*** Official Clevo P770ZM / Sager NP9772 and P770ZM-G / Sager NP9773 Owner's Lounge ***

Not sure if I'm going to wait for that IPS screen myself, I'm not that picky when it comes to screens

 

JB are you bloody serious? I was waiting for an IPS screen option for the 17"... Now if Clevo standardises this... And where is my i7-4790K machine with SLI GPU's? Come on Clevo

 

Is it possible to connect two Samsung XP941 to the P77xZM?
Will both work as PCIe x4 or will it switch to PCIe x2?

 

Go ahead jaybee83...rain on my parade...burst my bubble...break my heart...killjoy!!

 

Does anyone have the P770ZM yet? I ordered it from ProStar Clevo on the 23rd and have been looking everywhere for a proper review but can't seem to find one.

 

Sager shipped their first ones on Friday the 23rd so they should start arriving to people soon. Shortly after we should start seeing reviews get posted.

 

have u seen that review on notebookcheck yet? ive linked it before here in the thread... unless ure talking about user reviews HTWingnut is supposed to do one soon...rumours say...

 

Oh I didn't know that, thanks. Should I wait to get it then? I currently have a clevo p151sm1 so I think this would be a HUGE upgrade.

Yeh I'm looking for user reviews

 

Sorry for double post. (Content moved to post above)

 

If you already have it ordered I do not see any reason to wait any longer. While the chassis is new, the hardware has proven to be very nice.

 

I'm mainly concerned about the cooling in it. It looks like a really intense heat sync, I just don't want to be a guinea pig haha.

I'm getting the base model with a 970m 6gb and just the 4790 as I see no need to overclock it. I plan on replacing the 8GB of ram in the system with the 16GB of ram in my current p151sm1, I also plan to add a samsung 840 evo in it to put windows 7 on (because windows 8 is garbage imo).

I should receive the system February 3rd - 6th (Prostar Clevo told me it would ship on the 29th I'm hoping I get it sooner than that), So I could do a review of some sort if anyone would like. Just let me know what you would like to see or hear about

I'm getting the pc for the following reasons:
1. To upgrade my current notebook (P151SM1: 770m 3GB, 4700MQ 2.4GHz, 16GB ram)
2. To be able to play games at Ultra settings (I have no doubt this notebook should have no problem doing this)
3. I am a game development student and feel as if this notebook will be a great investment for this purpose.

EDIT: Actually I just looked at CPUBoss and found out the 4700MQ has a max temp of 100C, and the 4790 has a max temp of ~73C, So I'm not too concerned about cooling anymore since my P151SM1 has really good cooling with some tiny heat syncs (compared to the beast of one in the NP9772/P770ZM).

 

that info is only partially correct. the max temp of all haswell cpus is 100C, at which throttling starts. that quoted 73C is the max temp allowed at the IHS though, not the chip itself iirc

 

Thank you for that! In that case they are equivalent but I should still have no need to be concerned then, since the cooling system in the NP9772 looks amazing compared to the one in my P151SM1 Click Here for a pic

Assuming this is the cooling system in the NP9772

 

indeed it is

 

I was stuck between this and the GS70 - Stealth Pro 2QE
But this seems like the clear winner..
I'm so stoked, can't wait to get this beast of a machine.

 

From this 藍天Clevo it looks like 1x4 + 1x2 or 2x2
• Three M.2 card slots
-1st for WLAN Combo M.2 2230 Card with PCIe and USB interface
-2nd for SSD M.2 2280 Card with SATA / PCIe x2/x4 interface
-3rd for SSD M.2 2280 Card with SATA / PCIe x2 interface

 

As I mentioned before, I think 4 lanes total are available. Guess we'll find out sooner or later if 6 total are available. Im thinking it will be 4. Current pcie ssd's get just as hot as CPU/gpu's. Waiting for the 850 m.2 to come out. SATA speeds are fine by me since they do parallel transfers so well anyways. If samsung surprises with an 850 pcie that stays less than 60* full speed I may opt in but until then I want the current low heat SATA ssd's.

 

heat isnt that much of an issue tbh. a simple thermal pad that connects the drive to the keyboard / chassis suffices to keep temps in the safe zone thats why vendors ship such pcie ssds with thermal pads already installed

 

Its too toasty if a thermal pad comes preinstalled. I'm willing to sacrifice the performance for less heat.

 

Test One K73-5N (Clevo P771ZM) Notebook - Notebookcheck.com Tests

Ah, stated review is in english, but it was just translated. My bad.

 

some prototype m.2 pcie ssds have already been shown in stress tests without any heatsinks whatsoever so im optimistic for the near future in that regard. im expecting the first drives maxing out the four pcie 2.0 lanes this summer / fall at the latest with random IOPS hitting the 300.000+ range, good times! until then ill stick to my 850 pro 1tb

 

If you can find a heatsink low enough to fit the M2, you can use fujipoly ultra/extreme (15/17 w/mk heat - not sure if it's the other way around).

 

I'm really interested in the Samsung SM951[1] but I'm not sure if it would be possible to use it on the P77xZM.
What changes are necessary to support NVMe drives? Just a BIOS update?


[1] http://forum.notebookreview.com/sol...407-samsung-sm951-nvme-ssd-released-soon.html

 

not really sure on that front yet... best case scenario would be that the ZM series already have NVMe compatibility implemented, middle case would be a simple bios/EC update, worst case is that some hardware change would be needed for compatibility.

concerning the SM951, no worries though: AnandTech | Samsung Launches SM951 M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 SSD for OEMs/SIs

the SM951 is AHCI, after all, samsung decided not to release it as an NVMe drive, so its definitely compatible with the ZM machines and PCIe 3.0 is downwards compatible to 2.0, so no worries there either

 

any updates on the screen? IPS options on the horizon? anyone else worried about the cooling? cooling on the batman isnt looking too hot

 

I didn't know that. Thanks for pointing out!
I just don't understand how the SM951 without NVMe can reach 2,150MB/s (17.2Gb/s[1]) been a SATA v3.2 device (16Gb/s[2]).


[1] AnandTech | Samsung Launches SM951 M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 SSD for OEMs/SIs
[2] Serial ATA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

PCIe 2.0 gives you 0.5 GB/s theoretical throughput, so that amounts to max. 2 GB/s at 4 lanes.

PCIe 3.0 gives you double the bandwidth per lane of 2.0, thus 1 GB/s per lane, that makes 4 GB/s at 4 lanes. so the SM951 is still inside its maximal theoretical bandwidth at PCIe 4x

umm....we just discussed that like one page back cmon, dont be lazy, this thread isnt really that long yet

 

That's ok!
The problem is they've published an SM591 achieving more than 16Gb/s on AHCI mode. That's not in the SATA Express v3.2 specification[1].

[1] http://www.knowledgetek.com/graphicsNew/SerialATA_Revision_3_2_Gold(with Links).pdf

 

were talking about m.2 pcie, not sata express though... thats a different kind of port

 

SATA Express[1] works with two different logical device interfaces: AHCI and NVMe. Both of them through M.2.

[1] https://www.sata-io.org/sites/default/files/documents/SATA_Express-SV2013.pdf

 

If the bus can handle it then you may be able to exceed specifications sometimes.

 

Wish that was true for usb2. Never saw any eye popping results with usb2. Usb3 was/is good enough for an external VM if you don't mind the latency.

 

I'm a bit worried about what I read from the NBR:

And also:

 

Yeah I think the 330w is in order

 

I just hope that was a fluke and not a sign of a bigger design issue.

 

luckily, no owner of the 751 has posted this behaviour yet @Freezing / not booting

ok, now i see ur problem: as ive said before, the SM951 is able to utilize 4 lanes of PCIe 3.0, that results in a maximum bandwidth of 4GB/s. that pdf file shows an example of only 2 lanes being used, thus 2GB/s. so its all good

 

What is the difference between the ZM and the ZM-S?

 

they differ in their component configuration. same model, same chassis, just different base config

 

you mean the physical components are aligned different or that what is included component wise is different to start?

 

the latter. so, just as an example, the S version would start with an SSD in its base config, whereas the regular model would start off with a platter drive. this is just an example though and doesnt have to be exactly like that in reality. as far as i know, this "S version" is specific to Sager and its resellers. nothing special though, u can basically configure the regular model to the same config as the S version dunno if the price would still be the same tho!

 

cool...thanks

i was just about to say that...i tried speccing them out the same and the prices were different.. i honestly dont remember which was higher and it wasnt a lot but still..

i appreciate your answer

I am almost ready to pull the trigger...

 

The s models usually contain more and/or upgraded components. And price is usually a better deal on a s model compared to one manually upgraded.

 

This is exactly right. If you took a non S and S model and put the same specs in both, you would have identical computers, but the S would cost less.

 

Just got mine... (P771ZMwith 4790k and 970m)

Was excited at first but then i started testing and results seem a bit alarming to me... Idle temperatures (12-20% CPU usage) is showing 60-72°C (at room temperature less than 20°C)!!!
When i put windows powermanagment on power saving the cpu clock goes down to about 900MHz but temperature only drop like 5-7°C..

The instant I start doing something more CPU intensive, like starting a 3D render, CPU temperatures instantly (literally) go to 103°C and that kinda scares me

I know a desktop cpu is expected to get hot in a laptop, but this I find kinda rediculous and honestly its useless.
The reason i choose this laptop was because of performance but now i feel a standard mobile CPU would've been a better choice because all the potential performance gets killed by overheating and throttling.
And even with heavy throttling it stays at 103°C!! I just dont dare to do some heavy stuff on it because of that.
I feel like my previous laptop performed better (i7 3720qm).

Also my cooler starts kicking in verry late (at about 83°C) and doesnt seem to go max even when the CPU is running at 103°C...
Theres an included tool where i can set the fans to max manually but I feel thats kinda retarded and dont understand why the 'auto' mode never does that even when it reaches such high temps.

Temps are measured using Intel's extreme tuning tool, realtemp 3.7 and HW monitor... all showing the same result...

Also my battery already shows as 4% used (when its supposed to be just new) and my SSD's (850 pro) S.M.A.R.T. statistics show its already been used a bit, although i dont remember how much exactly.



Should i contact the sales person with a complaint or is this all perfectly normal behaviour and fine to let my laptop run at those temperatures?
I think something might've gone wrong with the coolingpaste application or something?

 

The CPU temperature seems a little bit higher than the One K73-5N review[1] (~100°C).
You need a proper application of a good quality TIM ASAP!
Considering the battery and SSDs issues it looks like you've got a lemon -- built to break. I would certainly demand a refund.
Where did you get it from?

[1] http://www.notebookcheck.net/One-K73-5N-Clevo-P771ZM-Notebook-Review.135088.0.html

 

umm, that definitely sounds like either ur heatsink is off of ur paste job is messed up. definitely repaste and check again! also, batteries are not always at 0% even when brandnew. u can check again though after properly calibrating it (discharge completely, then charge up to 100% without interruption). as for the SSD, of course it already has some write cycles on it, since your rig went through stress testing at the vendor

no reason to call it a "lemon" just yet, so chillax people

 

So im getting a nice price of a used 4670k for around 120€. Do you guys think it will run too hot for this machine?`

Cheers

 

The CPU temperature seems a little bit higher than the One K73-5N review[1] (~100°C).
You need a proper application of a good quality TIM ASAP!
Considering the battery and SSDs issues it looks like you've got a lemon -- built to break. I would certainly demand a refund.
Where did you get it from?

[1] http://www.notebookcheck.net/One-K73-5N-Clevo-P771ZM-Notebook-Review.135088.0.html

 

Yeah, they supposedly already put on some better TIM.
Normally they would've put on Arctic Silver 5, but we called them asking for something better because I wanted to be be sure it would be cooled as good as possible. Then they suggested Gelid GC2 and we got that (but appearently its not really better than AS5 if i google for tests?).

I'd prefer not to mess with it myself, its just new and i dont want to risk any trouble with the warranty...

Im not going to name where i got it from just yet, i want to be a bit more sure something is wrong before i do that

I dont wanna repaste because I think theres a good chance I loose the warranty?
Also if I repaste and it doesnt help, they could say its having heating troubles because I messed with it. Not taking any chances.

Yeah the SSD, gotta check that (i left it at work, because i was planning on giving it to my brother and putting my old HDD in) so i cant check it now)... I dont remember how many writes it had, but i remember thinking it was a surprising amount for just some testing. (they did have allot of testing software installed on the HDD though).

Gonna follow your advice asap concerning the battery.

Any suggestions about tests i could run and I'll post the results here so you guys can comment if its acceptable/normal or not?
because i dont have much experience concerning these things and I want to be absolutely sure before i start complaining...
What temperatures are you guys getting?

For now I disbled the turbo boost (via intel's extreme tuning tool), but its still idling at +-60°C and going to +95°C when doing a quick 3D render (with windows power saving mode on).

 

GC2 is not better than AS5!
It looks like they are really screwing you up!
I would choose a Coollaboratory Liquid Pro or Ultra[1].

[1] http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/thermal-compound-charts/-1-Thermal-Conductivity,3361.html