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    *** Official Clevo P75xDM and P77xDM/Sager NP9758-G and NP9778-G "Batman 2.0" Owner's Lounge ***

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  1. Support.1@XOTIC PC

    Support.1@XOTIC PC Company Representative

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    Have you tried updating any SSD utilities or Intel RST? That might help with the boot times.
     
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    bfishman: those mentioned above, or Samsung's own Magician SSD software...although it has some important features still missing for the 950. I'm assuming you're using Sammy's own driver for the 950?
     
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    Yes, Magician is what I had in mind, but wasn't sure on what drive was being used. But it is worth trying if it is a Samsung.
     
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    I am not running Magician, will check that out. I have the latest Intel RST, ME, and the latest Samsung 950 pro drivers installed.
     
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    Samsung Magician Before Performance Optimization.PNG

    Running Magician, here's my benchmark. Things look normal. Bootup time was unaffected, however - 55 seconds. 29 seconds before it hit "Starting Windows", then another 26 to desktop.
     
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    I am familiar with overclocking and modding, but only on desktop :). I recently made the switch to laptop only lifestyle and the gaming laptop I had used was .... lackluster. I didnt like the msi gt70 at all. Perhaps it was the overtly thick vents or the terribleness of the GTX 880m. Hoping the clevo experiene with actual desktop CPU/GPU would be a bit more to what I am used to. :p

    Speaking of modding, I just saw this tool for deliding the other day. Might be useful for those of us with shaky hands.

    http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?t=148622
     
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    Magician support for the 950 is not fully official or completed yet, but it is forthcoming. Reviews suggest a notable performance improvement once it's finalized. So, keep an eye out for it and expect an increase in the 950's performance once it's released. You may be able to get it partially working with the 950 now (I read somewhere that someone managed it).

    Aside from that, it seems that many SSD's are having some issues under Win 10.

    Edit: just saw your post. Glad it recognized the 950. However, features of Magician are not fully implemented for 950 yet (e.g., Rapid Mode). Again, keep an eye out for updated version of Magician.
     
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    Guys you are aware that Magician 4.9 was released today morning?

    www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/samsungssd/downloads.html
     
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    Yep, but there are still several issues noted in the guide (e.g., RAPID mode not working with 950's yet, Intel RST driver conflicts, etc.). Those are the ones that hopefully another future version will correct.
     
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    Does the USB type c allow power-in on this implementation? I'm interested in using something like this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0156HCJQO?keywords=usb c cover&qid=1447429232&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1

    Would be great to have a back up battery for half the cost, that's also useful for my other mobile electronics.

    Also, does the WWAN port underneath the keyboard have the antenna cables pre-installed? I'm still waiting for mine to ship from AVADirect so I can see for myself, so any info is good info.
     
  12. 2bad0

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    Here's my Early Results on Eurocom sky x4 (750DM) (i7 6700k)(970m)..

    Will do more rigorous testing eventually.XTU Stress test 5 minutes

    All Temps are package temps. In my case core temps were lower than package

    Fans Auto all the way

    Stock

    stock core voltage = 1.23 - 1.25 (1.2450 average) Between 72-82 DegC 5 minute xtu stress test

    Hwinfo 3991.2 MHz = 40 x 99.8 MHz @ 1.2026 V

    idle core voltage 0.7 - 0.8 package temp 46DegC depending on time of day, core temp

    idle 0.7 - 0.8 package temp 46 depending on time of day, core temp


    Undervolted -194 mV (-195 you guessed it = unstable sometimes reboot)

    Hwinfo 3991.2 MHz = 40 x 99.8 MHz @ 1.0468 V

    Core Volt XTU 5 min stress test 1.04 - 1.06 ( ) up to 62-70DegC mostly lower 60's average

    idle 0.6 - 0.7 (average 0.6)
     
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    Oh, what IRST driver conflict bro?
     
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    Thanks for the undervolt specs, @2bad0 - that's a great drop in temp! Hoping to achieve the same

    RE: IRST driver conflict.. looking forward to driver updates on this front. I've now had 2 crashes / freezes after which the BIOS couldn't detect my 950 pro. I had to load up a repair console (using an Win 7 installation thumbdrive) and repair stuff...
     
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    22 seconds boot time here on my ZM.

    Wow, didn´t expect those high voltages at stock on Skylake. My 4790K at 4.0ghz@stock voltages tops out at 1.093 on OCCT (Large data set). Already thought the voltages of @Mr. Fox´s P870DM 6700K @4.5 were high...

    Btw max fans or auto?
     
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    Ahhhh...... Fans auto, sorry,edited my post to add
     
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    Hi all. What's a good external cooling dock for a Clevo P751DM - G?
     
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    Some bottle cap size supports on the back feet. (External fans won't help really due to the good airflow management of the chassis).
     
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    I'd agree. Try to elevate the back of the computer. Run some tests, do a before and after. Some models, just having a little more room for airflow will help out more than expected.
     
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    I get the fuzzy screen issue too, using drivers 354.09
     
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    354.09 is the driver that installs via windows update. Clevo delivers only 353.62.

    I don't get any fuzzy stuff with latest nvidia drivers (inf mod).

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
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    Looks like the latest drivers (358.91) install without any issues, no inf mod needed.
     
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    I have p770 and updated through GeForce with no issues. Haven't had fuzziness since.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk
     
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    I also had that fuzziness issue with the old drivers, never with the new ones.
    I thought it was because I had my screen overclocked
     
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    Nah, I had that issue before I overclocked my screen.

    BTW, what OC on your display are you running? I just set it to 75Hz, seems rock stable.
     
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    The latest drivers work only for p770 models. Not for the 750 ones. I am on Tapatalk and don't see your signature. Lucky you ☺

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
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    100Hz, the only issue troubling me was the fuzzy screen sometimes but that has never happened again since updating the nvidia deivers.
    I also had an issue when turning on the system from sleep the screen would just stay black, only by closing the lid, allowing it to go back to sleep again, and opening the lid once more would it return to normal.
    That has also not happened again since updating the drivers
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    Similar experience here (and same hz)
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    Sorry about the double post.

    So, after cleaning out the fins, this is what I got on the benchmarks with 4.5GHz, auto fan, 22C ambient:
    upload_2015-11-14_8-41-3.png
    Max CPU: 78
    Max GPU: 59
    GPU 150/150 overclock, no overclock.

    Edit: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10528181
    Edit2: @Ramzay
    upload_2015-11-14_9-16-55.png
    Edit 3: This is OC both/Base from March/(OC CPU/Base GPU)
    For the OC CPU, base GPU, Max fan:
    CPU: 69
    GPU: 50
     
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    You guys get much better temps than me. My VGA is getting to almost 80ºC when gaming for a while. CPU is surpassing 86ºC.
    I think I either need a repaste, or maybe my heatsinks are slightly warped.

    Or maybe it has to do because I'm in Portugal and we're having a little slice of summer in mid november :D Seriously, nothing but sun and 25ºC for the past few days
     
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    I've delidded, pasted with CLU, lapped, and switched out the screws on the heatsink. Also, mine is a ZM with a 4790K...
     
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    Ah! Still, those are great temps!
    Have you tried any other paste other than CLU? I think the Collaboratory stuff needs the most perfect of contacts in order to achieve full effect.
    But with delidding and lapping I'm guessing you've got that covered
     
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    But I also was running low on it and think it might need a little more (not sure as this is the second time I've ever applied it). About to order three more. Add a little to the current application (just to see), then the others for when I sell this machine and buy the Phoenix! :) btw, that is 4.5 ghz @1.14V.
     
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    Would you reccommend using CLU on any other setup than your own? I.E. stock heatsink
     
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    For the Phoenix, yes. The unified heatsink, no. The reasons:
    1) the cpu itself is slightly concave, meaning filling the space.
    2) the heatsink does not always sit flat with equal pressure. This can be problematic for pump out and contact issues for filling the gap.

    So for the P750/770ZM/DM/P775DM, my answer is no. If you lap to flat, maybe replace the screws to manually adjust pressure across the cpu, then I could see it.otherwise, use a good, traditional TIM.
     
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    Its CLU non conductive? I would imagine a liquid metal thermal paste to be conductive.......
     
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    It is conductive, hence the need for proper application (our else you could fry components).
     
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    I generally tends to favor the traditional non conductive stuff. Like AS or IC diamond. So why a lot of emphasize on re pasting? After you did a good paste job the first time, I would imagine there is not a lot of need to repaste unless you are switching pastes.
     
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    Just to make sure it is the best application. (I'm selling it and want to provide the best product I can).
     
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    Oh, good luck then. :newpalm:
     
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    Is there a modded bios for P770DM-G?
     
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    Mine was 354.06, but mine hasn't recurred since I updated the drivers.
     
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    It's worth a fresh install of the drivers if you get odd issues like that.
     
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    Yes, the new drivers work with the P770DM, and seems to fix the fuzzy issues. As mentioned, they aren't yet updated for the P750, so you need to mod your inf to install them.

    However, ever since I installed that new NVIDIA driver, I get this error each time I try to launch Unigine Valley:

    [​IMG]

    EDIT: Cleaned out the NIVIDIA drivers using DDU, re-installed, all seems to be working fine. False alarm.
     
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    ^Does valley have a ini file you can tweak to launch in another resolution?
     
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    Does the USB type c support power in?

    Also, does the PCIe slot under the keyboard have antennas in place?
     
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    Not yet, Prema is working on it.

    By the way, after some testing, I have yet to have my keyboard go above 38C under load. It is warmer than other laptops I've used, but not as hot as the P750ZM I had before.

    If yours is hot to the point you can't touch it, your machine is probably defective. And this is me saying that, the guy who can't stand warm/hot keyboards.
     
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    How can some drivers work for 770 and not for 750? I mean, it's basically same models, just their chassis differs a bit...
     
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    Apprently they have different hardware ids, the gpus in each model.
     
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    no need for ini file tweaking, u can just adjust the resolution in the launcher menu :)

    as for the need of repasting: even with the perfect paste job ull need to exchange the TIM at least every 6-12 months in order to be able to counteract dusty innards/heatsink fins/pumped out or dried up TIM, etc. its part of regular maintenance and prolongs a machine's life, or rather its hardware, so i can only recommend this as an absolute MUST to do to any user sporting a highend machine such as the DM series ;) uve spent tons of money on this, so spend another 20 bucks and half an hour to keep it in perfect condition for a while to come :)

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
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