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    *** Official Clevo P75xDM and P77xDM/Sager NP9758-G and NP9778-G "Batman 2.0" Owner's Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by ProFX, May 18, 2015.

  1. Debaiky

    Debaiky Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hi and welcome, regarding ur first question yes its working, i have 2x 256 samsung ssd in the slots and their working fine.

    About the linux i haven't tried it yet, hope some other friend answering it

    Sent from my GT-N7100 using Tapatalk
     
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    Strange. Unfortunately I don't know what to tell you, worked for me. Perhaps your hardware ID is slightly different? Only advice I can give is to check your ID in the device manager and then open the ini from the official driver and see if it's listed.
     
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    Stop using auto detect!!! Manually select your hardware!!!

    Edit: JUST CHECKED IT! MANUAL SELECTION OF 980m WORKS FINE!!! LISTEN TO AND FOLLOW DIRECTIONS!!! OTHER USERS TOLD YOU TO MANUALLY SELECT THE HARDWARE, YOU KEPT CLICKING AUTO DETECT! GRRRR!!!!
     
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    Thanks for the quick reply!

    That's cool; from what I read it seemed like only SATA III cards were working. Looks like maybe things changed. Awesome!

    I just noticed that System76 sells these as their "Serval WS". Since they target Ubuntu exclusively, I am going to go out on a limb and maybe consider that a non-issue as well.

    Any thoughts on what the keyboard is like? I code a lot during the day; although most of the time I am using an external keyboard and mouse so I can be kinda flexible I guess.

    Thanks again for the assistance, I really appreciate it.
     
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    I tried all possible stuff and still no luck.

    I checked the nv_disp file and my card Id is not here, DEV_1617.
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    So you downloaded the driver from manual selection and tried installing said driver?
     
  7. myx

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    Yes.

    LE: This is the full HW ID taken from device manager

    Code:
    PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1617&SUBSYS_75031558&REV_A1\4&62B0C4E&0&0008
    
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    LE2: Just saw your edit and honestly there's no need for all caps cruise control. I only tried to detect auto once, and NO, I do not usually do that. Manual selection of 980m/win10 x64/english us, yet the drivers do not install.

    This is the inf file from the drivers I keep downloading

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/uvdi29m1cg0yegi/nv_dispi.inf?dl=0

    Is it the same as yours? Or can you send me yours?
     
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  8. myx

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    I will gladly offer Teamviewer access to anyone willing to try installing these latest drivers on my computer :)
     
  9. Debaiky

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    I have the same HW ID as yours DEV_1617, and driver working fine 10.18.13.5891, and have updated it through the Nvidia GeForce Experience with no issue.
     
  10. myx

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    Can you upload those drivers that you used, on mega or Dropbox or something of your choice and send them to me please?

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
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    Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems that the p770dm is now updating OK. Howevever, for the p750dm, it does not appear that the new drivers from NVIDIA are recognizing the hardware. I also have the 750 and the new 358.91 is also not working for me.

    ADDENDUM:
    I got this working but used modded INF file. It was not working before, but I did a complete uninstall with Display Driver Uninstaller from Guru3D. Then it worked. Only regret is not trying it with the default INF first to see if that would work (I don't think it would as hardware ID was not in the INF).
     
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  13. Debaiky

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    Is anyone know the normal temp for i7 6700k with basic rendering in After effects or similar?
    Here 85c and I blv this is kinda hot! specially with icd 7. I still can return and replace it if this is a big problem with the machine.
    Thank you,

    "I still n Stock no OC yet" and if I added just few like 4.3gh or something it throttle.
     
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    Off topic, I'll be posting my P770ZM for sale soon. If you want it, pm me.
     
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    just do a repaste, proper paste job can make a huge difference. also, anything below 90C is safe even for longer periods of time. rendering of any kind is cpu intensive and ure dealing with a 91W desktop cpu in a laptop without having done any mods, repastes, whatsoever and probably not even working at cool ambient temps or having propped up the back of your machine ;) temps in the 80s at load is NOTHING to worry about, and surely not a valid reason to send back the machine *lol*

    also, wth are u guys obsessing about keyboard temps *lol* yeah sure, it gets WARM at times but cmon, are your hands made out of ice cream of smth? ;)

    another thing: whenever u update drivers, PLEASE DO NOT just install the new driver over the existing one. remove old driver with DDU in safe mode, reboot, disable driver signature enforcement just to be sure, reboot, then install the latest nvidia driver as administrator. only if THAT fails, would i recommend to go check out laptopvideo2go.com for modded drivers including modded .inf files. same install procedure goes for them as well!

    on that same note though: if everything fails, could this already be nvidia's new strategy of blocking off any standalone driver installs that arent part of a geforce experience update...? ugh...

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
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    loll...thanks man, your help always to the point: ) thanks
     
  17. CaptainDM

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    Hmm I wonder if pascal will be available in Feb?
     
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    No, it won't most likely
     
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    I still wanna know the date of p775 being released. I saw eurocom's website has put it on, but there is no more information about date and price. I also dont know if the model with GTX980 and with 9xxM would have some differences in heatsink fins. This may mean a lot to me. THX :D
     
  20. jclausius

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    Sky DLX 7 - at the bottom, launch date Dec 10th - http://www.eurocom.com/ec/future()ec
     
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  21. Niaphim

    Niaphim Notebook Consultant

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    After long and painful hesitation between the Phoenix and the Batman I've decided to go with the the latter. Going to place my order soon. But I need some help in choosing the configuration.
    The main point for me is longevity, and so I'd like to have reasonable temperatures over a bit of extra power.
    So, I tried to look for some information, but didn't really find what I wanted. Could you help me with this please?

    1)Is 6700 cooler than 6700k? By how much approximately?
    2)Is there any significant difference between 15" and 17" versions temperature-wise?
    3)In 2 or 3 years I'm going to replace the 980m I'm going to get by a high-end Pascal card or make an eGPU setup with Thunderbolt port, and I don't want to get a CPU bottleneck. How much of performance over 6700 can I gain if I do go with a 6700k and overclock it?

    Thank you in advance! :)
     
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  22. Niaphim

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    Probably not. It used to be March-April for desktop cards and a few months later for high-end mobile solutions.
     
  23. Harvey Yuan

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    15"and 17"use the exact same cooling system, so there should not be much difference. 6700k is a bit hot, but from my experience it will safely remain under 80 even at 4.2Ghz in gaming situations. Temperature is not really the problem if u do a good pastejob. 4.2 ghz is a lot of performance boost.
     
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  24. myx

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    The downloadlinks there point to nvidia website and trust me, I've already downloaded those like tens of times.

    As @neohopper said earlier , maybe, as crazy as it sounds, the p77xDM can upgrade with stock drivers, while the p75xDM cannot. He owns a 750 also and cannot upgrade with stock drivers.

    @Debaiky can you post your HW id please? for the 980m.
     
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  25. jaybee83

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    1) it will only be cooler at load, but not at idle. by huw much depends on the paste job, ambient temps, workload, software used, etc. too many factors to include to give a universal definitive answer ;) if youre worried about longevity though, 6700k is your answer all the way.

    2) not really, as mentioned before, both use the same cooling system

    3) just compare clocks, since both are based on the same arch and sport the same number of threads: 4.0 vs. 3.4 ghz at stock, thats ~18%, initial reports suggest that with a good paste job one could safely overclock to 4.5 ghz if not more, to thatll put the perf boost vs the 6700 to ~32%.

    my advice: teach urself how to properly repaste, its an absolute MUST for regular maintenance and longevity of such a machine :)

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
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    Wow, just read this post, I have had the same issue. I have a 770DM, Win10. I've had the same screen issue as well as just recently I came back after about 30 minutes and my laptop display and 2 external displays were all black but the computer was on (I have sleep disabled) and there was nothing I could do to get the display to come back up. I eventually just had to force shutdown and restart. I'm assuming after the display turned off (I have it set to turn off after 15 minutes of inactivity) that something happened.

    Sent from my sweet Galaxy Note 5
     
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    HOPE my P771DM-G arrives this week

    Gesendet von meinem Nexus 5
     
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    Hey guys. Several peeps have asked about installing Windows 7 (specifically on an NVME drive) in this thread, including myself. Well, after about 14 hours of work I've finally gotten it figured out. So I decided to write the process up (and believe me, it is a process), in order to save others a bit of time. Here's the link, enjoy!

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...an-nvme-ssd-from-a-usb-3-0-thumbdrive.783921/

    Now to start benching my brand new p750-DM!
     
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    And what do you think about P775DM? It's going to have a 180W GTX980 as an option. Unless they tweak the cooling system it's going to run very hot probably? Any rumors about that?
     
  30. myx

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    Do you mind trying to install latest nvidia drivers without modding them?

    And also if you can post your hw id, for the gpu of course.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
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    Sure, give me 10 minutes or so.
     
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    Installer failure, couldn't find compatible hardware :/


    EDIT: [​IMG]

    Most of that is probably pulled from the VGA driver.. for example I should have 8 GB ram (980m), etc.
     
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    Can you post your hw id?
    Take the hw id from device manager and post it in full please.

    We could use a hw id from a 980m in one of those p770 for comparison.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
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    This is from a P750DM, GTX 980m ( NOT a P770)
    [​IMG]
     
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    Same as mine. I do believe that for the p770 is a different id since people are reporting that they can install without modding inf files.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
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    Bummer. Hoping there's a new driver out by morning, else I'm modding the inf. Kinda ridiculous. But what are you gonna do, run ATI? (lol!) ;-)
     
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    I updated the drivers to the latest version via Geforce Experience with no issues, maybe try that?
     
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    Can you post your hw id?

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
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    I'm at work right now, don't have it with me. It's a 1617 though.


    On another note - I'm gonna get my speaker issue sorted. It's gotten way worse now, to the point where I cannot use the built in speakers as they only pump out horrible noise.
    20 day old laptop and already has to go meet it's manufacturer again... I must be the unluckiest Clevo buyer ever as my old machine also had all sorts of issues.
     
  40. jclausius

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    The p775dm (the Wingman) has a suped up cooling system along the lines of the p870dm. Cooling shouldn't be a problem with the gtx 980. Some pix here - http://forum.techinferno.com/clevo-...p775dm1-g-aka-wingman-executive-lounge-1.html
     
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    For several reasons, but mostly because it's one of those things that bothers me.

    We all have things we can live with and things we can live without. For some its noise, others its colour spectrum of the LCD, for others bad audio output, etc. You get bothered if your CPU can't hold its turbo-clocks without throttling right? Probably because that's a sign of a poorly-designed machine.

    For me, knowing full-well that it is entirely possible to make machines with a keyboard that doesn't get hot, I get annoyed with a machine that does. I fired up an Alienware 18 with two GPUs and a CPU where the heatsinks were directly beneath the keyboard, unlike this machine where its on the opposite side of the motherboard. Yet the AW18s keyboard temps barely budge. A warm keyboard is a sign of bad/lazy design as far as I'm concerned. I mean, even The ASUS ROG G751 remains whisper quiet and the keyboard temps don't budge. And that's an ASUS, man.

    It bothers me, so I make a deal out of it. I expect a machine that I pay $2K+ for to meet certain standards. I actually use my notebook as a notebook, meaning it's on the kitchen table or the counter top, and I use its LCD panel and its keyboard. As such, I need a good-quality panel and a keyboard that is comfortable to use at all times.

    What's your problem with this? I don't dismiss your concerns when a laptop fails to meet your standards/criteria, even if it's not something I personally care about.
     
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    I feel your pain about keyboard temps. i'm getting this though http://keymouse.com/ expensive but i spend 50 hours/week at the computer, and it shouldn't be warm!
     
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  43. Ramzay

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    On a much more exciting note, the machine is arriving today. Can't wait to fire this baby up and see what it can do.

    I must say I'm again impressed with Eurocom's service. I ordered around noon on Monday, it was shipped yesterday, arriving today. They also gave me a small free upgrade (from the Killer 1525 to the Killer 1535). Not a huge deal, but a nice gesture all the same.
     
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    In regards to the kb temp issue... For those who like to tinker, i wonder if there's a solution that uses rubber shelf liner or some other material that could be used to insulate the kb? It would have to be thin, but perhaps there's some work-around for ppl who like the cool as a cucumber feel on their kb.

    Besides shelf liners, maybe there's some kind of thermal duct tape or something.
     
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    Sure, PCI Device 10DE-1617 / 1558-7703 (Rev A1)
     
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    I tried doing something when I had my P750ZM, such as using electrical tape to reflect heat, combining it with some thin cardboard (to isolate both types of heat). It wasn't very successful, because the space between the bottom of the keyboard and the metal plate it lies on underneath is really tight, and you can just about fit 1-3 pieces of regular sheet paper before it's too thick.

    I'm going to keep an eye out and see if something does the job.
     
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    Yes, I agree with you, they are very nice, they also gave me some amount of icd7 paste plus the Killer upgrade. Eurocom nice job.
     
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    I've never thought of this until you guys raised the question, but I'm wondering if some mylar (the stuff used to reflect heat in emergency "space blankets") would do the trick. It could reflect the heat back into the chassis and away from the keyboard. You could probably even put several layers since it's so thin. It's really cheap and very easy to work with. Then again, you'd be reflecting heat back into the chassis, so you'd have to watch your temps closely.

    My other thought would be modifying some insulation material from a home improvement store so it's thin enough (and probably using the silver/reflective side facing downward into the chassis if possible).
     
  49. Ramzay

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    The temps on this laptop are so good that unless you're trying to over-clock the crap out of it, it can handle a few extra degrees in heat.

    As long as the insulating material is

    a) Not thicker than 1-3 pieces of paper
    b) Able to reflect several types of heat (radiant, conductive and convective)

    it should help.
     
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    Yeah, I'm thinking modify some insulation for the conductive and convective heat, and place a layer of mylar underneath for the radiant heat.

    Or, sandwich some foil/foam combo insulation tape between layers of mylar (with the reflective side of the tape facing down into chassis). If I wanted to reduce keyboard temps, I'd try something like this first because it would be incredibly cheap and easy. Plus, the foil/foam tape will dampen sound and vibration a little.
     
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