where the 2 2.5" drives go, the other is on the left hand side, just above the battery under the other large panel on the underside

 

I guess I should have predicted that -- desktop components, so comparable to a desktop for power draw. Thanks for the solid numbers.

Veeerrrrry interesting. I am planning on OC, but not as aggressively as some gamers do. This is the reverse of what I've seen in some other threads. Would you feel this also applies if I'm buying the delidded Silicon Lottery 7700K from HIDevolution? (EDIT: To clarify, I'm not doubting your comment, because I know you are well-informed...my remark was intended to mean "this tells me I have missed something in my consideration of the two CPUs.")

I'm pretty much down to the Clevo P775DM3 versus the MSI GT73VR Titan, and it seems to really come down to performance favoring the Clevo, and keyboard quality favoring the MSI. I am a fast touch typist, and the SteelSeries keyboard on the MSI is compelling -- but the MSI has a soldered CPU and is going to be about a full GHz slower max overclock, and no Prema BIOS on the MSI. My 3D render tools push the CPU hard right now, but I've seen the beta for upcoming versions, and they're offloading more to the GPU in the next few months.

This is not going to be an easy decision, but it seems really I won't go wrong with either choice.

Comments on the P775DM3 keyboard feel would be most welcome, btw.

 

You're totally welcome. It's really not a big deal at all. The benefits of the pros horsepower easily outweigh any cons.

 

I would say this is an very easy decision. Jokebooks and soldered hardware is a No go!!

 

I'm wondering if that last bit applies in my specific case. Keyboard matters a lot to me because of the amount of time I spend coding and at the command line. I'm worried about getting a US$5K machine and then hating the keyboard. External keyboard really isn't a solution, because the whole point of buying a desktop replacement laptop is to have a self-contained (albeit heavy) mobile work environment.

I totally get the issues about LGA vs. BGA processor if performance is the primary goal. I need "fast" but not necessarily "fastest on the planet". OTOH, I'm enough of a tinkerer and hardware geek to love the idea of Prema BIOS and its tunability, plus the P775 is a great rig for DIY field repairs if it breaks while I'm traveling.

I really appreciate the comments both here and in the MSI thread. My company isn't paying for this -- I am. This is a lot of money out of pocket, and whatever I buy will be on my desk for at least 4 years.

 

The P775 and P870 have the same keyboard as far as I know and I actually like the keyboard personally. P870 should not cost $5K and if single GPU is all you want, go for the P870DM2 with single 1080 and the vapor chamber heat sink. P775 has thermal management issues with the unified heat sink design.

 

Well it the vapor chamber is a unified design

 

I wish we could get a vapor chamber part for the CPU side of the GRID as well.

 

Max Temps while encoding a video @ 4.6 GHz:

 

While I love the performance of this machine, nothing out there even comes close.;

They keyboard is it's weakest point *in my opinion at least*

see:
Clevo makes the worst laptop keyboard EVER!

 

The heatpipes are enough I think, some larger fin area or a 2 + 2 to another fan sink.

 

@Mr. Fox I thought that 7700K would be cooler ultimately... At least some of the tests on this site indicated a pretty cool 7700K after delid to say the least/

 

um...not to rain on your parade here buddy, but you have CUDA enabled so youre basically transcoding the video on your GPUs as well no surprise your CPU temps are so low just saying!

 

Well, You can't compare it 100% exactly with a pure Unified heatsink design which is used in some other models

Just look on the Cpu package powa The only number you need to look for and what's important Lower powa = Lower heat. Equal the idea of using soldered i7 in all the flimsy thin Jokebooks

 

Part of my job involves data center and NOC design. In that field, we have a saying that a mechanical engineer defines a "computer" as "a device for converting electricity to heat". If you have a server that consumes 600W under normal load, you will generate 600W of heat and need an additional 200W or so to remove that heat via HVAC. When you have 5000 or 15000 servers in the room, that adds up. Today's high-density blade servers exacerbate the problem, and we have customers with empty rackspace in data centers because modern servers filling that room would inhale more power than the local (urban) utility can physically deliver.

Whether it's a room full of servers or a laptop, there is no escape from physics and thermodynamics.

 

Agreed.

That's a great review, and in fact is on of the sources that raised my concern. No system is perfect in every area, and I have to decide where I am willing to make sacrifices and where I am not. Over time, the designers of the tools I use are strategically moving workload from CPU to GPU, so CPU may be an area where I can afford to take a performance hit.

If I was buying the machine for gaming -- especially since (blasphemy, I know!) I prefer a SteelSeries gamepad rather than keyboard -- the choice would be a no-brainer, and I'd have ordered a P775 or P860 by now.

 

Woops

 

Our server room is about 33% less full physically but using around the same power. They are rebuilding the UPS and I expect the Aircon to follow.

 

Well I got the temperatures under control, ie no thermal throttling, by running fans in overclock mode in the control centre though I think a repaste is still needed. By the way, it seems something is going wrong while playing witcher 3 (attached screenshots). Any ideas as to what might be causing this? It never happens during the game, only in cutscenes. And this problem only appeared yesterday, before that it was all honky dory.

EDIT: Frame rates seem to be dropping as well. I checked the temperatures but GPU is running at 73C and CPU cores (avg) 64C.



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What happens if you turn G-sync off?

 

I had G-sync on since I got the machine and never had any issue. I will try it with GSync turned off.


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I recently accuired an older
P775DM1-G , for casual gaming and whatnot.

Could somebody give me a pointer on what Bios and EC to run on this?

The machine is from Pcspecialists.co.uk but im the 2nd owner and not sure if I can get the latest drivers & bios from them. Or if I even want to get the latest versions if they have made them "crippled" from the factory?

Are the drivers for the audio etc. the same as on the newer DM2/3 models? And I could just download them from eurocom, sager, xmg etc.?

My P775 has a mild engine in it (i5 6600, GTX980 180w). Probably delidding the 6600, repasting and getting a 1TB m.2 are my only upgrades. Should let me game at 1080p even though it's a "peasant" model among the beast in this forum

Any tips on what to install and whatnot are deeply welcomed.

-Edit-

Ahh...there is a dedicated thread for the older P775DMxx seiries. I must have scrolled over it...

 

Just in case you don't know, the previous owner can transfer the warranty to you so you get all the services, including drivers download and any history of the machine.

I used this function when I sold my P650sg, originally bought from them.

 

Okay so I finally managed to bring the temperatures down by offseting the voltage with about -150mV (@4.2GHz). It has made a huge difference, I could immediately see a drop of roughly 7-8C on each core! I think doing a repaste willl further help with cooling, especially if I overclock it a bit more. I found this thread really helpful to figure out how to set up the throttle stop etc and the rather wonderful Obsidian utility for drivers. I feel a bit annoyed with myself for not buying from them, should have done some more research before ordering the system.

 

About that thread, i actually did a Teamviewer session with that guy and tuned everything for him, even though he is not my client one needs to support the community!
Since he never complained again i guess he is happy now, i even made him some different TS Profiles, for High CPU Usage / Gaming / Silent / Battery, added it to Windows startup and it did look good!

 

You sound like you provide top notch service!

Now I'm impressed!

Next time I'll need a Clevo, I will have you on top of my list for possible sellers. Especially because you're in Europe and I can't order from outside of Europe at all.

 

That was very nice of you!

That thread should really be sticky, with your and Phoneix's comments. It was really helpful. I can see how to make profiles in TS , but how do you add that to startup?


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Here you go buddy: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-514#post-10366647

 

Thanks for that. So here is how my temperatures look, under a typical high load ( ie playing Witcher 3 for about 80 minutes and AIDA running for about 25 minutes). CPU temperatures are much better than what they were before (nearly 100 on all four cores with thermal throttling abound) offsetting the voltage. I reckon with a repaste temperatures should drop down further.

I had a question about SpeedStep. Is it alright to leave it enabled or should I disable it? I have checked the box for it in ThrottleStop homescreen but have left C1E unchecked. I read online, I think on a reddit forum, that one should leave C1E enabled for the speedstep to work properly. It was particularly clear but that is what I inferred from it anyway.