*** Official Clevo P775DM2/3(-G)/P75xDM2(-G) (Sager NP9152/NP9172) WINGMAN 2.0/BATMAN 3.0 Lounge ***

The new 3k screen is TN aswell. And 72% ntsc.

 

The 3k is very gaming orientated in terms of specs.

 

Is there an ETA yet for the 3K IPS screen? I was going to pull the trigger on a P775DM from HIDEvolution and upgrade later, but maybe I'll wait.

 

Is this the same owner's forum for the SAGER NP9152-S (CLEVO P750DM2)? I'm a new owner of one of these, but I'm not sure if the NP9152-S would fall into this thread or not. To be honest, I'm not even sure exactly what the difference is between the S version and the non-S version.

 

Thank you for the reply. The way I think about this is:
1. Game on 1080p panel with 2xAA - the scene is effectively rendered at 4k, then downsized to 1080p using a filter.
2. Game on 4k panel with no AA - the scene is effectively rendered at 4k.
I don't quite see where major performance degradation comes from in 4k panel case.

 

Hey, welcome! You're in the right place. How are you liking the machine? The difference between S and non-S is that the S includes commonly asked-for upgrades at a slightly better pricepoint. If you configure a Sager NP9152 unit and a NP9152-S to the same specs that the S comes with, the non-S model would be more expensive.

 

What you described with downsampling 4K to FHD is equivalent to 4x SSAA, not 2x MSAA. MSAA does not sample every pixel but those along edges of vertices, so it is relatively cheaper for geometric aliasing. 4x MSAA would produce very similar improvements for purely smoothing out jagged edges as supersampling as long as it's implemented well.

You can try it yourself to see that 4x MSAA is not the same as rendering 4 times the pixels.

 

Thank you, great discussion!

I thought both SSAA and MSAA samples come from a higher resolution scene, and other techniques such as FXAA move the antialiasing logic further down the pipeline by performing additional pixel marking operations.

For the game I'm most concerned about (WoW), nVidia GeForce Experience recommended AA setting is FXAA High, which indeed doesn't involve rendering the original scene at a higher resolution (like both SSAA and MSAA do).
To be more precise, nVidia GeForce Experience recommends rendering the scene at 130% + FXAA High.

However, FXAA and its relatives have inferior image quality, and most visually appealing options still remain the MSAA/SSAA ones that involve starting off with a higher resolution image (see http://eyesofthebeast.com/2015/01/wows-patch-6-1-anti-aliasing-options/ )
And compared to the latter options, I'm thinking that 4K native resolution panel with no AA will achieve better image quality with similar, if not better, performance.
I hope this explains my line of thinking a little bit better.

 

I didn't know there was an IPS 3k screen aswell. Could you link to a source?

 

The audio on P775 is.... One of the best in this world. Talking about the headphone out.

Don't take my word for it, go ant test yourselves!

Coming from using the likes of Chord Mojo, Chord Hugo, and other super audiophile products, I actually plan to sell every other DAC / AMP when getting a P775. It's this good.

The dynamic range is slightly compressed with the settings I'm using, but the levels of detail, soundstage, clarity, treble, bass, everything is so much better than any other DAC/AMP in a resonable price range.

Would still need a Fiio X gen player for walking outside, but for computer audio, this thing has a solution that properly configured can easily be in line with a 1000$-2000$ DAC/AMP. Don't know about the power supply though, since P775 doesn't have dedicated specs about the amp, so it might be lacking in power (probably this is why it has a line out), but the DAC is purely incredible..

Don't take the last statement wrong. For 64OHM headphones, the power is more than enough! So most consumer level headphones and even more than half of audiophile level headphones won't need more amping.

I don't know why this isn't known to the audiophile community, there are 2000$ - 3000$ DAPs out there, and this laptop sounds really close to them O.O

Oh well, those of you prospecting to purchase it, remember than I'm very skeptical to everything before testing, my reviews are known to be fairly skeptical and I judge devices cold blooded. If I make a review for P775, it will be cold blooded too, but the audio part is really something else than I expected

Also, every jack on the motherboard is incredibly firm, including USBs.

To sum this up, P775 is the perfect multimedia laptop. Yes, multimedia. My movie viewing habits equal to about 2GB of vRAM and 70% - 90% GPU usage on this one. So pretty much it can give multimedia consumption to the user fairy well. Please remember that madVR doesn't work with SLI, so there's only desktop XEON + titan pascal to go above this for more performance.

Again, not P870, but P775. Still amazing results in audio might be the same for P870. Tested an Acer Predator of about the same price and it didn't come close to all these things. It did work out of the box though, so you know, pick your poison.

Oh another thing! The keyboard screws can be removed and entire keyboard removed on P775, without taking it apart. At laest without taking heatsink out. was amazed to learn this as even the manual stated otherwise. Well, the place is fairly small, but it's doable with the right screwdriver.

 

Guys i need an opinion..
What about a compare between the Clevo p775 and Clevo P670?
I'm looking for the best dissipation system available under 2k euros.
That's my only and biggest priority to keep the 1060 cold enough to make the notebook live at least 4 or 5 years.
Which one of these 2 models has better temperatures ?
There's a difference of 300 bucks here in italy between P670 and P775, so i have to decide if the game is worth the candle.
I can see 3 fans vs 2 fans.
Less heatpipes vs more heatpipes.
Some other assessments to do about any defects of these 2 notebooks?

 

This is more BGA vs LGA i7. The choice between Plague or Beautiful. The choice is quite simple. P775

 

Ahahah you're right, but if i have to "switch" to the "dark side" of the LGA, I claim even the GPU to be removable!
In so many years, never had problem with the CPUs, but always with GPUs.
And, as I can understand, the Pascal GPUs don't have the MXM interface anymore, so no removable GPU..
Am I wrong?
And what about the pure dissipation?

 

↑↑↑↑ But no one trust that an upgrade is possible with Volta What do you prefer? [email protected] GHz - 6820BGA@+-4.0 GHz or [email protected] GHz?

 

Wait wait, the GPU is or is not removable on the P775? xD
Is removable but we won't be able to upgrade to the Volta GPU?
For what reason?
Excuse me, but my english is a bit rusty!

 

I'm Old After Clevo screwed us with DM1 models, no one trust that upgrade next time is possible.

 

Audio quality is different with headphones

weight is larger on P775

P775 has more power, more cooling

P775 has everything modular, you can manually replace almost anything inside.

P670 has more battery life (if this is important for you)

Theoretcially we should be able to upgrade, but it's not 100% sure that we will be able to.

 

→ → → → [email protected] GHz - 6820BGA@+-4.0 GHz or [email protected] GHz? Need I say more?

 

Before trying it, I didn't know why you kept insisting with it (I've used laptops since 2010, last desktop CPU was a pentium 4).

Man. You are right with this thing. So right... There is simply no other way after you see how strong it is and how good it can be for work... I was expecting a mild improvement at most, but my work goes 2x faster with a desktop CPU.

 

Next goal for you bro Do this with an BGA

 

You need to keep me plugged in for the next adventure, isn't that right? ^_^

Let's see how much juice I'll be able to get out of a 6700K when I can properly OC it

After how much time it fails, if it's to fail? (AKA unstable OC)

 

Exactly 53 hours. No more, no less.

 

You have to expect some trial and error But this is what is fun... Do not copy others' settings and hope it works. Rater Play with TS. Not all silicon is 100% the same. A good bench score with 4.5 / 4.6 GHz, which is at the top of everyone else with the same clock speed is more fun than one done with a higher clock speed but who score much lower than others with the same OC Everything over BGA is acceptable. BGA must DIE!! You agree?

 

Totally have to take BGA out of the picture. Not saying people won't need tablets, phones and 300$ laptops, but for power BGA must get out.

Also, BGA is the main reason Optimus exists, and that thing killed my fun for over a year

You wouldn't believe me if I told you how relieving it is to not have to see Optimus anymore. Only dGPU now!

 

I just love reading @Papusan banter on BGA. 90% of the time, I am laughing my tail off in agreement but the subtleties are often missing and he can come off as very blunt or even forceful. Keep it up bro.

 

It's not my fault That INTEL along with Virtually all OEM's have ruined everything for hardcore power enthusiasts Put BGA in expencive high end laptops... What a JOKE

 

Don't get me wrong, I have no issues with you telling it as it is. I am in complete agreement with you 90% of the time. BGA does have its place with business notebooks though. I need at least 8 hours (but I prefer over 10+ hours) in between charges and unfortunately, I don't see anything viable from Clevo.

 

Not sure if this has been posted or not yet. I'm pretty sure this is a review of the P775dm3:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/scan-3xs-lg17-carbon-extreme-review

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HaHa rather Buy a second battery or two... The case is solved So easy is it to skip BGA I know you prefer socket hardware. +rep

 

There are workstations with limited power BGA CPUs... Workstations... With Quadro graphics and BGA chips

 

I feel your pain, mate.

On a different tangent: Has anyone tried benchmarking the worst-optimised games they have in their collection for ****s and giggles? Someone already mentioned WoW, but it would also be fun to see results for No Man's Sky, Vermintide and the like.

 

Is this a question or a statement?

If a question, then yes. The original P870DM could be outfitted with the Quadro GPU. Perhaps Clevo hasn't yet made a run of the Quadro cards using the new layout for mounting screws? Not sure what the delay may be.

 

It was a statement...

I love workstations with quadro, but lately there are workstations with BGA and low power CPUs coming from some companies... They just miss the purpose of workstations...

P870 with quadro is a great workstation!

 

I thought perhaps you were asking about Quadro GPUs in the new P*DM2/P*DM3 chassis. I've yet to see a retailer with that option. However, my guess is just like I said, with the new layout of the GPUs, they haven't made a run yet. Note, this is all just speculation on my part.

 

Always sort of liked the convenience myself. Are there any options in the BIOS to temporarily switch to the integrated graphics?

 

Not on the P775DM2/3.

 

All traces of Optimus filth are gone!

Celebrate this day for we are free men now!!!

(Don't get me wrong, but Optimus screwed me over one too many times. It has it's uses. Not in a Desktop CPU- Desktop GPU DTR. None of my friends ever noticed the difference, even pro gamers won't notice the difference 99% of time as long as they get enough performance. madVR usage on the other hand - shows the differences easily. Especially when anime is stuttering )

(And let's be honest. This machine, P775 works out for power users. Instead of lagging or turning off, will spin it's fans faster (dissipating the heat instead of throttling), will get things done! It can run a game while benchmarking while playing music while browsing chrome with many tabs while doing other tasks in the background. Haven't tested other DTRs to tell if they can do this too, but this one is able to.)

@Papusan Mate, I found where other BGA was failing. It was throttling instead of spinning up and doing things when I needed how I needed. Finally understood what BGA throttle means.

Don't get it wrong. This type of throttle would mean nothing for over 99.5% of users (most likely users won't even notice it!!!), especially as the GPU can be good on a BGA machine. It was just not working out back there.

 

Anyone have the stock settings for the P775dm3-g 6700k? having a nightmare with it if I'm honest

 

It does support eGPU via Thunderbolt 3, though, right? So we would at least have that as a fallback.

 

Source: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...isplays-gorgeous.795452/page-12#post-10341765

EDIT: I didn't actually see confirmation, I kind of just assumed after seeing it discussed in this thread and other threads.

 

Had this question too!

Seems that once you start tweaking it's hard to find the stock settings again ;_;

You can try to enter UEFI and change everything by pressing F3 then save and exit, it could work.

I'm going to fresh install windows and see if it clears all settings done to everything

 

Tried that the default settings are completely different they top core setting is 28

 

Stock 6700k clocks are:
1 core = 42x
2, 3, 4 core, and cache ratio = 40x

 

Apply 0 on all. This defaults to factory instead of limited Clevo ones

 

Ok, assuming that probably we won't be able to upgrade to the new Volta family..
Does someone know how exactly the GPU is "connected" to the rest of the mobo?
In other words...
Somewhere can we find a complete tear-down of the P775 with Pascal GPU?
I'd appreciate even only pics!
Asking information on Santech's page, I've received this answer:

What the hell should it mean "on socket" ? -.-
The CPU can be "on socket" ... how the GPU?
Thanks for all the speedy replies, by the way!

 

I think by "socket" they mean exactly that - the CPU in mounted in a socket and is removable/upgradable vs. soldered to the motherboard and not removable (BGA)

I suspect the GPU is in a slot rather than a socket, but that's just a guess.

 

I've assembled at least 2 desktops, so I know how the cpu "stays" in a socket! xD
But I'd like to know more about the GPU and how it can be replaced in case of failure (because we're assuming that no upgrade will be possible).

For what we know at the moment, the GPU could be even soldered... :|

 

In the event of hardware failure outside of warranty, you can simply buy a new GPU instead of a whole new motherboard.

 

Pics guys, pics or even a youtube video!

I'm 27, I'm writing from Italy and I'm knowledgeable about CPUs as good as an average nerd.
By the way, here my answer (showed through the "bigger cousin" P870DM3) :



The slot seems a common MXM 3, but assisted from a "power supply" cable... Good to know!
We should make this known!
PS: I apologize for my english, of course... :/

 

@Dany-69 The P870DM/P775DM3 series doesn't have GPU's that are soldered to the main mobo. If the GPU dies, you can replace it with another GPU as long as it works with the Clevo model you have (i.e. A 980m or Desktop 980 GPU for the P870DM-G, 1070 (SLI) or 1080 for the DM2/3).