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    *** Official Clevo P775DM2/3(-G)/P75xDM2(-G) (Sager NP9152/NP9172) WINGMAN 2.0/BATMAN 3.0 Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Aug 3, 2016.

  1. Spartan@HIDevolution

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    I tried 100 OC on the GPU / 200 MHz. OC on memory on my desktop class 980 GTX and the temps were super stable. This is without any voltage tinkering

    If I wanted to go to a 150 MHz OC on the GPU and 300 MHz OC on the mem, I would have to bump the voltage by +35mV on the GPU but you need the Prema VBIOS for that
     
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    After leaving the PC on to complete the memory test, I found it being off and now cannot turn on. PC does not power off. No bios, then full fans on and then power LED is blinking.

    Fn+D and putting stock RAM is not helping. 2500 pound system down the drain...fml

    It would turn on on the 50th attempt. If I move it left and right quickly, it powers off. What can go wrong?
     
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    Oh and if it's not much to ask, could as many seller/distributor suggest Clevo to acquire the Chi Mei N173HHE-G32 (CMN1747) screen for the P775DM3-G and P870DM3-G? It has G-Sync, its fullHD, 120 hz 5ms panel with 100% sRGB, so it would be the best option for gamers who want high fps biut also a fast panel with good colors.
     
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    I would say that's returning time, seems you got a bad egg.
     
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    I'm torn between this laptop and the Tornado F5. Ive heard mixed reviews on these machines. Could you guys help me out?

    The main complaints I see are sound (on Clevos in general), noise from the fans, and bad keyboards. Everything else seems pretty great. Can I get some opinions?
     
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    The Tornado F5 has DP 1.2 and HDMI 1.4- that's one disadvantage to the P750 DM2's 2 x DP 1.3 & HDMI 2.0
     
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    P.S. I'm sure everyone knows this but since the intakes for the P750 DM2 are on the bottom, you can shave 10+ degrees off your load temps. on the GPU & CPU just by making sure it isn't lying flush against a surface. Try putting a few coasters or paper books behind the back corners to test this- the difference is substantial.
     
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    Yup this totally kills the Tornado F5 for me.. HDMI 1.4 is unacceptable nowadays especially since I have 4K tv, not running that at 30hz when watching stuff on it from my laptop..

    Sent from my LG-H850 using Tapatalk
     
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    Has someone tested this model with any i5 CPU? Is the i5 6600k similar in running temperature as the i7 6700k? I see they have the same TDP.
    Coming from the i7 4720hq of my P650SG, even the 6600 non-K would be a massive improvement I think, but I'm looking for the best compromise with regards to noise and temperature. I'm right in thinking that a 6600 would run cooler than a 6400 in the same scenario?
     
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    Is it hard to upgrade the eDP cable? I mean is it hard to remove the upper cover to reach the connector? Do I need to remove the vga, is there screw under it whic need to be taken out to acces the edp connector on the mb?
     
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    no, downgrading is not an option for enthusiasts like us. Upgrade to a Silicon Lottery factory delidded CPU :)
     
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    You can adjust the TDP and speeds of the K to what ever you like.
     
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    Thanks. I don't really know much about K-series CPUs or overclocking in general. Didn't really help much that my last desktop was equipped with a Core2Duo :D

    I see that basically everyone here is aiming to push the limits of these machines regarding OC and the like, but as someone who wants a stable and cool machine for gaming what CPU should I aim for? I'm trying to fit the 1080 in my budget so I don't really want to go for the i7s if all that power will be unused.
     
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    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

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    if gaming is all u want/need, then maybe go for the 6700 (without K) :) either that or maybe an i5, 6600 for example

    Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10
     
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    The i5 will game perfectly well :)
     
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    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

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    indeed, basically the most important thing is to have four cores, even lower clocked ones will be just fine for gaming! (oh, and a newer generation cpu, of course :D sandy bridge or newer)

    Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10
     
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    I would go for an i7, many games gain extra fps due to the extra threads.

    Good comparison video:
     
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    i_pk_pjers_i Even the ppl who never frown eventually break down

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    I would suggest an i7. Games didn't use to benefit from an i7 vs an i5 in the past, but now they arae starting to especially with DX12.
     
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    As I said previously, you have to remove all the screws from the underside as well as ones under the heatsink fins and possibly the fans as well, then there are 3 or 4 ribbon cables to disconnect as well as the cable to the speakers. Once done you should be able to lift the top off and get access to the monitor socket
     
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    alright guys, i finished tweaking the corsair 3000 modules at 2666 mhz, got an overall improvement of 16%, not too shabby :) will post detailed timings and results in a bit

    Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10
     
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    ok, here we go:

    Stability testing was done by boot test (Bios & Windows), followed by TM5 and overnight Memtest86+ (8-10 hours, SMP disabled, parallel testing, all memory, default tests)

    Performance testing was done with
    MaxxMEM2 , with 10 consecutive runs being averaged for the four parameters.

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]

    Notes:
    - CMD = Command Rate
    - WTR was left on AUTO (=0)
    - Although RAS was set to 5 in the BIOS, analysis tools such as CPU-Z and HWInfo show RAS at 28
    - The CPU´s System Agent was overvolted by 200 mV to ensure better stability at tighter timings. +200 mV is the highest recommended OV for 24/7, however, I still plan to do more testing to see if I can lower that OV without changing the tweaked timings (edit: lowest stable setting was at +155 mV)
    - At identical timings, a boost of 16% would be equivalent to 2666 Mhz * 1.16 = 3093 Mhz :)
    - It´s interesting to see how the CPU speed also influences the RAM performance! Thats why I included several difference clocks (4.0 Ghz is stock, 4.6 Ghz is my 24/7 settings, 4.8 Ghz my highest stable setting)

    If there are any questions, just shoot!

    Enjoy! :)
     
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    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    Not everyone requires a silicon lottery overpriced CPU lol..

    6700Ks are generally fine, some tweaking and they easily do 4.4GHz or 4.5GHz.. You just have bad luck mate :D
     
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    Very mate! Is this the part where I should go..... "bloody hell!"? :eek: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
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    If I remember correctly someone measured the size of thermal pads required for the P775DM3, but I can't find the picture. Can someone please link it?
     
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    so, about those corsair sticks: checked system voltage offset and it turns out i can dial it back down to +155 mV stable :) letting it run overnight in memtest86+ now to be 100% sure, but its looking promising already ;)

    Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10
     
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    Not bad timings for the speed, you will get most of the advantage fast memory has to offer at those speeds/timings.
     
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    Anyone knows what monitors are available for this laptop, in the 15 and 17 model? Or where can I go to find this information.

    I remember when the first P65xS model came out we knew what displays were available , but it seems this detail isn't so easy to find for this model.
     
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    not monitors, but screens:

    EVOC P775DM3-G 17.3" Custom Built Gaming Laptop w/ nVIDIA GTX 1060, 1070 or 1080

    [​IMG]
     
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    So, at least for the 17 inch model, a compatible 120hz screen do exist. Too bad it's 3k, I've got the Panasonic in my P650SG right now, and while it's a good looking display I prefer to go for 1080p this time.

    I'm asking mainly because I don't see any european reseller having it. I'll try to contact some of them to be sure anyway before opting for one or the other, but it would be nice to have this kind of information. Do these type of screens have standard mounting points? I remember for the P650Sx the main problem in swapping screens was LVDS vs eDP port, is there a similar issue here?
     
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    Thanks to @Adbear I now have the latest E-GPU ready thunderbolt firmware.

    [​IMG]
     
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    I think their is one major supplier into Europe and they get to dictate what options you can get.
     
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    I see. Well, worst case I can always opt for nice looking IPS screen, and buy a fast TN 24'' monitor for gaming.
     
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    got my baby yesterday and damn that thing is fast and i thought the previous book P771DM-G was fast, but playing OW @ Ultra in 3K and never drop much below 120fps is outstanding. :eek: Tried yesterday to delid my 3rd processor but the delid-die-mate broke in the process lol, it cracked on the back where you acutally screw in the beheader piece, cpu is fine tho :p. Only major nitpick i have is that the 1070 throttles extremely fast due to power limit(?) can play for about 1 minute @ 1700mhz then i'm sitting mostly in the area of 1512-1530mhz, any way to work around this? The display itself is pretty whoa and you can play competitively absolutely fine with it, but the horizontal lines can be pretty disturbing, but i can only see them mostly on still images, ingame it was fine and only really noticed it when actively look for them.
     
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    buddy, u made the mistake of choosing the delid-die-mate over the rockit 88 :rolleyes: although imported from the US, youre below the limit for import tax in germany and ure gonna end up with 60% of the price for the delid die mate :p

    delid die mate = 73.89€ incl. shipping
    rockit 88 = 38 USD + 10 USD international shipping = 45.22 € ;)
     
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    Or
    VINTAGE-SAFETY-RAZOR-BLADE-TIGER-CZECH-REPUBLIC-EAST-EUROPE- UNUSED
    Only $ 4.00 :D + international shipping :oops:
    [​IMG]
     
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    will get that instead, hope there is below limit too for austria :D never looked for that before, will try and look what caseking says to that, but in the meantime it isn't that tragic, CPU only runs at 4.2Ghz tho and i have the throttling back like in the pre-Prema Bios days but whatever i enjoy the sh*t out of the machine so far.
     
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    i order rockit with some glue and clu...the waiting kills me :)
     
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    ah yes, for austria this might be different :) and yeah, make sure to check with caseking for warranty coverage! it shouldnt just BREAK during regular usage, i mean, wtf o_O

    @Papusan: ive had my fun with razor blades and liquid metal, now im settling down and aim for properly functioning hardware instead :D

    Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10
     
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    ordered the rockit yesterday, thanks for the headsup for that @jaybee83.
    so far i really really love the machine it really shows it's power i can only image what i can do with @Prema power infused, probably go Super Sayian Blue with x40 Kaioken to get the OCing going.

    so i created an TL;DR version of what i gathered so far.

    Pros
    -Very very fast, 1070 is optimal even at stock for eSports games like CS:GO, Overwatch, Quake Live, LoL, HotS etc.
    -Extremely fast 120hz 5ms screen, perfect for to be competitive on the go
    -Very good cooling, 1070 and CPU stays cool even when using automatic profile only, using Kryonaut. GPU maxed out at 72 °C in OW and CPU 68 °C -150mV @ 4.2Ghz (throttles tho to 3.6-4ghz it seems and flunctuates, like the same issue i had before i god prema-god-infused with my previous P771DM-G)
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    The DAC is really good in that device, my old P771DM-G barely managed my Beyerdynamics DT990Pro with it's 250 Ohm


    Cons
    -Touchpad is extremely ****, P771DM one was much much superior, can't even change 3finger swipe to back/forward like i had before and accidentaly zoom in some times even when i only swipe up and down to scroll through some pages. If anyone knows how to reconfigure it, that would be awesome, but i already know of the W10 internal config but it sux can't to sh*t
    -Overclock Profile is activated by default, which can be disturbing, issue is that even when you set it to Automatic it resets after restart
    -Horizontal Lines with the AUO WQHD 120Hz Screen, disturbing sometimes mostly tho at still images, ingame it's somewhat fine
    -CPU OC tool in the Control Center doesn't work, see the ring loading screen thingy then nothing, using @unclewebb (love your tool) TS 8.30 anyways so
    -Sound crackling when speakers are muted, dunno how to describe it exactly but when i mute the speakers the speakers crackle like if windows anyway wants to output something.
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    Bios doesn't allow negative voltage offset values (yet?)
    -1070 power limit ?

    so yeah that's it for now, before i ordered i was on the verge to think about the 1080 but good i don't, OW runs superfluid @ Ultra 1440p averaging at the 110fps range.
     
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    So you're satisfied with the 1070? I'm almost decided on ordering one with the 1080, but that'll mean I have to skimp a bit on cpu (i5 6500), ram (8 gb) and storage, for which I have my 500gb 850 evo and a 2tb hdd anyway. I was thinking of going for the more powerful option for components that are hard or expensive to upgrade later.
     
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    well i mostly game Overwatch so i built the machine somewhat arround it and so far it even seems to on par or even slightly faster than my desktop 980ti @ 1470/4000 which is more than enough for my demands. Even witcher 3 ran at ultra without any issue whatsoever i would even guess above 70-80 fps how smooth it ran, sadly i didn't use a frame meter to check, i only play it for about 20 mins just to check. imho a 1080 could be even a bit too much for the p775dm3 if you don't delid and have a perfect heatsink.
     
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    Witcher 3 even with a GTX 1080 can not hold 60 fps outdoors if everything is on max (even Hairworks).
    Not to mention AC Unity and Syndicate, they run 40-50 fps at certain areas with GTX 1080 and 2560x1440 resolution.
     
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    Get the 1080.. CPU, RAM and stuff is easier to upgrade later but always get the best GPU if possible as cost of upgrading later is just not worth it!!

    Sent from my LG-H850 using Tapatalk
     
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    Good advice. And Kaby lake with 7700K is here soon :D
     
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    Even a Titan X struggles with Ubisoft titles due to the atrocious coding.
     
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    yeah i really thought about that too, but in the end i still hope that volta will be compatible this time with the current books, and when the 1080p 120hz 5ms screens get's released i hope i can snatch one and install it in my current book.

    current books should be compatible too if i'm right? Z170 should support these afaik, didn't look yet but i hope the IPC is improved so i can maybe upgrade my Desktop too and just get a Z170 board etc with the 6700k i just use.
     
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    I've got some issues with XTU, anyone knows how I can fix this?

    I installed XTU to undervolt the CPU (6700K) with 0,100V which works fine. The problem is that XTU sets the "Turbo Boost Power Max" on the lowest value: 1,875W. The result is that the CPU clocks to 0,76GHz and doesn't clock any higher (resulting in a veeerryyy slow PC).

    I can manually set the "Turbo Boost Power Max" to the maximum value allowed, and that resolves the problem. The thing is: if the PC sleeps, or restarts/shuts down, the value gets reset to 1,875W on next boot/wake-up (thus the boot takes ages, and I have to manually set it to max value every. single. time.). Saving the profile doesn't seem to do anything, it just forgets the value and sets it to 1,875W. Strangely, the -0,100V voltage offset DOES stick.

    I've tried uninstalling XTU, but then the CPU doesn't clock above 0,76GHz anymore either (but it DID clock normally pre-XTU), and - 0,100V offset sticks. So it seems like the settings are set on a BIOS level.

    I'm at a loss at what to do here, I tried reinstalling XTU with admin rights but that doesn't make a difference either. I'd normally tweak with these settings in the BIOS, but I've never seen such a limited BIOS :/ There's no options at all.

    Model: P751DM2-G
     
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