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I got my NP9772-S this morning, so far just doing all of the initial setup.

I think the palm rest below the keyboard is too shiny for the mouse properly work, has anyone else run into that?

 

The palm rest is awesome. Not the sandpaper of old. Touchpad is freaking awesome too.

 

Anyone with the 970m stock vbios willing to dump and send it to me?

 

Finally got mine. Doing 3rd install of windows 8.1 pro. Don't ask. Lol. So far love it. My only gripe is I got a chi mei innolux screen. It's not bad, but far from great. So used to calibrated panels or close to accurate displays it looks like a TV in dynamic mode at the store. Brightness is pretty good though. And the matte is just right. Was worried about that. Anyways, I'll be back. Windows 8.1 is a cluster****. Anybody need to know how to install ram under keyboard, hit me up in pm. Took me half an hour to figure out. Googling and searching this forum didn't help.

 

Aren't there screws in the underpart to release, or some such thing? I saw how on one of the forums while considering buying (or shortly after I bought it).

 

One screw just right of the ram labeled K/B. Unscrew then use a plastic spudger to release hard to see tabs on left and right and top of keyboard. Then slide up. Be careful. Two ribbons cables. The smaller one is dainty and mine came unplugged. Not hard to plug back in but make sure to fold it properly before you seat your ribbon connection and then keyboard. My keyboard and 32gb of ram are working great.

 

Is there a means to search an individual thread? If so I couldn't find it and apologize for what is probably old news.

Does this model have Optimus or not. If not, it should be able to drive a 120Hz panel or at a minimum be able to drive one through the external ports, yes?

 

No optimus. Don't know answers to your questions.

 

Been figuring out all the little nuances and getting software to guage temps and other oddities.

Started out -100. Ran xtu stress test but won't reboot proper. Then 80, fine xtu but no proper reboot. Did 60 all the way and so far seems good. Reboots fine. That's just ge5ig my toes wet but seems lime where I'll be approxi.lately. need to put the heavier duty stress tests on it though. Temps were peaking at spikes of 92ish. Now seems to be holding 80ish with spikes in mid 80's. What's weird though is default memory already overclocks to 1867 on my 1600 memory. Tried custom stuff and won't hold. Weird. Haven't s3n my GPU hit 70 yet.

 

yupyup, batman does that to memory mine bootet directly with 2133 mhz without any input ocing memory is quite fiddly, best to relax timings first (by like 2 or more), and only then try to overclock to next frequency. once u get that, tighten up timings again, step by step.

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Things like the rRFC tend to be set WAY too loose at stock so that can usually be tightened up quite a bit.

 

Man, batman is awesome. Let boinc run all night. I only allow it 50-60% processing and full use of GPU. Didn't go over 75* and 63*.

Got some nice undervolts on CPU. Basically -75mv on everyrhing but cache -100. Thing doesn't even want to get close to 80* unless I torture it with prime95. With turbo on, it will spike/peak (peek at, lol) at 82*. Ran unigine heaven and GPU peaked at 69* but mostly stayed around 65*.

BTW, this is stock paste, whatever it is, propped up an inch in the back, no cooler and ambient temp of ~23* off 330w PSU.

For now I'm gonna leave those undervolt. Seem very stable ATM. May tweak more this weekend if no reboots but I would guess I'm pretty close to threshold already.

But yeah this thing is beastly across the board. 32gb of ram and I don't think I've gone over 10gb yet. Ate wprime for lunch and super pi was dessert. Haven't seen GPU hit over 70* yet. And I basically got to force it to get to 90*+. Everything auto fans even.

 

only thing u left out was the cpu clocks u were using im guessing stock?

 

Just to bring these instructions over here... It's unfair the people who want 17" screens can't play here! All the fun is in the bat cave!

OK, here is what I recommend:

1) Set general windows power setting to performance from balanced (make sure advanced settings put the CPU at 100% on and off the battery)
The rest are from default XTU settings
2)Disable turboboost short power max
3) Disable the integrated VR efficiency mode
4) Set all multipliers to 40
5) Reduce Cache voltage by itself until unstable. Go by -25mV at a time on voltage offset until instability, then work within the 25mV to narrow down where is stable for the Cache voltage. Leave somewhere between 3 to 5mV (maybe 10mV at higher clocks) above instability.
6) Now undervolt the Core voltage until instability. Move up by 5mV until stable using your favorite software for stability testing
7) save the stable settings as a profile for 4 ghz
8) Repeat step (4), (6), and (7) for 4.1 and above. Skip step 5 as you will not change this from the core 4.0 ghz ratio.
9) enjoy the endless hours of testing!!!

Edit:

And for those that do extraordinary CPU crunching, etc. Consider using the App-profile pairing in XTU. This allows a profile to be used when you execute an app on battery or AC power. Just a thought.

Corrected errors pointed out to me by metacarpus. Once again, thank you!

P.S. If you do a lot of browser surfing, it can pass Prime95 large FFT and still crash from Firefox. Test using more ram. This should help!

 

Stock clocks. Probably won't dig that deep. Remember p170sm-a was my first choice until I saw how compelling this laptop would be for long term. Maybe one day when I get bored I will dig deeper.

To point out how much of difference there is, I've been currently running seti@home on boinc. My np 5160 would finish 4-8 modules a day, about 8h of running. Last night, with my modest -50mv undervolt with turbo boost on, in 6h I know it finished at least 12 modules. And CPU ran almost 10* cooler than CPU in my sig nature and GPU didn't even break a sweat. Ran ~15* cooler than 540m. 6h and I know for sure it finished double to triple what my old laptop does. I don't how many modules it uploaded reported, but there were 8 waiting to be uploaded. Feel like I'm playing with Nintendo power.

Oh and I'm fairly certain from xtu stress tests that I'm probably maintaining 4.2ghz. Xtu bounced from 4.0-4.2 on stress testing. With my more aggressive undervolt it held 4.2 a looooot more. So I'm sure boinc is holding up well since most peaks are high 70's with the occassional spike into low 80's for a split second, but temps are bouncing around everywhere in the 60's constantly.

 

BTW, what program are you guys using for playing with the ram timings?

 

I think xtu can do it. But I don't have experience with it and not sure I want to research unless there are some very interesting, easy to understand and not too long guide on it.

 

It does. And on my old computer it worked just fine. Must just be the cheap value ram that is in it. Oh well, it's on the list of summer purchases already anyways!

 

intel xtu for ram tweaking rough guide is to loosen up the timings first (for example, if u have 11-11-11-31 go for 13-13-13-40), then try to reach the next frequency step (say, 1866 to 2133 mhz). once u got that, tighten up the timings one by one, step by step and check with memtest86/intel xtu ram stress test/prime95 with lots of ram for stability

of course, with a wonderful k-model cpu under the hood u might try and up the imc voltage for more stability

theres gonna be one more possibility for ram tweaking soon, but still NDA...

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The cheapo stock 1600 Kingston Value Ram doesn't show any tweaking inside XTU! It is locked down... Wondering if that is why it's been so picky about certain things (like not allowing me to add .2mhz to my bclk). As I said I will fix it this summer when I have an extra $300 to spend... get me up to snuff with that and a proper ssd (like the upcoming samsungs).

 

My g. Skill I bought @ $265 with a coupon is $250 currently. I think the 1866 is $270. Don't rmemeber if there was 2133. Wasn't willing to risk it.

 

I am paying for bar exam and a couple other expenses. Going to a wedding next month in Texas, then a wedding in April in Kansas. So I won't be in the market for more computer parts until May earliest. But doesn't mean I won't be enjoying the best damn laptop on the market!!!

 

risk what? 2133 corsair vengeance running without a hitch here. gonna oc these puppies to 2400 if at all possible

 

You guys are absolutely killing me. Very jealous you have the batman already. Still no shipping update for me I have ordered my 32GB of Gskill ripjaws 2133 ram and 512 GB 850 pro SSD now just need the release of the new M.2 drives and I'll be set for a few years

 

Nobody could confirm if 1600+ worked. I was willing to get 1866 but I don't really need the fastest. My main workhorse is boinc. I play a game occasionally nally but really never find time to finish. Was more concerned about cooling and getting the most horsepower for the buck. Very pleased with batman so far. With my undervolt I may leave turbo on. I have a 3 day weekend so I may push the limits on my undervolt and see where that goes but very happy where I'm at now. Just need a proper m.2 pcie ssd and a cheap 128gb m.2 SATA ssd.

 

From my understanding of you use the new Samsung pcie SSD you end up using up all 4 lanes. If this is the case can you even as an m.2 sata is there another slot for it? If so one could basically have one pcie SSD one m.2 sata SSD and 2 either SSD or HDD sata III for a total of 4 ?

 

I mean correct me if I'm wrong here but the 941 will take up all m.2 slots so I would assume the 951 will do the same. Leaving you wil the option of 1 pcie SSD and two Sata III drives

 

did you extend the TDP allowance for the CPU? (Don't know if that's possible for the ZM) TDP constraints can cause the slight throttling, even though the temps are fine...

 

I didn't but I didn't for a reason. Even at 4.5, I never went above 76W TDP. You can't throttle if you aren't hitting the limits. It is default 88W. So until delidded, I have no need to raise it.

 

maybe the speedstep controller doesn't know? Since u were nowhere near the temp limit, the CPU should stay at rock solid 4.2 (unless it thinks it is pulling more than the TDP allowance)

Edit: sorry it wasn't really directed at u ajc, but pukemon

 

Watts = Volts x amps

So theoretically that could have been an issue. I'd need more data before I could say.

 

I don't exactly know how speedstep determines if the TDP is overbudget. It might not be as simple as it measuring P. But a test would certainly be nice, like giving it a 100W TDP limit and see how the turbo behaves under different workloads...

 

i just dont take any risks and max out all sliders for wattage / amperage only two things holding me back: temperature and stability

 

did you undervolt?

 

yessssss, thats what i meant with stability

got 4.0 Ghz everyday setting and 4.5 Ghz stable for benchmarks

edit: batcave still most active thread on NBR and you 17 inch brothers pushed up to 5th place, nice! keep it up!

 

Man, this machine is beastly. Been basically running BOINC seti@home 16H straight. I've probably finished over 50 modules. My np5160 would've done 10 or so by now left that long. My chi mei screen is OK. Finally tweaked and the over saturation is better. Viewing angles are crap. Barely noticeable light bleed so I probably won't RMA it. Speakers are PHENOMENAL except for the unexplained occasional crackling. Headphone output is great. Sucks I gotta turn off the eq crap every time i plug in though. Touchpad is sweet. Fingerprint sensor is even better. Like how finger glides in and out.

Last 6h of boinc and CPU has spiked to mid 80's but still bouncing around 60's mostly. GPU is also being used and it's peaked at 63* but is mostly hanging steady at 60*. Auto fans. All stock paste. Sucks gotta flash a vbios to undervolt GPU. I only have a 64% ASIC, but I bet a 50mv undervolt would knock a couple degrees off alone.

Waiting for sager to send me some screws. One head was pre stripped and I stripped another head, though not as bad as the one pre stripped. Once I get the screws, it's getting GELID GC Extreme.

 

let me pull this one out of context real quick...

70.4% ASIC here....could be better, but doesnt matter, still gonna oc the crap out of it

now off to flashing the 980M prema vbios to prevent any power throttling and then start benching baby!

 

^^ rofl jaybee, great minds think alike

btw, what is ASIC?

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/your-gpu-silicon-quality-gpu-z-asic-test.649844/

 

It depends on the kind of load your machine is getting. Some load draws more power for the same amount of tasks even though other loads might seem the same (I.E. 50% CPU load etc). For example, LinX/Linpack will ramp 4 cores (not all 8 threads) to 100% and pull 80W+ load for me, but XTU stress test won't pull near the same wattage. Streaming pulls more than XTU as well, despite being under 100% load. Then we have Prime95 and Aida64 etc... it depends on the instructions being used on the CPU as well as what your settings are. You hit a load issue somewhere and you throttle. If you set your limits above what's necessary for anything, you'll only run into temp throttles. Just remember that you also run into the chance of overdrawing the power brick. 330W brick shouldn't run into any issues with single GPU and these machines, however.

 

I've got a 74.8% asic here. Also, maybe it is a driver issue, but after installing Prema's vbios, both my framerate and heat went up. But if I try to change voltage in nvidia inspector then run furmark, it crashes within 3-4 minutes. I've tried two drivers so far. Stock and Mr. Fox's. Anyone have ideas?

 

gimme a sec, just installed premas vbios mod myself and now modding 346.87 drivers to install....

 

Ah, haven't tried the 346.87 drivers yet. I was/am using modded 344.75 (currently on modded Mr. Fox's desktop driver).

 

dont. modded 346.87 .inf file, installation started nicely but then just black screen. had to reboot in safe mode and remove the driver with DDU... *ugh*

ok now, lets try 344.91 instead

 

I didn't DDU before flashing the vbios, just uninstalled and flashed on reboot. Should I DDU and reflash, then use Mr. Fox's?

 

i did DDU before flashing vbios. now running on 344.91, installation went fine. interestingly, msi kobustor went up to 77-78°C (which my gpu never hit before even on auto fans in that test) and then black screened, so had to restart. i dont think its driver related... fps were higher than before, which was to be expected due to the removed power throttling. let me play around with nvidia inspector a bit and get back to you on this...

 

Sounds like exactly what mine's doing, except I don't get the black screen and beeping until after running Furmark. I think everyone will be happy to know this! BTW, someone want to upload stock 970m 6gb vbios to techpowerup using gpu-z, I'd be very appreciatative!

 

ok this is very weird indeed...

i fixed myself a powersaving profile in nvidia inspector, using the lowest possible clocks (undervolting doesnt work yet, overvolting just in highest power state). then ran msi kombustor with that profile, also activated gpu monitoring, and this is what i got:



power/voltage/overvoltage throttle?! here i thought the modded vbios removed all that...

 

I have no clue... Strangest thing I've seen. Then again, I am new to videocard OC! Complete NOOB out of water.