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    *** Official Clevo P775DM2/3(-G)/P75xDM2(-G) (Sager NP9152/NP9172) WINGMAN 2.0/BATMAN 3.0 Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Aug 3, 2016.

  1. SynergyUK

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    I'm trying not to install the cc at all after reading numerous people say "stay away"
     
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    Anyone tried The Division yet on 1080p maxed out? I am getting mostly 70-75 fps, but sometimes it dips down to the 50-60s and stutters. Temps are fine and core clock is 1860-1898 mhz.

    I have tried different drivers and some seem to make the game slighlty smoother with 75 fps, but with all drivers I get occasional fps drop and stutter.

    Anyone else experience this?
     
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    Its definitly software based . It was only after updating windows that i had this problem.

    This computer is rock-solid / screw you microsoft
     
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    I play it a lot and my settings are everything maxed apart from PCSS shadows instead of the higher nvidia one, and no post process aa as I don't think it is needed. I have had no issues with stutter, it is completely smooth all the time and is basically locked at 75 except sometimes can go high 60s above ground - but never any stutter.
     
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    Yep, I have the exact same thing - it happened once a couple of weeks ago and after a few hours I could re setup a pin and finger print. It also happened again yesterday - what is extra annoying is you can't play windows store games while it is happening because it can't log you in to xbox.... and it won't let you use you password if you have a pin setup.

    To be honest it really annoyed me and don't understand the point of the pin when you already have a password other than apparently being a bloody nightmare!

    I'm sure this is all Windows though and not the laptop's fault at all.
     
  6. SynergyUK

    SynergyUK Notebook Consultant

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    Guys what gpu drivers are you running?

    Since I've had my machine I've had nothing but problems, fans all over the place, strange behaviour in windows, other applications not working correctly etc.

    Just done another fresh install but allowed windows to use its own nvidia driver and all seems to be resolved?

    Strange
     
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    GWW1 Notebook Guru

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    I'm using the latest one direct from Nvidia (373.06) and have no problems at all.

    Edit: just noticed there is actually a newer one that just came out.
     
  8. SynergyUK

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    Yeah I wont be surprised if you get issues with the new driver. The difference between the windows installed driver the new nvidia one is like night and day.

    Not installing the drive on a fresh install has transformed my machine no end! Id be interested to know if anyone else has updated.
     
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    I will give it a go tonight and let you know, if it's bad I'll roll back.
     
  10. SynergyUK

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    Yeah ill be watching this closely to see if its and isolated issue.

    I mean the drivers stopped me from dragging a shortcut from the start menu to the task bar. All sorts of strange problems.
     
  11. Papusan

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    Windows 10 → Win Crap X. The Fall from the Redmond Morons :D Eternal beta product!! :rolleyes:
     
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    Vinylman Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hello!
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    I'd like to ask about P751 dm2 temps, I've got i7 6700k with GTX 1070. When on idle/internet the GPU temp is about 53-55'C with the fan speed at 2370 RPM... Is there something I should be worry about? I thought there'll be issue with CPU but it's all right- 43'C with 1700 RPM, so no problem here....; any suggestions? :)
     
  13. Georgel

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    I'm getting mighty tired of this eternal beta thing they do.

    They surely can do better, it's almost as if they stopped trying at some point, every update brings bugs instead of solving them.
     
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  14. Georgel

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    40-46 are more normal for GPU on idle, but otherwise, you're cool in there.
     
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    knibbler Notebook Evangelist

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    Ive had mine for three weeks and have had constant windows 10 problems. Most of which are hard to fix because I have windows home not pro. :(

    Ive been stalling on the inevitable re-install of windows. The fans on overclock will always be quick to ramp and act erratic..they do keep temps down quite well though.

    Windows problems like
    No pin or fingerprint access through settings (hangs up)
    No start menu
    No cortana
    No windows store (yes i signed in with microsoft account)
    No edge browser
    These issues even affect steam..no overlay in game even though its enabled in steam settings.

    So ill re-install and go through all the setup again. I would go back and choose windows 10 pro if i could because there are many more features available to combat these issues in that version.
     
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    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    https://www.kinguin.net/category/19429/windows-10-professional-oem-key/
     
  17. knibbler

    knibbler Notebook Evangelist

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    On the bright side, i found this cool foldable portable fan with thick usb cabling from a direct from China distributor. Easy to toss in a laptop bag.
    IMG_20161022_2139525.jpg

    IMG_20161022_2140082~3.jpg

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    Seems to help the fans not go too crazy. Maybe its just the elevation of the laptop that helps. They look like genuine little cooling fans :D. $10
     
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  18. Georgel

    Georgel Notebook Virtuoso

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    It is the height difference.

    I never keep a laptop on a table, I keep it on a cooler without fans, or with fans turned off.
     
  19. iunlock

    iunlock 7980XE @ 5.4GHz

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    Yes, the slightest of elevating the rear helps a lot.

    I use these $1 Pegs and they work wonders.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    ::iunlock::
     
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    I have been using it for years and it definitely rocks.
     
  21. SynergyUK

    SynergyUK Notebook Consultant

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    Returning mine.

    Outstanding laptop but after 30 mins of battlefield 1 it resets. I suppose a temp issue. After spending this much money i dont really want to go and delid, already applied an undervolt.

    Gutted.
     
  22. GWW1

    GWW1 Notebook Guru

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    That's a real shame, I have never had mine reset even after hours of 100% gpu load so it isn't a common issue. Are you returning for a replacement or a refund?
     
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    Where can I get these?
     
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    The start menu issue is there and is a known issue by Nvidia. It's not something I do though in normal use and never would have noticed without looking for it so doesn't bother me.
    Apart from that oddity it seems fine, played a few different games to test it out and haven't noticed any problems yet. I am going to keep using it and see how it goes.
     
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    Thanks.

    Nvidia just released a new driver so will try that. Still thinking of returning my machine though and going down MSI - 6820HK - 1070 route for better temps and cooling.
     
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    I've seen P775 restart when browsing facebook without an explanation why... it's not temps, something is doing it...

    Someone who never had a problem, please share your settings / other things with us, we need to all be using the same settings to make sure the errors we're getting aren't caused just by us being beginners to laptopys/.
     
  27. Spartan@HIDevolution

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    did you overclock your RAM by any chance?
     
  28. SynergyUK

    SynergyUK Notebook Consultant

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    Clevo P775DM3-G, 6700K, 32GB, 1080GTX.

    No OC, -150mv undervolt, auto fan profile.

    Have reapplied the thermal paste and its not crashing any more but still returning uncomfortable tempts. 85c from GPU and 80c from CPU after 30 mins of heaven.

    A part of me wants to keep this machine and tame the hell out of it!
     
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    Before returning it keep that cpu undervolt and just quickly install clevo control centre and choose the overclock fan profile. Then install the latest version of afterburner, ctrl f to get the voltage / clock speed and drag the 950mv point up by 100mhz and apply it. Then throw what you like at it and see what you think :)
     
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    No OC on RAM, I don't even know how to apply it.

    I fear that Cache speed is affecting me.

    Thank you for your advice!

    This means that you run the CPU at 28X on all cores and 31X on cache, per default on Clevo CenteR?
     
  31. GWW1

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    Ah I forgot about that strangeness too, no I have 42 on 1 core and 40 on 2,3,4, and cache as per the default 6700k specs. You can set it in the bios if you want the clevo control centre not to mess with it.
    Also just check the clevo control centre hasn't messed up you power limit too, it should be 95w.
     
  32. Georgel

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    upload_2016-10-23_19-51-10.png upload_2016-10-23_19-51-10.png upload_2016-10-23_19-50-48.png
     
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    Part of the reason i want to return is the insane fan noise even on the OC fan profile. If i could keep the GPU and CPU under 75/80 on auto profile then id probably keep it.
     
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    Yeah they definitely get loud.
    I find with a slightly tweaked version of what I suggested before I never go over 80 on cpu or gpu with maximum load for prolonged periods on high refresh high resolution external monitor and rarely over 70 with both when actually gaming on the laptop screen vsyncd to 75fps. I find the fan noise fine in the laptop only scenario and ok so long as you wear headphones in the external monitor scenario, but it is all personal opinion.
     
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    The cache might be it and overclocking cache barely gives you any performance benefits from any and at the expense of more CPU heat
     
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    Then what is the minimum safe cache setting ?

    I just want as much power as possible and to avoid random resets when I browse internet. I can't see why that happens so far, but I want to avoid all possible bad scenarios ....
     
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    Google for laptop rubber feet in your area
     
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    Are those temps really uncomfortable? Playing Civ 6 on auto fans, I'm getting ~85C CPU and ~80C GPU, all while being pretty quiet. Seems fine to me.
     
  39. Georgel

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    Does this look unstable?

    When clicking on bench CPU, sometimes it's 105% compared to ref 6700K, and sometimes it's 90%...

    http://valid.x86.fr/9hrx2u
     
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    I would really like to shave a few degs of my figures just to make me feel better. Really tempted to keep this and tame it.

    Has anyone tried to lap the heat sinks? I guess a delid is my only option to get what I want.
     
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    200Mhz only? I thought it can do better
     
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    I find that if i do a 5 min stress test before the bench test i do just as good on single core ( 104%) but the multiple core score will drop up to 20% sometimes. If i just do bench after bench there is never any drop.
     
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    I always leave the cache ratio at 0 (meaning, default speed = 41X on the 6700K)
     
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    Can someone tell me what is the default VGA driver on the driver disk? I misplaced my disk and can't find it...

    Just asking because I am experimenting with drivers. So far the best driver I found is 368.71 from Sager website. My framerate is a bit lower in Rise of the Tomb Raider (about 5%) and there are some installation issues, however overall it gives a smoother experience in games, its like if G-Sync was working better with this driver. Later drivers give better framerate, but feel more choppy/sluggish compared to this one. It is WHQL certified, but it must be some custom driver because it is not available on the NVidia page and 3DMark does not recognize it as an accepted driver.
     
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    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    upload_2016-10-24_1-54-57.png
    I think the temperature is rather high in your Cpu validation. Especially in Cpu-z bench / Validation of a stock clock speed.., 83 ° C is quite high during such a simple task.
    Maybe consider a new thermal paste and undervolt. Either apply Liquid Ultra, ICD, Gelid Exstreme or Grizzly Kryonaut. The best thing would of course been delidding your processor and used Liquid metal.

    Regarding Cashe ratio... If you want try lower Cashe ratio, there is no risk associated with this!! :cool: High Cashe is only an advantage if you are looking for the highest numbers in bench. The Performance gains with stock or higher cashe ratio vs lower are small, but lower Cashe ratio = lower processor temperature. See the performance gain with higher cashe ratio in the image. Not the big gain as you can see. Try go under stock Cashe ratio if high cpu temp is a major problem.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Latest one from Clevo for your laptop: nVIDIA GeForce Drivers v10.18.13.6926
     
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    I've tried a few things... seems the only actual improvement is set all to default, which makes the entire thing a bit laggy, but at least it doesn't hang up or restart...

    About getting a new paste, I'm really bad with this, I would rather not open it and risk to further screw it, it was pasted with something something ICD or diamond something I think...

    I've hit default, all on default.

    The rates I'm getting right now are:

    about 30X on cache

    about 40x on cores (no 42 on single core so far)

    ~40C on idle

    ~ 85-90C on load

    I've tried to lower voltage, it was pretty unstable :(, restarted after a while, with hard reset, even though it was not under load

    I've tried to work with those settings, and I've opened around 100 imaged in photoshop, all images in FHD then started saving them one by one. First 50 were EXTREMELY slow and the whole laptop was very sluggish, but the following ones were okay. Maybe it was something because of photoshop having the scratch disk on HDD, but still, it's WD black...

    I really need a guide on what to do, step by step.

    This is what CPU-Z says right now. http://valid.x86.fr/chzv57

    I wish to set the minimum multiplier to 35 instead of 8, I seem to get some very ugly dips to 800MHz sometimes, and those come with very low voltages.

    Maybe there is something to set in Bios to make it work, or maybe Clevo has something broken right now, I don't know. I cannot run throttlestop AT ALL. When I start it, it freezes after ~1 minute, restarts. No way to solve this so far, it happens with or without CC installed, even on fresh windows,..
     
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    please buy a Silicon Lottery CPU and be done with this.

    Sell your current CPU to @Papusan he lives in the snow it it will run fine on his machine.

    70% of the 6700K CPUs I've seen run boiling hot even at stock clocks, just like the past 2 I've had and just like the 10s of people's CPUs that I had helped here with undervolting.

    If you want a free maintenance session from me over TeamViewer, let me know and I will PM you and make your CPU run way cooler and stable

    I have been taught by @Mr. Fox
     
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    Why choose this model over the Eurocom Tornado F5 (MSI
    16L13)? Price seems to be around the same. Thanks.
     
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    Making me worried, should I downgrade to 6600k?
     
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