*** Official Clevo P770ZM / Sager NP9772 and P770ZM-G / Sager NP9773 Owner's Lounge ***

Meaker.... are you a P5/P7 owner...?

 

Could you clarify that you are a P5/P7 owner please...?

 

im an owner but even though meaker is not, hes more than knowledgeable enough to help you out even if he doesnt own the specific machine

 

Am not an owner of this specific machine but that does not usually stop me from being able to answer certain types of questions better than others who do own it.

If you post some questions about what you are after I will answer any I feel I can Others can chime in, and you can get the information you want. This forum is good for friendly people helping out.

 

This is why I miss the respect button/counter!!! I was inactive in this forum until the p770zm/p750zm (member since 2011 when I bought my p150hm). I used rep (not likes except message to like ratio) and message content to determine whether people could answer my questions and to figure what level to ask questions of other members.


That said, if Meaker offers advice/assistance, I'd recommend to take notice. He is very knowledgeable!!!


On another note, I wrote asetek asking about its water cooling laptop design. They said it is still a prototype and if we'd like to see it in future Clevo products, contact Clevo and request it. Considering Clevo is going to all desktop CPUs for their enthusiast designs, we should request they examine this as a future cooling solution! Considering it took an alienware M18x laptop with a 2920xm to 4.4, it could do quite a bit for us. Just a thought.

 

G'day jaybee83....

It's specifically an owner's perspective I'm after... no disrespect to Meaker's knowledge and I'm sure he can clarify stuff if needed.

Portability is number one on my list of requirements hence why I'm researching the best desktop-in-a-laptop power per dollar for a completely dedicated machine that will run nothing else but my NLE.

Firstly, are you running the 4790k/980M inside your chosen Eurocom P5/P7 model...?... I see you have them in your 'Dark Knight' machine on the P751ZM

In an ideal world you would also be a video editor using Sony Vegas 12/13 on this P5/P7 and could let me know how it well it manages heat dissipation in all aspects including 4k rendering.... though of course a xeon 6 core would probably be an upgrade I'd choose when 4k becomes standard use and hence why this P770ZM is a very attractive prospect with it's LGA1150 socket and primed for use with the new 5th gen processors.

Do we know if Wingnut is going to do one of his awesomely thorough reviews of the P5/P7 anytime soon...? or have I not searched correctly and it's done n dusted but I've somehow missed it...?

 

First, depending on how Sony Vegas works, it will utilize AVX and possibly AVX2 with the OpenCL work it is doing. This means it will run hotter than the average and any adjustments made to the voltages will have to be less than otherwise available, as well as having more heat because of that. It can go to the Xeon E3 v4 (broadwell, not skylake) processors. NONE OF THE XEONS FOR THIS SOCKET ARE 6 CORE!!! So let that dream go. If you want more cores, go to the P570WM laptop.

With that said, the current xeons have a lower heat, are immediately supported, and will run at the specified max without a problem. Xeons also have a different built in TDP for AVX2 instruction sets, so this may be the preferred method for your usage. If you want to try to maximize the possible multiplier used (and deal with the extra heat), then the 4790K is the way to go. Don't expect amazing temps with your stated purpose (without winning the Haswell chip lottery). With that said, no other laptop will be able to perform at this level for what you are planning on doing with the laptop, so jump in. Read this thread and the P750ZM thread (specifically the part about CPU selection). Contact BigSpin about his Xeon used in the P750ZM and see his posts on heat under load. That should get you where you need to be.

 

@Meaker... and @ajc9988 ... is it easy enough to control cooling when running a specific application (which in my case is Sony Vegas Pro 12) by using the intel xtu tool with the 4790k and tweaking to suit...?

 

It can be, depending on usage. Why I mentioned the Xeon is that the 4790K, even with XTU undervolting, will be in the 80s or 90s at 4.0GHz in Prime95 v. 28.5 small FFT set. If Sony Vegas Pro 12 or 13 utilizes the processor in the same way small FFT does in Prime95, you may have to go lower than 4.0GHz for comfortable temps under load conditions. If you have a better Haswell CPU, you may be able to squeeze an extra 100MHz out of it under small FFT, but not too much more if using auto-fans. Max fans can give almost 5-10 degrees more thermal headroom. This is why I said look into Xeon E3s that match the socket. BigSpin uses one of the fastest (if not the fastest) currently available Xeon for this socket (haven't looked it up to verify. Check out cpu-world.com for more info on cpu and socket). So this should give a basis. And visit the benchmark section on the P750ZM page. It is the 15 inch variant with about all else being equal.

 

Well, finally I got to order my P771ZM from the guys at Mountain.es. Hope to receive it in about 2 weeks (they're going to be soooo loooong ).

I'm going to check the 40+ pages of this thread to see what's happening with the 771

 

Awesome thought... Run Sony Vegas Pro 12 on a heavy use scenario for you on your current computer. Then run Prime95 small FFT. Let me know if the temps are about the same. This will give a better idea of load to expect in the laptop. This will only help answer the question if your current processor can use AVX2 (which is the hottest instruction set for Haswell).

 

Indeed an awesome thought... however... embarassingly this laptop is ancient in relative terms... it's a 4 year old samsung RV511 running only a dual core i3 380m @2.53GHz with 6gb of 1066mhz DDR3 and a dedicated Nvidia GeForce 315M (1GB)... Vegas works but lags and drops frames in timeline playback and so I'm out to make the ultimate power jump. If you think there's value in getting the data set for comparison on this rig I'll happily download Prime95 and run the small FFT....?

 

Yeah people who had the full rep bar can be ignored now in a lot of threads. It's a huge backwards step for this website, along with the loading issues and inability to multiquote, and that editing now takes you to a standalone page (making it harder to copy/paste).

 

It wouldn't help near as much because I couldn't tell whether AVX or AVX2 is being utilized by the program for processing (which would allow me to run a comparative stress test program and report my heat to you). If you are into modding, a delidded 4790K would be able to perform the instruction set above 4.2 most likely all the time with auto-fan (assumption based on other numbers provided by members that have delidded). Since this is more of a business/work laptop, I'd recommend less mod and more stable. This means possibly underclocked and definitely undervolted cpu in the laptop. If you want to throw a chip in it and have it work, the xeon is the way to go (over a 4690K, 4790, 4790S, etc.) just because of the stability and the separate TDP settings for AVX2 instruction set. Otherwise, get the 4790k and create a work profile that contains the heat of the CPU under your workloads and come up with other profiles for general use and gaming (if you are so inclined). Ultimately, this is up to you and what you foresee your needs to be. If the program works at less heat than prime95 small FFT, I'd recommend 4790K over the Xeon. Either way, it will kill over what your current laptop is capable of, it's more a question of what processor that is left.

 

I keep getting a netwbw02.sys BSOD. very frequent. I've updated all the drivers I found on the sager website, but it hasn't stopped this. Anyone else having this issue/know a fix? I've DRIVER_IRQLL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL(netwbw02.sys)searched google, and it seems like it's tied to either sleep mode or airplane mode, something to do with the WiFi switch, but I haven't enabled either mode, so I don't know why it would cause this error for me.

EDIT: Full error code is "DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL(netwbw02.sys)". I'm trying to do some homework for my comp sci class, and having this bsod every 3-5 minutes is getting very annoying, and making programming very near impossible.

EDIT 2: It doesn't seem to matter what applications I have open. Anything at all causes the bsod. The only thing that doesn't is the home screen. At this point, the rig is just a really expensive, very pretty paperweight.

 

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...wbw02sys/a5800cc8-de0a-4448-bd79-64aec3c5f250
The first answer is to uninstall the network adapter(s) altogether and reboot. Method 2 involves safe mode with networking or clean boot. It is a network adapter driver issue. Do an uninstall through device manager, reboot, and clean install the network driver(s). Do you have intel or killer? If intel, I'd get the driver direct from its website or from its program intel driver update utility. Otherwise, do a fresh download of the driver and verify the content is in-tact (SHA-1, etc.).

Edit: You could even verify the driver is gone by checking the registry after uninstalling to verify full removal before proceeding to reboot and re-install.

 

Thanks. I'll try this and let you know if it works.

 

I think the xeon is a good idea for the workload. With it being a business machine I would not want to operate the cpu out of voltage/frequency spec. However tdp adjustments if you monitor temperatures and a good paste job are good options.

 

I should point out that although I'm calling this a 'Portable Workstation' it's not intended to give the impression that this machine will be a 'Business' machine. My intention from the outset has been to find a computer system to run Sony Vegas 12 (+) and only the applications that I choose to be associated for use with this NLE such as Boris FX. No other program will be run on it so all the resources can be fine tuned and cooling system profile set up purely to run SVP.

I've got the impression from plenty of reading that the 4790k will give me the best processing performance from a 4th gen Quad.

What I need to discover if I'm going to put a Xeon in the mix is to work out which one of the E3's is best all round value in comparison to the 4790k

One thing that doesn't add up at Eurocom is the CAD$359 extra to have the E3 1271-v3 when I can buy one for CAD$150 more than a 4790k online at Amazon here in the UK.... unless they're just trying to make lots more money...

Edit: Of course as the price of processors drops with age the Eurocom difference could just be that someone has 'forgotten' to update the prices on the configuration menu...

 

I have often mentioned to Eurocom reps that some of their upgrade prices were out-of-whack, and that their USD/CAD FX rates were also weird.

 

Has anybody done some temperature tests after under-volting this machine? I know it might sound weird, given this machine is just begging to be over-clocked, but I like a cool/quiet machine. And temps in the 90C is just not something I'm overly fond of.

 

Profiting from things that are not what a business is actually about is common place, but I think a business 'shoots itself in the foot' by doing so.

A percentage of potential customers who don't bother cross referencing prices and FX rates offered will obviously give the business short term gains, but I think that gets cancelled out by a greater percentage who are instantly put off buying once the proverbial cat is out of the bag.

For me it becomes negotiating leverage...

 

True, but I would think a lot of people looking at a Eurocom product are probably somewhat knowledgeable about laptops (otherwise they'd be in Best Buy looking at HP "gaming" laptops). As such, I think they would know that paying $150 for an extra 8GB of RAM is just ludicrous, as is paying $600 for a Samsung Evo 850 Pro.

Though I could be wrong. But for me, those prices just mean I will buy my components afterwards and install them myself. I understand Eurocom needs to make a profit, and I would happily pay a reasonable markup over their costs to have them install and warranty the components. So from my perspective, they're losing out on sales (and profits) by charging far too much.

Their whacky USD FX rates also mean that US customers are put off. Which is sad, because if you price out a machine in CAD and then convert it yourself into USD, it is cheaper than if you set the default currency to USD and spec out the exact same machine. Yet again, Eurocom is losing out on sales, due to people being put off by (erroneously?) high prices.

 

So, check out reflexnotebook.ca and the American resellers. You may be able to find a better deal than Eurocom (reflexnotebook does NOT have Xeons as a standard option. Contact them and they may be able and willing to do a custom order for you). E3-1286 v3 and E3-1281 v3 may be the best Xeon choices (contact bigspin as I mentioned and review these two pages: http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Xeon/Intel-Xeon E3-1286 v3.html ; http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Xeon/Intel-Xeon E3-1281 v3.html ; plus google comparisons between these CPUs and the 4790K). This should get you where you need to be.

That is what a lot of this thread and the P750ZM thread have discussed. Read the threads closely and see if your question is answered (WHICH I KNOW IT HAS BEEN ANSWERED). Just saying don't be lazy because there are literally hundreds of pages between this thread and the other thread. BTW, undervolting happens until about the 4.5 and above according to posts on these threads, so temps often reflect undervolting done by way of Dynamic Mode Overclocking utilizing XTU Dynamic Voltage Offset (DVO) and Cache Voltage Offset in negative values by mV. Further, I have tried to get the people in these forums to post actual Vcore with the negative DVO to standardize and compare to other values obtained on desktops. It isn't a spot on comparison because we use Dynamic Mode Overclocking and desktops use Adaptive overclocking and static (or classical) overclocking. Please read first and then I'll answer whatever questions you still have or point you to someone that can.

 

I guess my question wasn't well-worded, my fault. I'm specifically interested in surface temps, not CPU temps. I know there's plenty of posts concerning CPU temps. Assuming I'm lazy and haven't read the threads is going a bit far there. And I'm more interested in 770ZM surface temps, as a larger chassis would likely result in some difference in surface temps.

Of course, it's entirely possible I actually missed the posts discussing surface temps after under-volting while reading through all those pages, in which case I just suck (still not the same thing as lazy).

 

Now that is a good question. The only surface temps I have seen is in a few reviews of the P750ZM. I haven't really seen people in the forums do much on surface temps. I can tell you I use my P770ZM on my lap sometimes and when I do I prefer the max fan on. I, personally, am having more issue with heat from my second harddrive I installed that runs hot in the specific Sata slot (the other harddrive runs the same higher temp in the specific Sata slot reaching high 50s to low 60s on temp). Max fans actually COOLS my legs instead of warming them.

I'd recommend Notebookcheck article for the main article about surface temps. ( http://www.notebookcheck.net/Eurocom-P5-Pro-Extreme-Clevo-P750ZM-Notebook-Review.136663.0.html) That should help. I think I've seen surface temps discussed elsewhere, but can't think of it off the top of my head...

 

I've seen some posts discussing surface temps, but none (that I've come across, anyway) discussing keyboard/chassis temps after under-volting. I'm mostly interested in keyboard surface temps, since I hardly ever use laptops on my lap.
That NBC review is what peaked my interest, given the relatively cool keyboard temps under load (they're about on par with my G751JY surface temps, even though I'm using a mobile CPU). I'm just wondering how much of a difference in surface temps an under-volted CPU will make. Though I fully appreciate not everybody owns an infrared thermometer.

 

Chassis temperature will swing by a smaller amount than a drop on the chip itself usually.

 

If you are based in the UK Eurcom's prices are horrible.. Their exchange rates are screwed up etc and they force you to pay 20% tax upfront etc.. I've found that a UK reseller like Schenker or even CEG Extreme (CEG are german based) is much cheaper and will prove to be better choices in the long term..

Also if you are going to get this laptop, remember, you will have to tweak everything to make it work well for you.. This means undervolting CPU, repasting CPU etc...

 

I got my P770zm (called Octane) from pcspecialist.co.uk Its the first time Ive purchased from them, and I have to say the service has been superb. You build your laptop up from the chassis, full options on cpu,gpu,memory, hdd, etc the whole lot! as well as uprated thermal paste. Although they build to order and you have to wait several days, you get updated on the process as it happens and also the names of the people that build your laptop, test it, and the person who passes quality control. Below is the order I made and received from them: ( I went for cheapest HDD option as I already had a pair of SSD's)

Chassis & Display Octane Series: 17.3" Matte Full HD LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
Processor (CPU) Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-4690K (3.5GHz) 6MB Cache
Memory (RAM) 8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X IMPACT 1600MHz SODIMM DDR3 (1 x 8GB)
Graphics Card NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 980M - 8.0GB DDR5 Video RAM - DirectX® 11
2nd Graphics Card NONE
Memory - Hard Disk 500GB SERIAL ATA II 2.5" HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (5,400rpm)
2nd Hard Disk NONE
mSATA/M.2 SSD Drive NONE
2nd mSATA/M.2 SSD Drive NONE
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive NONE
External DVD/BLU-RAY Drive 8x Samsung Slim USB 2.0 External DVD-RW
Memory Card Reader Integrated 6 in 1 Card Reader (SD /Mini SD/ SDHC / SDXC / MMC / RSMMC)
Thermal Paste ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Sound Card Intel 2 Channel High Definition Audio + MIC/Headphone Jack
Bluetooth & Wireless GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL® AC-7265 M.2 (867Mbps, 802.11AC) + BLUETOOTH
Wireless Router/HomePlugs NONE
USB Options 4 x USB 3.0 PORTS (1 x POWERED) + 1 e-SATA/USB 3.0 PORT COMBINED
Battery Octane Series 8 Cell Lithium Ion Battery (82WH)
Power Lead & Adaptor 1 x UK Power Lead & 230W AC Adaptor
Keyboard Language OCTANE SERIES BACKLIT UK KEYBOARD WITH NUMBER PAD
Operating System NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Windows 10 Upgrade FREE Upgrade to Windows 10 with all Windows 7 & Windows 8.1 Purchases
DVD Recovery Media NO DVD RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software NO OFFICE SOFTWARE
Anti-Virus NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser Microsoft® Internet Explorer
Carry Case NONE
Laptop Cooling Stands NONE
Stand-Alone Monitor NONE
Additional Keyboard NONE
Notebook Mouse INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE
Gaming Mouse Pad NONE
External Speakers NONE
Webcam INTEGRATED 2.0 MP FULL HD WEBCAM
Headsets NONE
Surge Protection NONE
Printer NONE
External Hard Drive NONE
Warranty 3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Change to: 3 Year Gold Warranty (2 Year Collect & Return, 2 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)

Home Installation NONE
Dead Pixel Guarantee 1 Year Dead Pixel Guarantee Inc. Labour & Carriage Costs
Insurance NONE
Delivery STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time Standard Build - Approximately 5 to 7 working days
Promotional Item FREE DYING LIGHT DIGITAL VOUCHER with GTX 965M / 970M / 980M GRAPHICS

Pricing Information

Production Dates


Processed Date 05-03-2015
Pre-Production Date 10-03-2015
Build Date 12-03-2015
Test Date 13-03-2015
QC Date 16-03-2015
Awaiting Dispatch Date 16-03-2015
Dispatch Date 16-03-2015
Who Worked on This Order?


Built By Jack Bedford
Tested By Jonathon Brown
QC'd By
Jonathon Brown

Packed By James Russell

Might be worth giving them a try if your from the UK.

Mick

 

funny how all their first names start with a J

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in fact, two J.B.s and a J.R.

 

Could be worse, at least no Mickey Mouses

 

brilliant...

ah... PG pilot I see... where do ya fly...?

I went to PC specialist first only to discover that I couldn't have the 4790k because in their opinion the P771ZM (euro edition of 770) with the 4790k runs to thermal cutout under their stress test conditions and as such they only offer up to the 4790s. That made me wonder exactly how much load they put the system thru in their stress testing procedure and I have an email waiting for them to open tomorrow morning asking if they can detail the testing procedure for me as obviously this Clevo is 'coping' with the 4790k by people who've already got the set-up.

I've also suggested to them that I'd like to go outside their box and be able to make my own choice on processor... and can I simply sign a waiver that allows me to have the 4790k.

There's also a company here called Nova-tech who are going to quote me.

However... I don't believe anyone in the UK or the EU will beat the price I can get the Eurocom P7 into my hands.... I have the co-ordinates of a time/space warp that means it'll pass 'Go' and I'll collect $200

 

now that's interesting, i guess i try the 3.11 again and i will see. Are there actually changelogs around of that Hotkey Programm? I'm curious which is changed etc.

 

not really....u might wanna ask @Prema about this, he usually has more of an insight when it comes to changelogs

 

just tried 4.4Ghz @ 1.15v, 81 °C max with Max Fans and propped up, got BSoD tho @ 4.5Ghz

Edit: i did it count me in the 10k 3Dmark Club. CPU @ 4.6Ghz 1.25v / GPU @ 1376/2907 +50mV (i really like my first 980m )

 

I've been flying around the Peak District for 12 years now, even had a nice boat around the sky on Sunday

Re: PCS, I did notice they initially offered the Octane with a i7-4790k, and someone in their forums did get one (and possibly others) but I was a bit saddened that they chose to drop the cpu due to heat issues. It would of been nice to get the unlocked chip. Thats why I went for the next best unlocked chip, the i5-4690k, as I don't do that much video editing, I shouldn't really miss the 8 threads of the i7.

It would be interesting to investigate how much of the heat issue has been attributed to the Hot Key program! I only say this because PCS offer all the relevant drivers in you own personal download section, once you have placed an order. And without hesitation I installed them. But what I did notice is that the HotKey program was not the latest version offered by Clevo. And it allowed my cpu to get up to 99C and gpu to 84C, this is all at stock clocks, which was a bit of a shocker!! I'm now running HotKey 3.11.24 and it does a much better job at managing the fans to keep both the cpu and gpu around the mid 60's even when stressed out. So much better. And I bet good enough to keep the heat of a 4790k in check. Lets face it, the cooling arrangement of this laptop is pretty amazing.

Mick

 

@jaybee83 ...

PC specialist here in the UK won't sell the 4790k inside their version of the Clevo P771ZM because they hit thermal cutout running the torture test.

I have no details of the testing parameters but wondered if anyone has managed to do likewise... ?

 

I'm not sure either but I do know out of the box settings will reach about 40% or more thermal throttle as well as power limit throttle using prime 95 as the testing platform. Undervolting however can take care of the temps as well as a high grade paste.

 

Quick update, removing the stock driver and installing the driver from the Intel website worked, although there was a bit of confusion on the website about which driver to download. The first one gave me back Bluetooth usability, but not WiFi. But I haven't gotten a bsod in about 24 hours now. Yay.

 

well its kind of true, since at stock clocks and voltages (plus the big blob paste jobs with low quality pastes most resellers/vendors ship their units with) the 4790k will overheat quite easily.
with some minor changes though its totally manageable up to 4.5 Ghz without any hardcore mods such as delidding or mobo reworks

- prop up the back of your machine for improved airflow
- repaste using gc extreme or ic diamond
- undervolt cpu core and cache
- use max fans (fn+1) whenever stressing ur cpu to the max (rendering, prime95, transcoding, etc.)

delidding and using clu will let you oc up to 4.8 ghz without throttling

so yeah, its definitely possible to tame this beast, just needs a bit of tinkering.

btw this data is based on my own experience and that of other batman owners, so basically first hand

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Yep. For these wifi/bluetooth adapters, you have two drivers. Then the wifi driver is further split into two downloads, the s and the Ds versions. Ds is just the drivers (if memory serves) while the s is the drivers and software. For bluetooth, you do not get the option of the driver without the software. Then you need to sort the search results by date instead of relevance. I'm just so used to finding EVERY Intel driver I need on their site that it is almost second nature. They also have the Intel Driver Update Utility 2.0 you can download and run. This mainly only finds three drivers (or at least that I've seen in use). Those are bluetooth, wifi, and chipset sometimes.

In any case, glad to hear it worked for you!!!

 

Batman just arrived!! Man, is it gorgeus...and lightning fast! I'm gonna pass some stress tests and see how temperatures develop.

BTW, if my Batman came from Mountain.es, is it a Wild Batman? (very bad joke, I know!)

 

Congrats! Consider updating your signature to include the model and specs.

 

brilliant.... the pieces of the puzzle are coming together and I can see how some resellers (like PC Specialist) choose to draw their line in the sand in very safe territory so as not to get into warranty claim issues if someone cooks their 4790k .

 

10141 points in firestrike gpu @ 1396/2900 +62.5 mV / cpu @ 4.6ghz can't get more out of it. Tried more but i feared the worst the power brick is at it's max, tried 4.7ghz but NB got black due to power issues, then i tried to give a bit more for the gpu instead ~1420/2900 +75mV but same, blackscreen when testing 3DMark. Looks like i have to invest in something it seems

edit: the spread spectrum crash striked me too, wanted to try copying some games for the LAN onto my ZM and the system freezed and shutdown. I'm pretty sure it's spread spectrum, cause i had my CPU @ 4x4.2ghz @ stock voltages and Ram was at stock too. Maybe setting the option to 0 instead of 50 isn't the same as on the Desktop Z97 variants were you can actually turn on or off cpu spread spectrum as an seperate option.

 

Seems to be the case, although my i5-4690k runs great while gaming and doing normal tasks (65C max) I tried prime 95 last night, and although it ran flawless with no errors or throttling, the temps did get upto 91C which was interesting to say the least. But even during maxed out gaming I can't get anywhere near that temp.

Looks like prime 95 really does put the cpu through it's paces, but under abnormal circumstances.

 

At this point, many people have had issues turning off the spread spectrum. I'd recommend leaving it where it is for the moment unless you want to test everything to find the conflict. Just give it some time. I know jaybee and I both have had crashes due to it.

 

Yeah i know but i thought i would be blessed by gaben