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    *** Official Clevo P775DM2/3(-G)/P75xDM2(-G) (Sager NP9152/NP9172) WINGMAN 2.0/BATMAN 3.0 Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Aug 3, 2016.

  1. Meaker@Sager

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    Tasty shots there :D
     
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    Is the P775DM3 much louder than the P870DM2 (single card) at full load? So 1080 comparison.

    Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
     
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    How is the keyboard with regards to heating up?
     
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    Anyone recommend a good laptop cooler for on the knee for this laptop?
     
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    I thought people would like to know that Eurocom now has updated their Sky line of P7XX to the Pascal variants. In particular, they are selling P775 with 120 Hz AUO screen as the default screen choice (before FHD). US$2083 for 1070, $2507 for 1080 before taxes and shipping. I think this is quite good.

    http://www.eurocom.com/ec/configure(2,386,0)ec

    The P75X doesn't have a 120 Hz screen option unfortunately, and no 1070.

    http://www.eurocom.com/ec/configure(2,387,0)ec

    Note launch dates: both 15th Sept.

    I will most likely be getting this from Eurocom. I just want to ask 2 things:

    1) does anyone know if Eurocom does barebones i.e. no RAM, CPU?
    2) since Kaby Lake is approaching quite soon and I can afford to wait a little, do you all think a prospective i7700K cpu would need new bios etc, or would it just be plug and play?

    Hadriel
     
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    Surprised that it's been 3 weeks and there's still no P775DM3 search result on YouTube.

    Any reviews I've missed? :)

    Off topic: how can I fix NBR's layout on my mobile, it's pretty off since 3 or 4 days ago?
     
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  7. i_pk_pjers_i

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    I would email [email protected] to ask if they do barebones, I'm pretty sure that they do and I would be surprised if they don't.

    As for Kaby Lake, if it's the same chipset then I'm sure a BIOS update would be able to make it supported.
     
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    Yeah the output is more important If that's what you meant but no drivers, no footprint in the device manager with on board realtek isn't it a bit confusing & letdown ?
    Oh the cooling on 1070 and 1080 is much different !!
    Glad to see the heatpipes extend to the end unlike the 1080 HS.
     
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    My guess is that sound being sent to headphones is automatically being handled by the ECC sabre chip which resides somewhere on the PCB then sent to an amplifier to the headphone jack. So I suppose the process handling headphone audio out is relatively straightforward and does not need drivers, but the sound being sent to speakers and digital out (by Realtek chip) does because of multichannel audio and such? It would be nice if @Meaker@Sager or other company rep could confirm there is in fact an ESS Sabre DAC chip somewhere on the motherboard :)
     
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    The fans in those pics look huge
     
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    Did i miss a post and is the cooling for the 1080 actually worse than the 1070?
     
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    Really hope it isn't
     
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    It was a long back old post, pointed by a user here, here I'll let you see it for yourselves.
    Cooling on P75xDM 1 vs P7xxDM2-3 - Post 1 & 2
     
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    I just ordered the beast through Dream machines, eta 4-6 weeks because the 120hz Gsync screen needs to be ordered directly from Clevo .

    X1080-17PL52
    • Display: 17.3"
    • GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 G-Sync Technology
    • Processor: i7-6700K Overclockable
    • RAM memory: Kingston HyperX Impact DDR4, 16GB, 2400MHz, CL14, Kingston HyperX Impact DDR4, 16GB, 2400MHz, CL14, None, None,
    • HDD: Samsung SpinPoint M9T 2TB, None,
    • Flash memory: Samsung 950 Pro 512GB PCIe 3.0 ,None ,
    • Warranty: +1 Year Warranty,
    • OS: Windows 10 Home + USB + Installation
    • Thermal Paste: Thermal Grizzly - Kryonaut
    • Bios: Prema vBIOS ,Prema BIOS ,
    • Wlan: Intel Wlan + BT
    • Modem: None
    • Price: 3030 euro
     
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    Sorry for my absence, I will perform test today at night when I return home.
     
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    Thanks for taking the time to find these posts and link to them! I see what you were getting at now with regard to cooling on the 1070 and 1080.
    Im even more unsure now if i should proceed with getting a 1080 or perhaps downgrade to a 1070 especially as the laptop needs to last a good 4 years
     
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    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    I am very skeptical to use Grizzly Kryonaut. Clevo and Heat Sink is a hit or miss!! Ask if they can switch to ICD, as this paste is best if heatsink is uneven / warped. + the Life span on thinner paste is very short duo bad fit from heasink. Even more important when the heatsink is uneven / warped.
     
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    I dont have p870dm2 but p775dm3 is more silent than p870dm1.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Don't jinx me brother :D

    Thanks for the tip, much appreciated
     
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    Maybe they were trying to cut down on the weight because of the weight that pulls down on the motherboard could damage it in time.

    I would stay that as long as it does it's job, they could had used a single pipe, it's more about the efficiency than the quantity.

    Running those pipes all the way into the fans was not going to yield much improvement, since the first pipe would take in the most of the effect, while the other pipes would take less advantage from the cooling. With this new design, theoretically they might cool all three pipes better, and running the pipes for so long actually makes the pipes store heat more than shorter pipes, the design would be improved.

    Now the fans and the improvement on fans, is completely another story.
     
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    Yeah I thought that also. Plus the fans have changed from 5v to 12v I think it's going to be under load but that's not a bad for what this beast has inside it
     
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    So i have read a few posts that said that IC Diamond is the way to go for paste. However i cant seem to find out much information with regards to thermal pads.
    The only brands i seem to have access to are EK Water Blocks and Thermal Grizzly. Has anyone had any experience with either of them? Should i opt for another brand? Also what sort of thickness should i be opting for? 1mm 0.5mm?
    Thanks again!
     
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    Generally the pads are less important, I am using grizzly at the moment as I could get free delivery on them and they were in the right sizes for me.
     
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    How many are you using
     
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    After stabbing my credit card in the heart a couple of times ended up ordering the following for my 750DM2 :

    512GB SM961 Samsung NVMe
    2TB Samsung HDD
    250GB 850 Evo Samsung SSD
    32GB 2800MHz DDR4 G.Skill

    What can I say its not just making the kid, there are maintainance costs!! ;) ;)

    Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
     
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    Nice!
    But you sure that 2800 mhz cl18 ram was a good choice? I mean for a few extra $ you can get 3000 MHz cl16 GSkill or Corsair.
     
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    Does anybody know what are the differences between Dm2 and DM3 for P775?
     
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    I actually had trouble finding 3000MHz gskill ram thats why. I'll try to look around for the corsair memory and I'll cancel my gskill if i find it :)

    Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
     
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    Nice!
    I have bought the same from Amazon US, mine arrived yesterday with priority shipping. The laptop is not here yet thou, but hopefully it will arrive tomorrow so I could try it out :) According to the Clevo product page it should be supported.
    BTW the latency of the Corsair is better.
    The latency for the GSkill is 16,18,18,41 and the latency for Corsair is 16, 18, 18, 39 :)
     
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    No need to buy a OCed memory if you have some knowledge of memory OC just like CPU OC with the new clevo p750dmx and p775dmx since these support custom memory profile.

    Moreover, corsair or gskill or any OCed memory is merely samsung or hynix ram stick with OCed SPD and XMP profile.

    I am using samsung stock memory OCed at 3000mhz.

    3000.jpg
     
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    Yeah I thought of that but I always buy OC'ed memory. Less headache for me

    Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
     
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    Well after many hours of testing i can say that there´s no way you won´t throttle a 6700K in this unit if you are pulling hard on both GPU and CPU.
    Even our delidded ones will eventually throttle.

    So looking at Core Voltages i would say the values are a bit too high no? So a bios with lower voltage offset would make sense.
    For now, you need to lower the Core Voltage Offset to at least -110, then it won´t go much higher then 80ºC leaving you a fair room to OC.

    Even though many don´t like this app, you should install Intel Extreme Tuning and set CORE VOLTAGE OFFSET to -110.

    Also notice that most units i tried fail at installing XTU, i actually need to Uninstall CLEVO Hotkey (Control Center) then reboot, then install XTU and then install Control Center.

    Latest Version for Control Center seems to be v5.0001.0.81
     
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    That is a real shame I'm awaiting a dm3 is this a problem for all of them or just dm1/2?
     
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    Probably most present in 6700K / GTX 1080 combos.

    I would say it should be easy fixed with next BIOS versions, with the simple guide i just gave you should have a combination of temperatures around 80ºC CPU and 80ºC GPU - GTX 1080.
    Those are my temperatures, and i think it is just fine. For those who will say that they do not like XTU just remember that latest CONTROL CENTER already installs some kind of XTU service, so it is almost the same as having XTU installed, seems CLEVO went this way.

    The only thing i did not solve is the CPU / MEMORY OC app which is present in the New Control Center versions, did anyone actually manage to make it work? I get a loading screen and puff nothing...
     
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    Do these systems have the same issue as the P770ZM where the audio output jack goes dead when you bring it out of sleep and don't have the Clevo Control Center software installed? The only fixes are to either have the Clevo software running or reboot.
     
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    Delided ones are at what temps?
    Mine is very nice at temp.
    I am using mx4 or gelid extreme outside on CPU and GPU. (I like gelid extreme more but ran out of it)
    And Liquid pro inside the IHS.
    My temps are great.
    I love this machine, p775dm3. No throttle without OC.

    As other previous 6700k p750dm~p770~p870dm series, this one also has CPU throttle when it is
    OCed over 4.5 but no throttle if you dont OC.

    AMA if you are curious about p775dm3. I have it and I am using it with love.
     
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    DM2 is with 1070, DM3 is with 1080.
     
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    123.jpg

    This is my 3dmark Firestrike score and temperatures
    My CPU was Oced @ 4.5 whiled testing and delided.
    No external cooler and fan table was "overclocked" not "max".
    Max temp for CPU and GPU were 82 and 74C respectively.
     
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    If undervolting fixes the issue without losing processing power I don't mind adjusting it until they either fix bios. I don't mind xtu and cc on my last laptop was almost useless to me. I'm still worried by those 80degree temperatures for both. I may undervolt slightly further and underclock the 1080 slightly i don't think any game right now uses all that power yet. We'll have to hope for a prema bios mod asap
     
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    Are you sure about that? Have you tried getting both CPU and GPU at 100% usage for some time?
    I tried three different 6700K delidded CPUs, all with same result!

    And by the way, P775DM3-G is available with GTX 1060 / 1070 and 1080.
    The P775DM2-G should only have 1070 and 1060 available, but since i don´t sell this model i do not know much about it. I´m not even sure if the P775DM2-G comes with same graphic slot or is like the P775 where you can only fit 1060 / 1070.
     
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    Please tell me what you mean and how I can get both CPU & GPU 100% usage.
    I will do so.
    Till now, in real usage and most used benches my system is good withoug throttle.
     
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    Yeap i get almost the same with 3D Mark, but there´s not a single test which runs for enough time to get you where i was talking.
    Even a GTA5 warms my unit more than 3D Mark...

    Keep in mind that most benchs are not the same as a real world scenario, in real life a client maybe leave his laptop ON all night doing a render. He might play GTA5 or modded Crysis3 with GSYNC OFF for 4+ hours.
     
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    With your OC did you undervolt?
     
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    Look, it is as simple as this, if you are not getting throttle in ANY thing you actually do with your laptop then just leave as it is! It is perfect for you ;)
    BUT if you ever come into a situation or a scenario where you see your CPU throttle, don´t be scared, just do a small voltage offset like i posted, simple as that.

    As a reseller the last thing i want to do is saying to my clients that the CPU might throttle in certain situations, but hey, it´s life, and i can only hope for a future fix, or i´ll probably have to fix it myself. So if everything is good, great, if not there´s an easy solution.
     
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