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I've opened the machine but haven't looked to how good the contact is on the cpu to the heatsink. Worth using copper shims if its uneven as a lot of people have already said?

 

You can't physically tell. You put Liquid Ultra and if you noticed it didn't improve things or is even worse as in my case......then IC Diamond would be the cure..

see this:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-overclockers-lounge.788975/page-156#post-10240358

 

I'll be using pressure paper in order to determine whether a copper shim is needed or not. That's really the only visual way to tell, then there is trial and error of using a thicker paste, however IMO I wouldn't opt for ICD as an easy way out as that is not my #1 choice for paste selection.

Try GELid first...you may luck out and have it tame your temps.

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I'd like to see the temps for the 1070 as well. You'll surely get a review of the 1080...shortly.

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Ouch. Who made you pay extra for MX4? Go take a banana and slap them across the face. jk...

No but really, a repaste is a must and yes remove that toothpaste as fast as you can. Of course I along with almost everyone in here would recommend liquid metal, but if you're wanting to stay traditional paste, go with either 1. GElid or 2. GC Kyronaut.

I have a repaste thread that'll be populated with tons of info on thermal paste, temps etc...for our variant so stay tuned.

For now, before removing the toothpaste, it'd be great if you could get some solid base temps. Take a look at the thread when able and you'll see all the info on the OP.

"Friends don't let friends use MX-4."

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Haha. True.

It's a Silicon Lottery Motherboard, then you'll have to luck out on a decent CPU, then also luck out again on a decent GPU. That's a true lottery, where chances are slim to none.

I've won a few times with some decent performers, but it was scratch ticket level. Not even the lottery.

It's possible. Just not common.

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and you still have an Alienware avatar

 

I don't get it, MX-4 always performs really well in all the bench tests. Within a few points of GELid.

 

As you've probably saw, I have MX4 standing by to repaste just to show how rubbish it is. Same category as toothpaste likey and I have that too lol.

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You can multi quote or even Edit your post. A tip. Because the thread will be damn long if everybody do the same
Btw. ICD is the only choice if the heatsink is warped/uneven and you don't want to use a shim or sand your heatsink lottery

Edit @Scotster Don't relying on tests like what you showed!! Also read http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...x-980-overheating.789202/page-5#post-10218939

 

Of course it would be an oxymoron to be recommending a bga on these threads, but as long as people understand that mobile chips are in a different class as a desktop chip then...

Depending on what you're doing, if you're needing the CPU power and it's that demanding for your work then a 6700K is definitely the one to go with. You can still get a pretty slim form factor with the 775 and have it loaded with a 6700K and a GPU of your choice...

If you don't mind me asking, what type of work do you do that taxes the CPU? Because I too rely heavily on the CPU for CPU intensive tasks...

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..as well as easily swapped out at anytime. I honestly don't think a 6700 should even have been an option. It just makes me SMH. For the cases where people may have their own 6700K's, a no CPU option would be ideal over offering a "why bother / 6700 chip / uneeded extra cost." That's just my opinion. To each his own.

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Well said. For those that know, we know that the 6820HK isn't a crap chip if one gets lucky to get a decent one.

However, it still needs to be emphasized that as bad as bga may seem to some that don't understand there being a purpose for it (thin, portability, practical machines like the XPS for example), it's just as bad to be feeling good about comparing a mobile chip to a desktop chip and constantly being surprised that a Desktop chip is greater than a mobile chip. Dislexia?

It should also be mandatory that anyone looking at a DTR should not even be considering a (6700)...at this range it's either go big or go home. Unless someone already has a 6700K waiting, a 6700 option is not logical. That's like buying a $100K luxury car and skimping out of leather seats or better yet floor mats (better analogy since the price difference is so little) to save on cost.

Just my opinion.



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Oh, I don't know.

Here's a plan (sarcasm starts... Now)
A) buy 30 of the exact same config of your favorite bga book.
B) OC each one til you find the best CPU.
C) Return 14 if you hit the lottery. But be prepared to return all back to the vendor, and rethink about which socketed laptop you want instead.

Ok. Ok. Just kidding.

Most of us had said before that BGA has its place, and we hope to educate others about those low end, throw away or tiny form factored devices. BGA excels in these scenarios.

 

Perhaps you're not seeing meaning and the socketed chip in the avatar

Edit: NBR has been so strange lately. Why is it showing / defaulting back to my old avatar? Strange...I've tried to reload several times...well there it goes....but will it stick?

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I am on my phone at the moment as I normally would multi quote. Perhaps I can fix it when I get back to the office.

Edit: Yikes...I'm at my office now, but even if I multi quote it'll just leave a bunch of empty posts. Eh...I'll wait to reply next time lol...anyhow...and life goes on.

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I got my machine from pcspecialist. Temps so far have been high when under stress but the -125 undervolt has helped. Sitting here now everything on speedfan is at 35/34. I may invest in some liquid ultra and do as you say test it if no improvement then maybe repaste to a better paste.

 

Lots and lots of rendering, compiling, running games at the same time, debugging, drawing, music rendering, encoding, decoding...

There was a cool song by Daft Punk named Technologic

Everything that includes editing / creating / compiling / debugging games and software in general.

Also Virtual Machines to test different changes in a game or software

CPU power is really important, and even a tiny bit of juice in plus can make a world of a difference

 

Very nice mate. We sound like twins expect that I'm more on the video side of things. The 6700K is a must, hands down.

Great song btw...

 

Any information yet on how loud the P750DM2-G gets with a 1070?

Most information I've seen is on the P775 with a 1080.

 

GTX1070 on p750dm2 consumes about 140w. And this is very much increased compared to last generation GPUs such as 980m 970m.
The fan loudness would mainly depends on what you do but I can confirm you that p750 and p775 is not a silent notebook.
You have to think this way.

If the laptop is technologically high-ends, then it is loud.
If laptop is silent, then it must be low-end with some power limitation.

 

Since P750DM2 and P775DM2/3 are not even remotely the same chassis, it would be nice to actually have two separate threads for each, I understand why P75xDM and P77xDM did, as they were almost identical, aside from size, hence it made sense they shared threads, I do not understand why these laptops share a thread, it makes zero sense, any one searching for info about either laptop has to sift through pages of info, wouldn't it be better to separate them before the thread gets to big ?

Most information on this thread is about P775DM, maybe the original poster can edit the thread name, and someone can create a separate thread for P750DM2 owners .

 

Yeah, that was my line of thinking. The search function loses a lot of it's value when you mash models together like in this thread.

It seems like the focus has been on the 775 in this thread. So perhaps there should be a new one for the 750?

 

Valid points. Can't argue that

Maybe they will create a new Thread for just P750DM2's...

 

Exactly why I'm currently considering the GT62VR.
I would prefer the P750DM2-G, but the K processor seems to tip laptops over the edge when paired with pascal.

 

So we've just to ignore someone elses test (and every test I have ever seen) while relying on yours as accurate? This isn't my first rodeo by the way. I've been overclocking my hardware and repasting for decades.

Comparing MX-4 to toothpaste just shows desperation in your argument to me. If I find MX-4 to be poor performing I'll have no issues whatsoever replacing it and posting as such, but it won't be on your word.

Edit: Found a bunch of test results that includes toothpaste and butter.....

 

You still awaiting your machine? Enjoy the quiet before it arrives they are noisy

 

Indeed. I think I'm going to drop to the 1080p screen too, the wait is just annoying me now. I had a bit of a rant on the forum and started getting help from James that's on the forum. He said its going to be at least 3 weeks due to supplier issues.

I don't even know if the spec of the screen is worth waiting for.

 

That's what changed my mind in the end. A 60Hz 4k when better screens are on the way. James was the guy e-mailing me but in the end I solved my own issues with persistence as I felt I was being messed around. Even went and picked it up myself and I live nowhere near Wakefield. Love the machine it's beast it just needs a little fine tuning. If re-pasting is needed I don't mind doing it but an updated bios would be nice

 

I don't talk about toothpaste in the reply to you... But if you rely on this test, Oh'well Take a look.... Artic Silver 5 give you better temperature than Clu aka Coolaboratory Liquid Ultra. What a joke!! Same also with Gelid Extreme and ICD 7. The old Arctic Silver 5 Beat almost all well known thermal paste in this review. Maybe you as well should switch to AS5, LOL
I hope also overclockers as bro @Mr. Fox @TBoneSan @ajc9988 @bloodhawk @godfafa_kr can see this and give you some good advices
Yeah. Never listen to other users experience... And rather Be your own Guinea pig!! Not the smartest thing I've heard, Oh'well!!

 

I've used AS5 in the past with great success, its a decent paste. In fact I have a half tube in my drawer right now and my current desktop PC has it on the CPU. I only managed 2nd and third here though......

http://www.superpi.net/Scores/?acti...rm=Desktop&series=Core+i7+3000K+Series&rpp=20

The difference between the pastes is so minimal that one being "better" than the other could be purely down to the error factor so I wouldn't suggest for one second that AS5 was better than CL, it just got a better result in that test by a degree or whatever it was. Exactly the same test on a different day may yeild different results but the fact remains that the difference between them would be negligible, certainly not in the multiple degrees.

I listen to other peoples advice and experience all the time, not when it comes across as bitter and petty though. Calling MX-4 similar to toothpaste is just nonsense and you're coming across as a complete fanboy. I welcome anyones input to this, I will completely disregard anything that comes across as bitter though...... which is exactly how you are coming across.

 

Do you have detailed information on the screens? Is the 4k screen 60hz? I was under the impression that the 1080 screen was 75hz?

 

While it's true that these tests have a ton of variance due to differences in operating conditions, application technique, and whatnot, CLU is worlds better than traditional pastes, and there's almost no way that it should be performing worse than AS5 barring a warped heatsink or some other confounding factor. In any case, while different tests will show different pastes performing at the top, on average most tests that I see usually have Kryonaut and Gelid finishing near or at the very top.

Of course, AS5 works fine as a thermal paste. There's nothing really wrong with it, and there's a reason it used to be a top seller. It's just that there are (probably) better pastes nowadays.

 

Quite impressed with the mayonaise actually!

 

I completely agree and totally accept that. My point is that the difference between middle of the road and absolute top end is only a degree or 2. The proper liquid metal TIMs might even net you 5C at the top end, it's not exactly a game changer though and only really comes into play when you need the absolute maximum out of the cooling (proper overclocking) etc.

MX-4 is perfectly fine paste, it's not the best but it's not going to cost you more than a degree or 2 when compared to the "best".

 

Must have been "cool" mayonnaise

 

The 4k is 60Hz and the 1080 it's 75 but will handle 100hz

 

Please can you show me where I compare thermal paste with toothpaste?
And yeah, Super Pi push your hardware to the limit?
Second..., Don't compare the better cooling(high pressure and better heatsink) in desktop vs. the much weaker cooling in laptops.

A few benchmarks done with my OC'd 6700K + Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra in a notebook. You will find a lot of them if you Google or look in my sig.
And I can tell you, there is a bigger difference than it could be purely a error of margin!!
Remember the Bench scores is executed from a notebook and not desktop!!

http://hwbot.org/submission/3306401_papusan_cinebench___r11.5_core_i7_6700k_11.74_points

http://hwbot.org/submission/3218735_papusan_cinebench___r15_core_i7_6700k_1065_cb

http://hwbot.org/submission/3285647_papusan_wprime___32m_core_i7_6700k_4sec_148ms

http://hwbot.org/submission/3212874_papusan_wprime___1024m_core_i7_6700k_2min_12sec_491ms

Forget to perform similar bench results done by laptop hardware if you prefer paste of junk quality!!

 

IT can reach 75 Hz but the refresh rate of this particular screen is not good enough to do more than 60Hz.

So you will be able to pull 75Hz, but it doesn't refresh that fast




Guys! So much lol with thermal solutions

I wish it were simpler to know which is better? I mean, would it be kryonaut? (no CLU for me, it's scary)

 

The most important thing is to gather data and advice from the many who have used the varies pastes over and over again, rather than relying on certain tests alone on the internet.

The best thermal goodness is Liquid Metal. Period.

CLLU or Grizzly Conductonaut.

Then if you are wanting to use traditional paste, I'd recommend (others will agree) these as being the top 2:

1. GELid Extreme
2. Grizzly Kyronaut

I'd like to add that when it comes to high end machines, every bit of drop in temp counts. One degree could mean the difference of throttling or reaching a limit vs not. This is why using the absolute best is the wise choice, especially with a 6700K and Pascal.

There are many on here, including myself that have experimented with a lot of different pastes, so the recommendations that are given are very valid ones.

It's also important to keep in mind that not all pastes are created equal in terms of its integrity. That's the problem with a lot of these online thermal paste charts in that those are freshly applied pastes vs showing temp numbers that are weeks and months old... I look at some of those numbers and it really makes me laugh, because I (we) know from experience that the data being presented is very inaccurate to real world results.

IMO the only thermal substance that a DTR with desktop components should ever see are:

1. Liquid Metal: Grizzly Conductonaut or CLLU
2. GELid Extreme
3. Grizzly Kyronanut
4. ICD? Not my favorite, but it's among the thickest that can cure intolerance with gaps and unevenness...

 

I didn't say you did, I was making a statement based on previous statements.

Here you go again, "paste of junk quality"? Are you for real?

SuperPi doesn't really push the temps at all, my point was more regarding how much of an OC is required to get anywhere near the top end of the results tables. Although it doesn't record it I was running 5GHz on a Corsair H60 with AS5.

Given how low end that cooler is the combination with the AS5 is performing great.

Now, you're clearly and advocate of CLU...... do you have any data to show that AS5 wouldn't allow you to reach the same sort of results?

I'll give you an example. I'm currently wearing an anti-lightening t-shirt. It works better than other anti-lightening t-shirts as I've never been hit by lightening. All other anti-lightening t-shirts are junk quality because mine is the best.

 

I would go for ICD if Liquid ultra isn't a choice for you bro. Especially if heatsink is warped/uneven. But Gelid Extreme and Grizzly Kryonaut wil last you long if heatsink is of great quality. But use other paste than those 3+Liquid metal ..., Save your money and the work Wasted $$$

Edit @Scotster I have tried several thermal paste (also AS5) on my OC'd mobile Hotwell 4930Mx with terrible results. I couldn't execute my preferred benchmarks with a decent overclock. And I can tell you..., Hotwell mobile Extreme is terrible hot. Even worse if you put in a decent overclock!!
You can ask people who have had Haswell mobile Extreme!!

 

I have never said anything to the contrary. My entire point, which people seem to be completely missing, is that the difference between them ALL is so negligeable that unless you are pushing the absolute limits of your equipment that it makes next to no difference what one you use.

I always use a decent paste, not the best, because I don't want it drying up and I want it to maintain reasonable temps. Just about every single TIM paste that I can buy over £5 does that in spades.

Because your system runs 1degC cooler than mine at full load isn't really a lot to get hung up about.

 

Hmm, I think I may drop to the 1080 then.

 

The 4K screen is 60Hz and doesn't OC to more than 62-63Hz.

 

Yikes, I'd be afraid of blowing a gasket.

 

I think you've answered your own question without realizing it mate. It boils down to the integrity of the paste. If you're paying thousands of dollars on a DTR, why would you opt for a medium grade paste? To save a few bucks? Do you plan on frequently changing out the paste on your machine? Even so, using a mid level paste is a bit of an oxymoron on a high end beast.

That's like using cheap oil in your Ferrari. Really?

I hope you're seeing the point here. Just trying to help.

 

You've changed your tune a bit now though have you not? Mid range paste was garbage to you not so long ago. I HATE the bog standard intel pastes and the like, we could definitely see eye to eye on their quality but I still wouldn't compare them with toothpaste.

I see your point, I just don't agree with it. My choice in paste is based on performance, not cost. I'm not going to order up a new paste and repaste for the sake of 1 degree. What I WILL do is re-paste regardless as I prefer to do it and I don't trust suppliers to do it correctly. My system will be supplied with a syringe of MX-4 which I will re-apply and then bench. If I get the results I'm after then I'll settle for that, if not then I will look to eek out some degrees by upping the paste. In fact I may even bench it before the re-paste just to see how it's running.

I've got AS5, MX-2, MX-4 and a whole fresh tube of colgate that I can try. I wouldn't touch liquid metal, far too corrosive.

I put good oil in my car, I don't put the best top end race oil in my car..... it's not a race car.

 

This is a lost cause. LOL... It's clear that you just don't get it.

I haven't changed my tone, I still think it's silly to be putting mid grade paste on a high end machine. (I'm saying 'mid' to be nice btw...) It's clear that you obviously don't understand the analogy being made here.

You're defending a mid grade...let's change the tone again...you're defending a low grade paste (compared to what's available today) for nothing. If you're stuck in that mentality then no one can help you. We're just trying to recommend you the best, but those online charts seem to have you hypnotized from thinking logically.

I think you've also clearly missed the point of the cheap oil in an expensive high end sports car analogy. I don't know what else to say, but to have fun with your MX4 on a Clevo. SMH...

To each his own...good luck.

 

Delided and undervolted, [email protected] will run very nicely and cool.