*** Official Clevo P75xDM and P77xDM/Sager NP9758-G and NP9778-G "Batman 2.0" Owner's Lounge ***

Of course upgrading and future proofing is not for everyone I just happen to be one of them though. And as far as pascal and mxm goes I think it doesn't have much to do with if it will fit because it should but I think its more like how generous Nvidia is feeling.

 

Yet another reason why NVMe is a must on the new Batman 2.0 . Another article on Engadget said new devices are already in production. Skylake-S launch finger crossed
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/micron-intel-3d-xpoint-memory,29690.html

 

August 5th is getting close here... anyone hear anything new or rumblings about this model?

 

The G-Sync version is coming out soon. Haven't heard about the full refresh, though. Might not happen until Q4.

 

Hello,

I just discovered the awesome p75xZM barbone and i want to buy one but I'm asking a question to myself : is it a bad idea to buy a p75xZM now ? I want to wait for the p75xDM but ddr4 and skylake cpu are going to be realy expensive at the begining. What do you think about that ?

 

I'm getting back into laptop building myself, I'm going to try freeing up one of my credit cards to buy a Clevo p750 barebone from rjtech.
I feel pretty confident at buying the barebone now and being able to install a Nvidia Pascal card later on.
Of course things can always change later on, but who knows how far into 2016 all of these new things will be coming out.
I think it's kinda silly to play the "omg but new cpu with DDR4 ram coming soon!" and you end up never buying that new laptop,because you are always waiting for that new thing.
Besides for the case of DDR4 ram, it's in the same situation as PCIE3.0,it's not yet fully appreciated because there aren't enough applications available at the time to fully make use of all the bandwidth it provides.
I think I will be happy with the Clevo p750 as it is now.

 

As @JADabandon already said, the DM won't give you much profit, gaming-wise.

Skylake - CPU-Power is not a problem in ZM. Desktop-Haswell/Broadwells will still be 25% faster than any mobile Skylakes. The slight more speed of the Desktop-Skylake won't be noticed much.
DDR4 - The only thing you will notice is the much heftier price of the DDR4 sticks. Increasing bandwith by 50% on Haswell resulted in a bit more than 1% percent speed in games.
USB3.1 - If you have anything with the need for this bandwith, ok.
Graphics - Both have MXM3b. And graphics is the only thing were you'd experience a real difference for gaming. But there is no difference between ZM/DM.

So if you want the fastest non-sli laptop now, get a ZM. You won't regret it if you don't care that it will be the second-fastest in some months. If you don't need to buy now you can wait. But then you should wait for the 990M or Pascal and not for Skylake.

 

Thanks for your replies guys !
So no need to wait for me

It would be awesome if we only need to change the motherboard to upgrade to skylake ! (dreaming dreaming )

 

You don't have to use DDR4 with skylake of course, it will be interesting to see what options will be available.

 

The main benefit of switching to DDR4 is simply that larger sticks are going to be available, no?

 

Some news (use google translate): http://www.notebookcheck.com/Intel-...Core-i7-6700K-und-Core-i5-6600K.147481.0.html

 

Finally some news I wonder how long it will be until more skylake chips are released and until it becomes available for purchase stateside. The original batbook was released in NA after the EU and Asian release so I guess it will be the same. Anyone have any clues on that release?

 

I'm pretty hyped that this model is getting a Sound Blaster, was really disappointed by the sound in my P650SE both speaker-wise and headphone-wise (I do have a USB Sound Blaster so I'm just using that instead).

If only the new Batman could have a glass display, be it an optional touchscreen or not, I'd probably buy it on release, but somehow I doubt that's going to be an option.

 

It's just the Sound Blaster software, same thing that's in the current Clevo notebooks. It actually works though and can increase audio volume and quality decently.

 

I would pretty much guarantee we're getting the same Realtek ALC892 chip (also in the P650 series) paired with Creative's SB Software. I never use on board audio so I can't speak to how well it functions, but I can say the creative software is way too bloated.

 

Ddr3 vs ddr4 ( translate or just look charts )
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/940-5/cpu-ddr4-vs-ddr3-pratique.html

 

ha, this thread reminds me of the early batcave days

my take on the DM series thus far:

1) with skylake ull get about 10-12% clock for clock performance increase, add to that an increased efficiency in energy consumption of about 20-30%. skylake has already been shown to be ocable to about 4.8 ghz, so best case scenario:

4.8 ghz 6700K vs. 4.5 ghz 4790K = roughly 20% more cpu performance

2) ddr4 vs. ddr3: at this point in time not worth the price premium, but itll surely increase in performance and vastly surpass ddr3 in the coming future, thus good for future-proofing, bad for ur wallet (but nobody cares in the batcave 1.0/2.0 )

3) m.2 pcie 3.0 vs. 2.0: again not really worth it atm, since we dont even have any drives that saturate the pcie 2.0 4x port on batman yet! but i expect lots of drives to hit the market soon and with them nice performance bumps

4) usb 3.1 & TB3: veeery nice, one can never have enough throughput for external devices!

all in all, tough decision to be honest.

if ure already a batman owner: no regrets, batman 2.0 will of course beat 1.0, but not by much.

if ure on the lookout for a new machine, it depends on your needs whether u should wait for the DM series or get urself the ZM:

- gamers: no worries, grab the ZM
- cpu-dependent professionals: wait for DM
- storage enthusiasts: either is just fine!

im hoping this thread will get the same love and attention from its future owners / batcave 2.0 inhabitants as version 1.0 has so far, keep it up people!

cheers folks!


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What about raid 0 with m.2 pcie x4 ?

 

well it sounds like the pcie configuration is analogous to the ZM series, meaning one can either drive a raid of 2 m.2 drives with each running on 2 pcie 3.0 lanes or u can go for one drive with 4 pcie 3.0 lanes. seeing as the one drive would be exactly as fast as the raid setup it wouldnt really make sense to go for the two drive option...

that, of course, changes if the DM series indeed packs two ports with 4 pcie 3.0 lanes each, that would be quite....insane! and awesome!

 

Insane and awesome, I couldn't say it better

That's what I expect from this new clevo the rest is just blabla ...

 

I don't see why it wouldn't. Both the Q170 and Z170 chipets have 20 PCIE lanes of their own (separate to the CPU). The old 4+2 limitation was due to Haswell PCIE lanes being quite limited (Z97 only had 8 PCIE lanes and 2 of those often went to networking/wireless, leaving 4+2).

Otherwise, I'm super interested to see how the TB3 implementation goes. Im running an old SB 2600K desktop and if I can get a GPU dock then the DM series will effectively replace it entirely.

 

I wonder if pro fx has those batteries we talked about earlier ? I would love a 12 cell option for this then pretty much all my wishes would be complete. Speaking of battery I can't wait to see how this performs in all around usage and battery life compared to the zm. I don't expect much but a extra 30-60min of usage would be nice.

Its nice seeing the person who as far as I remember coined the term batman for the zm. As a member of the original threads I have to say it was a blast being apart of that and I see this thread as a continuation of it. Clevo really made brilliant moves with the zm and this DM delivers as well and practically offers all things I wanted from those earlier threads.

 

Has anyone see any official news regarding availability of the P770DM/P750DM ? All I've been able to find is this link - http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Skylake-Clevo-P750DM-and-P770DM-with-Intel-Core-i7-6700K-and-Core-i5-6600K.147499.0.html (the English version of the link from a previous post)

Nothing more than a teaser. Regardless, I think it is time to check how much payola is in the rainy-day piggy-bank.

 

I think we are all scanning the horizon like a flock of bald eagles, sadly no sign of the DM.

 

i wouldnt expect anything before beginning of Q4 this year. couple of reasons: it wouldnt make sense to offer laptops with only two available socketed cpus in the pipeline (and those not even really available yet), so it makes more sense to start offering the DM series once mainstream skylake becomes available. plus its only been like 7 months since the first global availability of the ZM series, so one can expect a more or less yearly refresh cycle

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Hey!
Im wondering, if the battery life will be increased by using the Haswell integrated Graphics HD4600. Has anybody tried to deactivate the dedicated Graphics card?
I have no ZM yet and i might also wait for the DM, since i can already feel it around the corner
However if the manual graphics switch wont work at all, i might consider a XEON to save money.
cheers

 

The ZM/DM have the integrated graphics deactivated. Meaning that they're physically not connected.

 

Yes the display outputs are wired straight to the MXM slots, so no optimus support.

 

I know it has no Optimus. I use currently a W880CU and i can switch between my integrated and dedicated graphics card manually (i have the first generation I5). I do this by deactivating/activating the dedicated card by windows options. The integrated is switched on and off automatically, so just one card is active at a time.
The only thing i want to know, if this works with the P771zm too.

 

Nope.

 

Fortunately it doesn't work.

 

Can you show screenshots as I don't think you are doing what you think you are doing.

 

that made me lol @Meaker

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Notebook Running with 280m:



Notebook Running with HD GMA (280m deactivated):

 

Yes when it's disabled it's basically the same state as uninstalling the driver, your CPU is rendering the image (not the IGP portion) and then outputting that through the GPU (via the basic driver). You are not really running off the IGP.

 

Not sure what to make of this:

http://www.multicom.no/multicom-kunshan-p751-156-full-hd/cat-p/c1000042/p10631774

It looks like the 751DM, with i7-6700k and a 15" FHD G-Sync option. The expected date is 28/8 I think (can't actually read the language the website is in).

First real versions of the new range (there are 771DM options in the range too) or placeholders?


Edit: same page through a translator

https://translate.google.com/transl...han-p751-156-full-hd/cat-p/c1000042/p10631774

Whats most exciting about this for me is if the 15" FHD G-Sync option is real; I'd really like that on the Batman, but neither want to get a 4k resolution with only a 980m nor have to go to the 17" model. Plus of course the implication that these machines might hit before Sep!

 

translated:

Availability:
Must be booked, assumed 08/28/2015

if that assumption holds true that would be quite mindblowingly early!

 

I think its better they release it earlier no point in waiting since the skylake desktop chips are already here and the chassis of the notebook is based on the zm. According to that same source it seems 32gb is the cap for the ddr4 ram (laptop versions). I think later on higher ram could still be possible though. Hopefully during the idf (intels keynote event) more skylake chips will be announced or made available to purchase. It makes sense releasing them around this time as back to school is a major purchase time of laptops. Of course, those are the EU models so I'm wondering now how long it will take sager and NA distributors to begin sales. Either way its nice to see more info on these and I hope to finally have an upgrade soon.

 

doesnt really make sense to release such a model yet with only two skylake cpus on the market, and those not really in great quantities yet. thats why im so surprised if that date actually holds true

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I don't see anything wrong with selling them with the two available cpu's for the time being since it still provides an option for the buyer. As far as what you said about quantity I'm not sure of the availability of skylake in your area but over here its all over the place including amazon ebay and major electronic stores making them very available in my region. With back to school and holidays I think these will sell like hotcakes if they release it asap. September-October time I feel would be perfect for North American sales.

 

sure theyre available but ull have to have like a ton of these chips in stock as a reseller/vendor in order to be able to satisfy the high demand of a new laptop barebone model. and electronic stores all over the place having those in stock doesnt mean they have them in truckloads, a single cpu in stock is enough for a shop to let the green availability light pop up on their website

in any case, exciting times these upcoming weeks! DM series, 990M, huawei nexus....cant wait!

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I dont see anything wrong with the dm releasing sooner than later and chip availability even if it was confirmed to be an issue will only increase with time. I think the zm guys want this to be delayed after all its the refined model and some may even secretly want the DM and becuasde of that would have to find a way to sell or make room for the DM, thus having the DM delayed a bit would help in that case...I hate implying such a thing I really do and If I'm wrong may the readers and the Lord forgive me for thinking that way.

Anyway going back to this link https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.multicom.no/multicom-kunshan-p751-156-full-hd/cat-p/c1000042/p10631774
I like that clevo retained all the usb ports the zm had and gives the usb type c as a extra port and not simply use one of the original port slots. This way we still have all the previous usb hubs on the laptop plus the additional type c as seen in the pictures.
And going back to this link:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-...Core-i7-6700K-and-Core-i5-6600K.147499.0.html
I'm glad clevo plans to release multiple versions of this including the base 750dm with a normal 1080p screen. One thing I was worried about is clevo forcing the 4k and gsync screens on these newer models so I'm pretty darn happy its not. Again I hope Sager doesn't lag too far behind I want this stateside asap.

 

I'd be surprised if the 1080p was not G-sync too, it's a nice feature to have.

 

Notice that the photos are not the same in the links. The NotebookCheck points out the USB-C. Without seeing the other side in the NBC photos, one USB 3.0 has been replaced by USB-C. Multicom's are likely ZM pics.

 

Also remember that unofficial images may be of early revisions or models and may not be final with specs/layout subject to change.

 

Thanks for pointing that out and I see what your saying yeah the notebook check link seems to be the only legit pictures shown so far.

Okay I'll keep that in mind thanks.

 

Good point. NotebookCheck's may not be the eventual layout.

 

Completely agree on the photos, they look like they're stock ZM photos in that multicom link. I'm hoping though that the specs are as listed; it would surprise me if not actually, considering that they're allowing customers to place pre-orders for these machines based on the specs listed on that page. (And also assuming of course that Multicom is legit; I stumbled across the website doing a google search for the new DMs, and had never heard of them before but thats hardly surprising given they're Norwegian).

The one spec that I really want to see confirmed is the G-Sync availability on a 15" FHD panel. I think thats the size/resolution at which we'll see much more widespread uptake of the G-Sync functionality.

Its also interesting to note that the Multicom website lists discounts of 10-15% or so for the top-end ZM models it its range, but no discounts on the lower spec'd machines. For me, this is also indicative that the dates listed on their site are put up in good faith.

Now I'm just hoping its not too long before we see an option to pre-order at Mysn/XMG, PC Specialist, and the various other European resellers.

Edit: actually, the other exciting takeaway from the Multicom site is that there doesn't seem to be a huge mark-up for the new DM machines; they're a bit more expensive spec-for-spec than the ZM range, but not outlandishly so.

 

ummm...no? *lol* for me personally it doesnt make any difference whatsoever if the DM series is released in august, september, or october im keeping my dark knight no matter what, since i got the 4yr warranty for a good reason all im saying is that i would be surprised of such an early release seeing as the usual refresh cycle takes more or less a year and not just 7 months... add to that the fact of just two cpu models barely available...
of course u dont see a problem with it releasing sooner rather than later, since ure out to buy one totally get that, just dont interpret stuff here that dont exist

i dont see a problem with the FHD screen being gsync, if u dont like that function u can just switch it off and use the display in a regular manner

once actual availability of the DM series is given, im expecting the base pricing to be exactly the same as the ZM series with the ZM being offered with more and more discounts in order to get rid of the remaining stock and thus phasing it out. wouldnt make sense to offer two such similar machines in parallel for longer periods of time.

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Don't forget that this is 1151 socket. Considering that [ in response to other posts ] Skylake desktop CPU stock is widely available to the public and in the channel, there's no reason why it shouldn't be available sooner rather than later.

Mobile Skylake may be a different story.

Even so, 28th August is pushing it....

@Gunn - itching to release concrete information and launch, must....hold....back!