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I personally think PCS have made a bad financial decision to offer only the 4790s in this Clevo based on running the prime95 torture test. There would surely only be a very very small number of enthusiasts, if any at all, who would buy this set-up without taking an interest in understanding what it takes to fine tune the 4790k.... carefully. This is nicknamed the 'Devil's canyon' which appropriately conjures up 'tread carefully' signs and is unlocked especially for those who want to play with overclocking. I think they're looking at this from completely the wrong angle and in doing so they're throwing money away. Their loss.

 

I also was going to buy from PCSpecialist but they removed the 4790k. I also asked them if they were going to offer more panel options and if they were considering to have the 4790k again. None of the above is in their plans.. Their loss..
I'm in the UK and I wanted to buy here for warranty and custumer service reasons but now I think I´m goin to buy from CEG as they have good customization options and they're active here in the forum, so it shows they care about our opinion and they have been helpfull from whatt I've seen in the Batman forum thread.

PS- CEG offers the FHD non-glare panel, the FHD glare 90% gammut AUO and the IPS FHD. Wich one do you think it's the best? From what I've read here the LG IPS is not that good except for the better viewing angles. Any thoughts?

Cheers

 

I dont have anything bad to say about PCS, the shopping experience I have had from them in buying this laptop has been excellent, even though all I've done is place a standard order through their website. It is sad that they have decided not to offer the i7-4790k, but I went into it with my eyes open, and the great thing is (for me) the i5-4690k does a more than good enough job (life isnt all about benchies), and I always have the option later down the line of upgrading to the i7-4790k

Ive dug out the test results that PCS leave in a folder on the HDD. They use a program called BurnInTest V8.0 Pro 1019 (64-bit)
The test was ran over night for 10 hours by the looks of things, below is a cut and paste of the results:

PassMark BurnInTest Log file - http://www.passmark.com
========================================================

Date: 03/13/15 15:33:49

BurnInTest V8.0 Pro 1019 (64-bit)

System summary:
Windows 8.1 build 9600 (64-bit),
1 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4690K CPU @ 3.50GHz,
8.0GB RAM,
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M,
466GB HDD,


General:
System Name: WIN-STPGD8T0A44
Motherboard Manufacturer: Clevo
Motherboard Name: P770ZM
Motherboard Version: Not Applicable
Motherboard Serial Number: Not Applicable
BIOS Manufacturer: American Megatrends Inc.
BIOS Version: 1.03.09
BIOS Release Date: 01/29/2015

CPU:
CPU manufacturer: GenuineIntel
CPU Type: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4690K CPU @ 3.50GHz
Codename: Haswell
CPUID: Family 6, Model 3C, Stepping 3
Socket: LGA1150
Lithography: 22nm
Physical CPU's: 1
Cores per CPU: 4
Hyperthreading: Disabled
CPU features: MMX SSE SSE2 SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 DEP PAE Intel64 VMX Turbo AES AVX AVX2 XOP FMA3
Clock frequencies:
- Measured CPU speed: 3492.6 MHz [Turbo: 3891.8MHz]
- Multiplier: x35.0 [Turbo: x39.0]
- Base Clock: 100.0 MHz
- Multiplier range: Min: x8, Max non turbo: x35 [Ratio: 4C: x37, 3C: x38, 2C: x39, 1C: x39]
Cache per CPU package:
- L1 Instruction Cache: 4 x 32 KB
- L1 data cache: 4 x 32 KB
- L2 cache: 4 x 256 KB
- L3 cache: 6 MB

Memory
Total Physical Memory: 8149MB
Available Physical Memory: 7052MB
Memory devices:
Slot 1:
- 8GB DDR3 SDRAM PC3-12800
- Kingston KHX1600C9S3L/8G, serial#: 1628616979, wk/yr: 2/2015
- 1.5V, 1.35V , Clk: 800.0MHz, Timings 9-9-9-27 (@ Max. freq.)
Slot 2:
- Not populated
Slot 3:
- Not populated
Slot 4:
- Not populated
Virtual memory: C:\pagefile.sys (allocated base size 1920MB)

Memory SPD:
DIMM#0
Memory type: DDR3 SDRAM
SPD revision: 1.0
Manufacturer: Kingston
Manufacturing date: Year: 2015, Week: 2
Serial number: 6112B913
Part number: KHX1600C9S3L/8G
Clock speed: 800.0 MHz
Memory size: 8192 MB
Number of banks: 8
Row address bits: 16
Column address bits: 10
Bus width: 64 bits
Device width: 8 bits
Number of ranks: 2
ECC: No
Module voltage: 1.5V, 1.35V
Minimum clock cycle time (tCK): 1.250 ns
Supported CAS latencies: 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
Minimum CAS latency time (tAA): 11.250 ns
Minimum RAS to CAS delay time (tRCD): 11.250 ns
Minimum row precharge time (tRP): 11.250 ns
Minimum active to precharge time (tRAS): 33.750 ns
Supported timing at highest clock speed: 9-9-9-27
Minimum Row Active to Row Active Delay (tRRD): 6.000 ns
Minimum Active to Auto-Refresh Delay (tRC): 48.125 ns
Minimum Recovery Delay (tRFC): 260.000 ns
Minimum Write Recovery time (tWR): 15.000 ns
Minimum Write to Read CMD Delay (tWTR): 7.500 ns
Minimum Read to Pre-charge CMD Delay (tRTP): 7.500 ns
Minimum Four Activate Window Delay (tFAW): 30.000 ns
Operating temperature range: 0-95C
Supports Auto Self-Refresh: No
Supports Partial Array Self-Refresh: Yes
Thermal Sensor present: No
Supports On-Die Thermal Sensor readout: No
Non-standard SDRAM type: Standard Monolithic
Module type: SO-DIMM
Module Height: 29 - 30 mm
Module Thickness: Front: 1 - 2 mm, Back: 1 - 2 mm
Module Width: 67.6 mm
Reference raw card used: Raw Card F Rev. 3


Graphics
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M
Chip Type: GeForce GTX 980M
DAC Type: Integrated RAMDAC
Memory: 4095MB
BIOS: Version 84.4.3e.0.1
Driver provider: NVIDIA
Driver version: 9.18.13.4752
Driver date: 2-5-2015
Monitor 1: 1920x1080x32 60Hz (Primary monitor)

Disk volumes
C: Local Drive, \\?\Volume{9a4378c7-db70-4835-bfa0-f6f2909e0401}\, Windows, NTFS, (458.74GB total, 432.32GB free)
X: Networked
Y: Networked

Disk drives
Disk drive: Model: HGST HTS545050A7E680 Serial: RB250AM5GGLLMP (Disk: 0, Size: 465.76GB, Volumes: C)

Optical drives

Network
Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller
Intel(R) Dual Band Wireless-AC 7265
Bluetooth Device (Personal Area Network)

Ports
Mouse Port: PS/2 connector
Keyboard Port: PS/2 connector

USB
USB xHCI Compliant Host Controller
- Generic Bluetooth Adapter
Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller


**************
RESULT SUMMARY
**************
Test Start time: Fri Mar 13 15:33:49 2015
Test Stop time: Sat Mar 14 01:33:56 2015
Test Duration: 010h 00m 07s
Temperature CPU 0 average (Min/Current/Max): 58.5C / 65.8C / 71.8C
Temperature CPU 0 core 0 (Min/Current/Max): 58.0C / 67.0C / 72.0C
Temperature CPU 0 core 1 (Min/Current/Max): 57.0C / 64.0C / 70.0C
Temperature CPU 0 core 2 (Min/Current/Max): 60.0C / 67.0C / 73.0C
Temperature CPU 0 core 3 (Min/Current/Max): 59.0C / 65.0C / 72.0C
Temperature HDD 0 (HGST HTS545050A7E680) (Min/Current/Max): 32.0C / 33.0C / 41.0C
Temperature GPU 0 (nVIDIA) (Min/Current/Max): 46.0C / 56.0C / 58.0C

Test Name Cycles Operations Result Errors Last Error
CPU 1703 81.828 Trillion PASS 0 No errors
GPGPU 1199 782 Trillion PASS 0 No errors
Memory (RAM) 1629 13.915 Trillion PASS 0 No errors
2D Graphics 1148 139 Million PASS 0 No errors
3D Graphics 55 1.670 Million PASS 0 No errors
Temperature - - PASS 0 No errors
Video Playback 2104 26929 PASS 0 No errors
Disk (C 1 12.553 Billion PASS 0 No errors
TEST RUN PASSED

*******************************************
SERIOUS ERROR SUMMARY FOR THE LAST TEST RUN
*******************************************

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Sorry for the long post, just thought you might find it interesting

Mick

 

I want to buy this great laptop too. Has anyone experiences with ceg-hardcorecustom?

 

Interesting your benchmark also states that you only have 4GB of VRAM... And on Topic i couldn't get it to show the full 8GB. I think its really only 4gb because Dying Light is often crashing because of insufficent ram... No wonder if by 8GB is meant 4 VRAM and the other 4 is from actual RAM (shared). Does someone know what TOLUD means in BIOS and what is the best value for it? Maybe someone could post all his BIOS-settings if his GTX shows the full range of 8GB, THX.

 

It depends on the software. I have noticed this also. Some will show it as 4GB and others will show it as a full 8GB. My current thinking is that the software is at fault and is not recognizing the VRAM properly but who knows.

 

I think it's more to do with the test program than anything else. Gpu-z, Nv-inspector etc recognise the card as having 8Gb on board, as does 3D-Mark.

For me Dying Light runs faultless so far. The only game crashes I've had has been Evil Within, but from what I gather I'm not the only one, and general consensus is it's a badly coded game. Either way it's only happened a handful of times, and 99% I can have a crash free gaming session.
Btw, nothing is overclocked or undervolted, I'm running all at stock. And really loving this laptop

 

It's 100% the detection program. If your mxm card was 4GB that means half your ram has failed too and it should read as 128bit.

 

How are your experiences with undervolting? What is possible with the 4790k?

 

Here are my temps after modification and undervolts. Modifications include delidding, applying fujipoly pads to the GPU, and high end paste.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/index.php?posts/9965996/

I can also easily run at 4.8 ghz without thermal throttle but I only did that to see if it was possible. My everyday OC is multipliers of 44,44,44,44.

 

Nice! Thank you! 4.4GHz would be great if it runs stable and cool enough. Did you tested the temps with prime95 too?

 

I tested all but the 4.8Ghz for prime stability but you will hit thermal throttle with anything above 4.4 so to prolong the life of my chip I just used XTU stress test

 

one could always test intermediate SSC values, maybe in 0.05% steps? could maybe tighten it up a little without losing system stability

fun fact: Schenker/mySN also initially decided not to offer the 4790K with this machine, but then switched to the 4790K being available for customers specifically asking for it (not shown in the configurator though), so thats a good compromise in my opinion

 

So the wait is over, Broadwell is not worth it!!! Get out that blade and start delidding!!!

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i7/Intel-Core i7-5775C.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/210997/intel-to-launch-just-two-lga1150-broadwell-parts.html

http://www.vrworld.com/2015/03/25/i...cpus-for-desktop-skylake-debuting-in-october/

EDIT - This comment was meant for the 4790K users out there or those considering the 4790K b/c it is the most powerful chip for this socket (and also the hottest). This CPU is actually a decent option potentially for those considering the 4790S, the 4690K, the Xeon series, etc. I don't like the L3 cache was reduced to 6MB, compared to 8MB on most current Haswell series, but that does not mean it will not have power or be an option. If you are considering these other chips, keep an eye out for future benchmarks and temp tests for comparison. It should be out between now and July (probably by June for Computex).

Also, the main improvement the chip touts is the iGPU, which is a feature that does not apply to us (Z97 chipset). It is clocked at 3.3GHz with a turbo of 3.7GHz. This places the max turbo stock at 200MHz lower than the 4770K, but is in-line with many other 4700 series offerings. For example, the 4790S is a 65W chip, locked multiplier, 3.2 stock with turbo to 4.0GHz. This new chip would have the same TDP, could potentially OC to the 4.0 without an issue, but be handicapped with 2MB less L3 cache (0.5MB less cache per core). Both enjoy HT. It may also OC as well as the 4770K did (but also have heat issues doing so). That then returns to why bother with Broadwell when the 4790K could possibly do it better. Dealer's choice...

 

thx for the headsup! although i wouldnt be too quick to judge, gotta wait for hard data first. although disappointing that they reduced the cache from 8 to 6 MB... the lower clocks were expected, since it was known that the unlocked broadwells would have a 65W TDP if theyre able to clock higher than the 4790K at identical temps it could be advantageous!

 

I hear you, but after reports of heat issues on the chip, the main improvement being iGPU (useless), I'm expecting a chip capable of 4770K OC. At that point, the 4790K would have a 200MHz advantage over broadwell. And that is assuming it can reach that from being 200MHz LOWER than the 4770K.

As to the clocks, you have that but the lower cache, I'd bet 10 to 1 that the 4790K wins due to cache at same clocks. Also, we don't see it cross the 65W pull on our chips until 4.5+. I think they put their chips on wanting people to go Skylake this fall and wanted to put something out that gives equivalent or less performance to get enthusiasts to get on board.

EDIT: There is a reason the E5 Xeons have 2.5MB/core instead of 2 or 1.5MB/core... Heat will be the final decider though....

 

word, agree on all points. just saying, havent lost hope completely just yet for broadwell

especially if u consider that they most likely tested the cpus with the iGPU switched on. now, on our machines, the beefier iGPU (compared to haswell) would be deactivated and thus theoretically make for an overall cooler chip, also due to the die shrink. but yeah, lets wait and see...

 

Even if you switch off the iGPU and increase the clock to match the 4790K I don't see how it wouldn't put off more heat since most CpU testing uses very little iGPU anyways. Correct me if I'm seeing this wrong but I don't see turning it off as a substantial temperature drop.

Edit I'm also confused on why skylake is even relevant for us. I've read it takes LGA1151 and will not be compatible at all. So unless we sell the batman skylake it beyond our reach.

 

We turn ours off on this CPU. If we turn off the one on that CPU, I don't think any thermal savings will be garnered. Intel has not seen a linear heat reduction at their die shrinks as some other ARM manufacturers have seen. TSMC and GloFo actually have better temp reduction than Intel (plus Intel's 14nm actually has the same surface area as a 22nm planer transistor setup). Because of this and Intel not developing any architectures before doing a die shrink (and other companies developing architectures before developing the techs to do die shrinks), Intel is not getting the full advantage of their shrinking the die node. This inefficiency suggests that the heat reduction will be only about 10% - 15% while packing maybe 15% more transistors into the area, which they used to add a larger iGPU to compete with certain offerings of AMD in a specific segment (trying to force a death rattle which, in my opinion, won't happen). Anyways, this means it may OC to current 4770K or 4790K levels, but that is where the reduced L3 cache will kick in to knee-cap it...

Skylake isn't relevant for us except that Intel doesn't want to waste money on Broadwell (a failed die shrink that took 3-4Q to get to market from the original timeline). B/c of this, they give paltry offerings for the Z97 chipset so as not to fully upset those that bought these boards in hope of a FULL Broadwell release. They had to give something. But I think this will be remembered on release of Cannonlake and the competing Zen/K12 release. This will have a GloFo more efficient die shrink to 14nm fighting against an Intel 10nm die shrink. But Zen/K12 will incorporate all architecture advancements and have a switch to Hyperthreading, non-shared L2/L3 cache, and be designed by the architect of the Athlon series (which were strong competitors). This suggests a chip that may actually make a difference rather than the previous AMD offerings since, I don't know, maybe 2008 time frame (or earlier).

Anyways, I digress. We don't have good Broadwell options b/c Intel screwed up on the die shrink and there is no competition, so Intel just turned to saying buy our next chipset and processor.

 

my thinking was the following: broadwell igpu is beefier than the one in haswell, thus takes up more percentage of the die area than the haswell igpu. on the ZM series, these areas are deactivated, thus do not generate any heat or consume any power. since broadwell would sport a larger die area thats deactivated, it would then stand to reason that is runs cooler in batman, since u basically use the same thermal transfer capacity to cool less active die area question remains, of course, if the cooler running chip would then make up for the reduced cache size. it will depend on the type of application i guess...
i know its just speculation at this point, its just fun to do so

btw, no one said that skylake is relevant for us...

also agree on ajc's stand on the future AMD chips, lets really hope they bring smth competitive to the table this time around.

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So it seems like, that the 4790k ist the best option at the moment and in near future. Good to know. Thank you.

 

yes, even if the broadwell chips show great oc ability, i dont think that they will surpass the 4790K by much, if at all. so either way, ure definitely safe and future-proof with the 4790K

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You may see a little throttling in Prime95 but only down to a minimum of to 3.8GHz (maybe 3.6GHz if you have a bad paste job or hotter than average CPU), no lower at stock voltages with 4790k. Definitely shouldn't hit thermal cut out though under any default setting circumstances.

 

So, I finally finished installing my every day stuff and tried some of the usual apps. A bit surprised to see that with "old" games such as Skyrim and Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 max CPU temperatures rose to 99ºC, with short gaming stints (half an hour each). Fortunately, Falcon BMS (which is the one I plan to use most) sat confortably at 80ºC. I think I should try that cooling base I received specially when I try more CPU-demanding games such as FSX or Command.

BTW, I installed Hotkeys 3.11 but max fans is still capped at 80% rpm, is that correct?

PS: updating from a 15" ASUS N55 (1366x768 and stuff), the 17" FHD screen looks absolutely gorgeus. And you say that IPS is still better? That blows my mind

 

Your WHAT DOES WHAT. I could run Skyrim with unlocked FPS and auto fans without undervolting my CPU and if I hit 60 degrees it's "hot". Your CPU is WAY too hot. Get it checked now. Get it checked two hours ago before you thought of writing this post I'm replying to, in fact. WAY too hot.

Your maximum "auto" fans are 80%. Fn + 1 = 100% speed.

FHD and IPS would have colour contrast differences as all screens do, but if the NTSC gamut is the same (72% and 72% for example) the only differences would be better viewing angles and slow response times on the IPS. My FHD screen is pretty brilliant. I'd need a LOT of convincing to see someone with an IPS 17" panel that is better (which it'll never be, because mine is 120Hz. That automatically wins hehe)

 

Wow. I found my temps on the high side but this difference is too huge. What tests should I run or which proves/fact should I collect before speaking to the reseller?

 

Run a stress test in XTU first. I say this bc it generates less heat than prime 95. Post your temps after running for 10 minutes and I should be able to tell you if you have any issues or not. Do you mind elaborating or repeating if you already a stated the paste job. Was it stock or upgraded?

Edit: previously you guys were talking about disabling the iGPU for the 4790K how on earth did you fully disable it? I know when I benched using fire strike. Run 3 uses heavy CPU I'm guessing for physics. Did the GPU handle the added load I would think it would cause it to crash with lower OC. Is this correct?

 

um....the igpu is completely disabled at stock in the ZM machines..... no active disabling involved there, its just what it is

 

Haha welp I guess that answers that then. Thanks for the clarification. So what exactly is being taxed so hard on the CPU for the 3rd test in fire strike? I figured it had to be something involving the physics but obviously not if its disabled...I guess it is just a cpu intensive rendering or what not.

 

It is a CPU physics render. The iGPU will be useless until the new Vulkan standard comes on-line (what mantle is becoming, the new open-GL standard)! And even then, we won't be able to use the iGPU benefits with Vulkan or DirectX12...
http://www.pcgamer.com/could-directx-12-or-vulkan-apis-make-slicrossfire-obsolete/
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...able-amd-and-nvidia-gpus-to-work-side-by-side

Sorry about the sources, I just tried to find the first ones to stand for the proposition. If true, the iGPU of the 4790K could've been useful, but for the chipset preventing it's use...

 

its just physics crunched on the cpu, basically prime95 with different numbers

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This is my 10 minutes XTU stress test:



Auto fans, back of the laptop proped up. The reseller told me that they put Arctic Cooling paste, but wasn't given any other option.

PS: now is idling at abt 54ºC, which I find quite high for default options (i.e., no OC).

 

Use gelid extreme. And put thermal throttling plotting on your graph.

 

For the 17.3" model, It would depend.. The 90% AUO pannel is only useful if you are going to be doing video editing.. I've seen the LG IPS FHD pannel in the Acer V Nitro 17.3" and it's a beautiful screen.. Viewing angles are absurdly good and no complains here.. I would personally go for the IPS FHD as there is a lid revision specifically for it and you'll be able to upgrade to more newer pannels more easily with this model compared to the TN screen one..

Mick, get another stick of RAM ASAP.. You will be bottlenecked by the single stick and 8GB RAM isn't enough...

Repaste yourself with Gelid GC Extreme... AC paste is junk!

 

Any kind of stress test. AIDA64, XTU stress, etc. And check your paste job. That's ridiculous temps.

 

TomJGX
At first I thought I was running with too little RAM, but even with 8Gb, I've not had an instance where I've needed any more.
Monitoring my ram usage with Afterburner OSD, and I dont use much over 50% of what I have.
Evil Within uses about 3300Mb system ram, and I've just played Dying Light, and that uses just over 4500Mb. And both games have all the bells and whistles turned on, Dying Light is even set to max view distance!



Mick

 

54 is not terrible depending on your ambient temp and the fact you just ran a stress test. I can't tell anything from the graph though. You need to tell us the max temps you hit the graph doesn't tell us anything. You also need to add thermal throttle to the graph. Use something like real temp to get a max temp per core.

 

Long time lurker... first time poster. I decided to finally create an account and post here since this thread helped me to decide on my NP9772 purchase a couple of days ago. The [impatient] waiting begins.

 

Don't forget to check out the p750zm thread!

 

Anybody used a Logitech g13? I bought one and like it except for the fact my m570 buttons don't work. Frustrating enough to send it back. Anything I'm missing here?

And not my left and right buttons. My click wheel and auxiliary buttons.

 

is the GPU amd RAM upgraedable for the NP9772-S?
can it be ram upgraded to ddr4 later-on

thanks

 

Anyone else having issues with the subwoofer? I have tried installing the audio drivers at Clevo and the drivers at Sager Notebooks. However, when using the Realtek Sound Manager, I set up the 5.1 speaker configuration and tested the subwoofer - not a peep. I then installed the latest Realtek drivers but was met with the same silence.

Anyone experiencing this issue or have a solution?

 

DDR4 is:
1 - A waste
2 - Not using the same slot
3 - Not using the same voltage
4 - Possibly not using the same size sticks even

So no.

Everything is upgrade-able in that machine. It's what you can upgrade it to that's the real problem.

 

I ONLY plan to upgrade the RAM and GPU later-on.

Somebody said:

The 4790K is the last processor for the LGA1150 socket. After that, it'll be Skylake.

I dont have any problem with the cpu as the reviews for it are very good, also from experience, the last architecture usually will have few or no problems anymore = (4790k - LGA1150) ???

I usually buy the best laptop and just upgrade it and keep it for a long time.

It's what you can upgrade it to that's the real problem. ------- WHAT CAN YOU ONLY UPGRADE IN THIS LAPTOP? S li? ram?

Do you have any suggestions?

Thanks for the reply.

 

How do you quote me and STILL misread? "Is is what you can upgrade it *TO*" aka "It is what is available as upgrade parts" aka "I can upgrade a 980M but if there is no stronger card than a 980M then what do I upgrade to?"

Come on people. I'm being very clear here. *EVERYTHING* (CPU, GPU, RAM, Wifi card, keyboard, HDD, SSD, screen) is replace-able in the machine. Whether or not there is a better part to put into the spot in the future is the issue. There is likely never going to be DDR3 2400MHz 10/10/10/31 at 1.35v. There is likely never going to be a 5790K. There ARE likely going to be newer M.2 SSDs. There is going to be new SATA III SSDs. There is likely not going to be much better screens. There is likely going to be better GPUs.

 

I call bs on the GPUs. Lol.

 

should i or not .......wait..... dilema.....dilema.....dilema .....Skylake

 

Let's be honest. 980Ms aren't the limit. Especially with cut-down TDP machines, clevo-type 230W or 240W PSUs would easily let something stronger be made/used. 330W bricks with these P7xxZM machines would also let the power fly. The REAL problem is the SLI machines... 330W is barely enough to stress them with an overclock of any kind with 780Ms and a decent CPU, and it still holds true now.

But believe me... 980Ms are nowhere near the limit of what's available for mobile. Not even close.

 

Dude. Twas a joke. Lmao.

 

my only worry with those ultima predictions is the availability of mxm gpus. although lunas info regarding upcoming clevo machines with desktop cpus soothed that worry a little

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