*** Official Clevo P775DM2/3(-G)/P75xDM2(-G) (Sager NP9152/NP9172) WINGMAN 2.0/BATMAN 3.0 Lounge ***

I have this problem too. Need to force shutdown and wait a few minutes before turning it back on. The previous model had this bug too when the memory settings!changed, a shame they did not fix it after so many months...

 

Did a reflash from dos environment and removed ac adapter+battery for 10 minutes and now the bios version is displayed correctly in Windows.
Thanks for pointing it out that I was an iditiot

Seems the win flasher in the package writes the previous bios name to the block from where win reads the bios version and the only way to fix it is to reflash it in dos environment. Or maybe it does not write anything to it and mark it as read only since Win is using it during flashing. Strange thing is that when I flashed bios 1.05.02 it still did not get fixed, only the bios which broke it was able to fix it.

Short story: Kids, do not flash a bios from Windows!

 

Updated the original link to one that doesn't have the Windows batch files

 

Just remove the 2 FlashWinX batch files and the 2 afuwin files.

 

I just removed the batch files and added in meset and the readme file

 

And now 8 min into AIDA64 and no errors at 3000Mhz... strangest things are happening

 

Nice!
BTW, have you tried asking them to send a newer EC too? would be nice to update the 1.05.02 EC.

 

I want EC03

 

to answer your previous question: depending on the settings i input, i indeed encounter a black screen, but not automatically with every RAM timing change! also, 8 min AIDA doesnt mean a thing, an unstable setting doesnt always show itself at the same point in time in a stress test if you want to be 100% sure, ull have to run memtest86+ in parallel mode overnight. in my case, that results in 3-4 complete passes inside of 8-10 hours. if no errors show up there, u can be absolutely sure that your ram is stable. another very handy tool is TM5 to do quick stability testing in windows (memtest86+ is run in DOS btw from a USB Stick), it will sort out any rough settings pretty fast, one full run just takes about 12 minutes in my case. about 90-95% of TM5 stable settings are also stable in overnight memtest86+, just to put it in perspective.

Links:

TM5 - http://testmem.tz.ru/tm5.rar (run as administrator)
Memtest86+ - http://www.memtest.org/download/5.01/memtest86+-5.01.usb.installer.zip (auto installer for USB key, make sure to disable UEFI boot in bios before booting from the stick. also run it with SMP disabled, otherwise u will get false positives)

 

Did you ask them to send it like the bios? I want that EC too how can I reach them? I try to pressure them too

 

About the ram issue, good thing it came up! I have tested my Corsair rams too.

I believe Everest is not the best/fastest way to test, I mean I already seen it pass an unstable CPU oc, so I don't think its reliable. Personally I have tried HCIDesign Memtest to test my memory and oh boy.. Running with XMP Profile 1 3000 MHz cl16 I started to get errors within minutes!
I have set it back to the factory 2666 MHz cl18 and no errors so far...what the hell? These are marketed as 3000 MHz cl16 rams!

Something is terribly wrong here!

 

Changed to liquid metal, temperatures seem to be higher. Wtf

 

Running ram test again, previous run it gave errors in a few minutes, now 15 min passed (11%) and no errors so far. I wonder if it was just a fluke that it gave errors so fast at the first run.

 

No single test will pickup all errors sadly. You need to use a range of tests and use the device to tell.

 

If in the bios XMP 1 is selected, is there any point in testing the ram in dos environment? Or the modules run on 3000 MHz only in win environment so to test 3000 MHz I need to test it under win?

 

check the fit of your heatsink. problem with liquid metal pastes is that theyre extremely thin layered, so they need to have an absolutely perfect heatsink fit on the chip to work properly.

nope, anything set in the bios covers all environments, no matter which operating system u run, be it Windows, DOS, Linux, OS X, or whatever the advantage of memtest86+ running from a USB Stick is that ALL of the Ram can be tested thoroughly, whereas any Windows based test is not able to test the RAM that the OS is taking up, naturally

 

How would you recommend checking the heatsink? Could it be the case that I applied too much of liquid metal?

 

Apply a traditional paste, then pull the heatsink and check the spread. You can also use pressure paper.

 

For Clevo, ppl are bit more antsy about Prema BIOS... And there is a lot of reason behind this! Your wording probably didn't help... You shouldn't be donating to TBoneSan but Prema directly!

.I get that @Prema was pissed off by people ripping of his work but he shouldn't forget that making it available for everyone was the reason behind his success...

I personally am not happy to be forced to purchase my laptop from a Prema reseller to get the BIOS... Said this out loud before and will say it again.. Happy to donate money, pay £30-50-100 on Prema's website to get it, but I'm not paying 10-20% extra of the laptop price to someone like Hideolvution to get it... Not a fan of the commercialisation of it...and I'll keep saying it...Now its like you have to be a member of some elitist club to get it from some reseller.... And I'm not swinging that way! You can turn but this lady ain't turning!! (my favourite quote from Thatcher).

He did say that it would be available publicly at some point however if it's anything to go like the P750/770/870DM gen, there's no point of being able to get it 1 year after the laptop is out... If it was 6 months after the laptop was released, I can understand... Now what's the point when your laptop is basically obsolete (thanks Clevo! my Batman is obsolete too!!)

He does do a lot for the community and I really appreciate that, but I do disagree with his current approach..

 

I kind of see it from that point of view in part. But rather its extremely likely these bios's will be available within a year of release through other Prema donation based means.
I think its fair that the partnered resellers have the bios first and likely its better for Prema to do business this way. More of a big time deal and hopefully benefit everyone in the long run.

 

Well actually he used to partner and still release it to the public... I hope he has not forgotten that that was what made him successful.... Also the BIOS was not available in a year publicly.. It's still private and the only way to get it was to take part in the Prema P870DM3 donation run, which is fair..

I'm sure this approach works better for him financially (however supposedly he get's nothing from the retailers for his BIOS or something like that but I don't know).... And I see no benefit for me in the long run...

If I can't get it in 6 months, I'm just going to go elsewhere and build a desktop or something if Clevo continues its **** like it just did...

After the latest Clevo fiasco, I was really tempted to sell my Batman and get an Asus GL502 + my below desktop.. That is more than enough for my gaming needs and everything works with minimal tweaking.. I can overclock all I want on a desktop for half the price... I still do not like BGA but even my wallet is telling me that its a hopeless fight... And the above really doesn't help.... The Prema BIOS and especially the vBIOS kept me in the fight... Now with getting it in my eyes impossible, BGA is the way to go probably in 2-3 years ( I'm not buying a year old laptop to get it)... Unless some 1070 upgrade magically turns up for my Batman, which will probably be like 1200 Euros which I can't justify, that's me done with upgradeable laptops... My G73JH was not upgradeable and lasted me 3.5 years with no problems.. My Alienware which was supposedly upgradeable was ****ed by Microsoft and Windows 10.. My P771ZM was obsoleted by Clevo... Sorry if I'm being salty but that's how I feel..

 

Basically what I'm trying to say, the current system will force people to get the BIOS in more dodgy ways and we saw that today..

The old system was not perfect and probably had more stealing and freeloaders so that's why I've proposed a BIOS shop model even before.. This way we have best of both worlds, want a reseller get it with warranty or get it separately without warranty..

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Bios Shop, good idea. however, @Prema would still have to implement some kinda unique code system, so that he would be able to retrace each and every copy sold through that shop. If he has to do that manually, then its quite the hassle... if theres a way to do this automatically, it would allow to identify "freeloaders" and their sources and maybe even implement some kinda block code to make their BIOS versions unuseable but that sounds quite laborious and likely difficult to implement...

 

@Adbear @DRevan I have "P7xxDM3G_E03.zip" and "2ndEC_02.zip" direct from Clevo FTP if you want them. Not willing to post them public.

 

Not even gonna ask how you got access there
Can you send them to my email please?
fejerm87[at]gmail.com

Can you also please send me all bios releases too which are uploaded there for the P775DM3-G?

 

I respectfully disagree. As a professional, I understand all the blood, sweat and tears that go into producing something like this. @Prema should be compensated for his time and work. If one needs a tool, used over and over and over, one buys it. That is how the next cycle can begin. And the one after that, and so on, and so on.

I hope more and more vendors will take another look at joining the Prema Partner program, or better yet if Clevo would take a look at working with Prema on releasing a bit more advanced BIOS right off the bat.

I should note that others are also taking notice. If I've read his posts correctly, @Meaker@Sager has posted that Sager's BIOS for some of the DM2/DM3 models offer a bit more control than the stock BIOS. (Hope I am recalling this correctly)

 

Thanks guys. I'll heading over there now to get a copy.

 

Thanks for the offer. I've sent you a PM

 

I disagree. The reason why we had such a breakthrough in software was because of open source. Everyone has their own vision in terms of licensing though. Example, Slack was nowhere until they decided to open source it. Gaining momentum and popularity with your product and then closing it off and marketing, not a very successful business model in my opinion. In addition, Prema is losing European market or even US based customers who do not want to be linked to just one supplier.

 

Yep. Opinions vary. OSS can become very, very messy. Especially with forked projects and the like. Don't get me wrong, I understand the value of OSS and that it definitely can be advantageous. But it has its place. Throughout the years, I've authored and built up my own libraries, rewritten and translated to adapt with the times. They've been fully debugged and put through its paces.

I guess this thinking is one of the main reasons I like Prema's decision as funding will keep Prema mods perpetually going instead of dying out due to lack if interest, like so many OSS projects.

In regards to suppliers, the free market will help. As vendors see more and more ppl migrating to Myth, HIDEvolution, Eurocom, and Sager because if better than stock BIOS, they'll have to adapt or find another way to compete.

 

@jclausius, I think there are 2 problems here. The first being piracy and how to tackle it. I have my own personal aggressive opinion about it, where in fact I would not have a problem with people pirating certain media because how the big boys (publishers, distributors) handle digital content, ownership etc. Steam has done an impressive work for game distribution, ownership and refunding (still work to do on the last bit). So, I will not tackle this point here.

Secondly, Prema might view this as his/her own baby and would not want to share it with someone else. I think the more people are involved and have access to it, the more stable and dynamic the product will get. Of course, this is his/her own decision how to handle this situation. I've never seen his mod and I would definitely like to try it out and purchase it, along with support for it. However, I do not want to get attached to the US-based resellers while I am in Europe.

 

This should be highlighted to increase awareness among our trigger happy community, especially with Prema bios coming up in the hopefully not too distant future. Never ever flash from Windows, just configure yourself a DOS USB stick. I've had mine since 2012 when I flashed my 680M for the first time.

 

@EARNEST - Yes. Good points. I think it would be really hard to protect a BIOS without some kind of hardware working in tandem. However, when it comes to something like the possibility of bricking your machine (or re-soldering a new BIOS chip), that may keep piracy to a minimum. Perhaps. Perhaps, not.

Also, I agree that for you with VATs, shipping, support, and anything from my side of the 'pond' is less than ideal. I've knocked @XMG for this in the past, but I do hope other vendors (globally) wake up and see what is happening. Like I mentioned, it seems @Meaker@Sager is working to make this better from their point of view. In the long run, I would hope Clevo soon recognizes its niche in the marketplace, and considers providing Basic and Advanced BIOS.

 

Can't say it better..

I can also understand how much blood, sweat and tears go into making this.. Just ask @Mr. Fox and @Prema when they tried to fix the P870DM...

That's why I can understand why the old open source model is really wrong because many people took it and never donated a penny...

The new approach is also wrong because now you have to be a member of some elitist club and pay 10-20% extra of the normal laptop price to get it.. I'm not doing that... I have more money then back when I was student, but I find it impossible to justify the extra cost when I could put that to a desktop.. That's why I suggested the shop model.. There is some possiblity for piracy if Prema can't implenet the unique ID code thing @jaybee83 but sitll much better then the open source model..

Also, the arrogance from some people about it, not going to say any names is born out of this elitist reseller thing... "You don't get it from Hide with Prema BIOS, your laptop is crippled" is beyond childish and this has just encouraged it more.... And of course the example we had a bit earlier of someone asking for it from someone else will happen more..

I really do hope that Clevo unlock the BIOS more and heck, offer an unlocked BIOS if it voids your warranty, couldn't care less lol but that's never happening... The work done at Sager is encouraging but we need much more of it.. .

Till then, many of us have no choice and no access to his work.... I'm not paying import taxes etc to get it from the US and the European resellers mean hassle warranty wise if anything breaks.... So yeah, I'm pretty pissed off by the situation...

 

Trust me it's something we have been discussing with the powers that be for a long time now ;-) We don't say that you can not put a Prema modded BIOS on an XMG laptop, only that it may affect the warranty if this is done. It's not solely our (XMGs) decision, there are a lot of factors that we need to take into account. As I mentioned several times in the past, our ideal solution would be that the stock BIOS is more open - that would solve most issues that stop us offering a modded BIOS and we've been on this for some time now.

 

Yes. We've gone back and forth on this multiple times, and I understand the difficult position you're placed in between customer and Clevo. Hopefully there's enough feedback by all (global) Clevo customers that causes some movement. As always, thank you for what you do on our behalf.

 

@TomJGX, your position is understandable.

Just to throw this out there. There's one option I don't think you have mentioned, going directly to the source and contacting Prema himself.

 

Fair point, however that's a very subjective question... And the trust thing comes out..

For someone like me, in the past, I have gone directly to Prema and donated for the custom vBIOS he made for me.. He can trust me but what if your someone whose getting your 1st laptop and ask for this from him with few forum posts and no reputation? The reason why he made the mods kind of private is few people jerked him off when he gave it to them in trust when they had minimal rep on the forum.. That's why I cancelled out that approach and don't even bother discussing it..

Again, @Prema these chain of posts isn't to bash you or chastise you, but to raise to you the problems we face with the new approach you have taken to making mods private and available only from resellers...

And there is a side effect of that as I have raised..

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Just updated my EC from 1.05.02 to 1.05.03 and my second EC from 1.05.01 to 1.05.02.

Still makes me wonder why the previously shared 1.05.06 BIOS file is smaller than the BIOS files on the Clevo FTP server...the shared 1.05.06 rom file is 5Mb, however all other Clevo BIOS files are 8Mb in size...what can that 3 Mb missing part be? It cant be that important since the laptop boots with 1.05.06 too ... oh wait, 1.05.06 is a ROM file, while the files on the Clevo FTP are bin files...maybe the size difference is because they were compiled in a different way since 06 is probably not officially public yet.

 

@DRevan 5MB dumps do not have Intel ME region, 8MB dump does.

 

In other words, with the 5mb dump Intel ME does not get updated?
I guess that's not that big of a deal...

 

A lot of it was already in motion before I got involved with Sager directly. Also as XMG have mentioned if you work directly with Clevo there are certain factors you have to consider to maintain that relationship.

 

Thanks please keep pushing it in this direction! This is a good 1st step!!

 

Well honestly someone should really kick Clevo in the back...I mean they even lock basic CPU related settings like Turboboost, hyperthreading, etc...there are some badly optimized games that run better with hyperthreading off, however in the factory bios we can not turn this off. Clevo really should follow EVGA, so far EVGA is the newest manufacturer on the laptop market, but they already made something that no other laptop manufacturer did...a fully unlocked UEFI Bios with graphical User Interface, just like the latest desktop motherboards have. When will Clevo get in line and give us an uefi bios with more settings options and graphical UI?

 

Our desktop models do have a lot of the basics at least now

I don't think a graphical UI really helps for this kind of thing unless you start putting in fan control.

 

Yea, a graphical ui is not mandatory but c'mon, at least give us basic CPU control options...
And the voltage control is very misleading, you can not set negative value for adaptive and even if you do it in the clevo software it will still not be displayed as negative value in the bios so if your not the one who set it, you need to check the clevo software if its 160 or -160mV....

 

We have with multipliers, turbo power levels/duration, memory clocks/voltage, multipliers and current limits.

 

Can you properly set negative voltage too ?

What bios is it based on?

 

Have you noticed any difference in fan characteristics without Clevo Control Centre installed after updating?

 

Its a BIOS straight from Clevo with some of the options unlocked. We will get updates as they are done in the future.

The negative voltage option is still locked so can't be changed down, that's one of my suggestions for future options.