*** Official Clevo P75xDM and P77xDM/Sager NP9758-G and NP9778-G "Batman 2.0" Owner's Lounge ***

Fair point, I suppose pushing back availability to 1 Sep instead would be just about tolerable...

 

Well it is a bank holiday weekend over 29th-31st August and I was planning to take 3 days off work, so 1st Sept sounds like a plan

 

I think we've reached the point now for the obligatory

 

I can read between those lines

 

This Owners' Lounge has so many pages and it's not even available for sale!

Bunch of time travelers.

 

Well of course we resllers personally use all the unreleased models and then sell them when they launch and move to the next ones, that's how we all operate

 

i knew it! so....got a job vacancy, by any chance?

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^^^^^ Well... I suppose I should part with my NP9380-P370SM3....
The 4th quarter of this year is just too much to resist!

 

Sounds like a similar model, perhaps with a desktop CPU, might be available at that time.

 

sli machine with performance desktop cpu (e.g. non X-E models) should be coming up this year, would be surprised if it didnt

 

First dibs !

 

I do tend to clock my systems enough to get next gen performance already

That is the only way to cheat.

 

I'm getting real anxious hearing all the chats here about possible early dates for this one but no mention for my region. Any clues on when a the NA will get the DM? In the mean time I'm already having a hard time determining what screen size and cpu to get. Im seriously considering a 17in 1080p since I already have 15in laptops but I might get another 15 its a though decision lol. And I'm considering the i5 unless I see more i7 variations revealed soon at Idf. Since I plan on upgrading I'm not sure if I want a full blown 6700k as my first cpu. I was planning on saving a upgrade for the kabylake which would be the presumed final stage of possible upgrades.

 

Lol we still haven't even got the 750ZM-G yet avaiable for sale down under. Australia always misses out on the bleeding edge of technology. Plus we have only one Clevo reseller here. One went bankrupt couple of years back . If I'm correct XoticPC offers shipping to Australia, if you can cope with the shipping costs plus robbery import tax that is.

 

Man that's incredible. When I was reading your post it reminded me of a few items I sold on eBay that shipped to Australia. It was my first sale to someone outside the US and after shipping costs and import fees and everything I was just floored how much this person spent on what I sold them, and yet the alternative was for them to go without it all together so they didn't have alot of choice. I'm sure Australia is an amazing place to live and I know that there's more to life than what kinds of merchandise you can get in the place that you live, but it does truly make me grateful for the access I have and the ability to find a good deal without being robbed blind by things like exorbitant international shipping costs and import fees.

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There aren't any firm dates for anyone as such yet, although beginning of Sep does seem increasingly likely here in the EU. I think North America is covered based on the fact that Eurocom put out a press release about selling the 750/770DM as the X4 and X6 respectively ( http://www.eurocom.com/ec/release(307)ec ), and it would surprise me if they weren't one of the first resellers to have stock for sale.

 

Pretty sure this was due to the low numbers or 750ZM systems sold down here and the relative rarity of the G-Sync 4K panels. AFAIK the BIOS requirement essentially meant ordering new motherboards pre-flashed with the G-Sync signed code which sucks.

The other thing, is with the P7X0DM series so close I suspect they don't really want to be holding onto too many of the ZM series as they'll get very hard to sell.

 

Something interesting from that Eurocom press release.

Included doesn't necessarily mean supported but I hope, and doubt, that's not Optimus.

No doubt!

 

So how could it be compatible to dx12 like they say ?

If optimus works it would be the best change.

 

no optimus, period. were talking about a desktop chipset with desktop cpu. desktops DO NOT SUPPORT OPTIMUS! ever!

the only viable option would be a manual mux switch, which would allow using the iGPU after a reboot. but seeing as clevo hasnt done this in like forever, i highly doubt the DM series will let u use the iGPU in any way...

 

anyway i think that we are going to wait a long time, so-dimm ddr4 still didn't show it face ...

 

There's a long history of Clevo resellers putting/leaking information on their websites and making announcements pre-launch, often those who offer it first will have stock last :-(

@Atreide - DDR4 SODIMMs do exist and are in testing. You can buy Corsaid DDR4 SODIMMs now online (though I would choose a Hynix integrator for DDR4 like Hyper-X as opposed to Samsung/Corsair).

 

interesting ! I'm going to call my resellers

What's difference ? clock frequency and latency isn't the most important ?

 

@XMG: whys that? have u guys had better compatibility experience with kingston modules as opposed to corsair/samsung ones? i for one have actually seen right the opposite

 

@Atreide @jaybee83 We used to offer Corsair SODIMMs, but we experienced a higher than expected failure rate so switched to Hyper-X for the higher frequency skus (2133MHz DDR3) but still offer Hyper-X and Crucial Ballistix 1866MHz. You shouldn't really have too many problems with either to be honest, but our RMA pool data comes from big numbers of sales and RMAs so we go off what we see.

It wasn't always like this, for example in some older chassis only Samsung 8GB SODIMMs would work correctly in 4x 8GB configuration, but Hynix chips give us better results at the moment on 2133MHz and up. Plus remember that different companies use different chips and sometimes one sku in a range could be Micron whilst another could be Hynix or Samsung.

 

Even enthusiasts have had better luck with kingston modules too. We go for kingston for our high speed modules and I run their 2133mhz in my machine.

 

This makes me feel good about going Ballistix 1866MHZ CL10 when the Hyper-X dried up. If you know, why did the Hyper-X 1866MHz go to CL11, availability or something else?... Just looked, you guys have Hyper-X CL10

 

I have mixed experience with Corsair & Kingston 2133 modules. Both failed after 6 months and replacements worked fine so far without any issue. However Corsair modules OC better.



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Overclocking will vary stick to stick so it's hard to say which clocks better unless you are testing dozens of kits. Also some tests by Mr. Fox show the kingston doing better even with looser timings.

 

i for one am sad i cant get my corsair sticks stable at 2400 and as it looks like, 2133 is gonna be the best well get for ddr3 sodimms with ddr4 around the corner...

 

No mention of the price makes me believe it will be behind the other releases but I'm glad its already posted on their website meaning something is happening. Thanks for the link bud.

Ah man I hear ya pal, just when you think you have it bad there's somebody that has it worse. Those int shipping prices are murder in the first. Hey since your in AU have you tried searching for asian vendors near your area? Figured you might get better rates since your closer to those areas that way you can get a DM.

They have them available and as people pointed out a bit more pricier than ddr3 :
http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/corsai...imm-2133mhz-c15-memory-kit-cmso8gx4m2a2133c15
http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/corsai...mm-2133mhz-c15-memory-kit-cmso16gx4m2a2133c15

Even though its unlikely I would love a mux switch for the extra battery life and Its too bad we cant take advantage of the iris graphics just for that reason alone but In terms of performance though nothing beats that discrete gpu.

 

I don't understand, can you elaborate? Does the P750DM not have 4 DIMM slots like the P750ZM?

There are already 128GB kits available with 4x32GB DDR4 sticks. From my perspective, those larger capacity sticks would be the main benefit of waiting for DDR4.

 

the kits u saw would most likely be desktop DIMM kits, its normal for sodimms to have an overall smaller capacity, seeing as the form factor is of lesser dimensions as well. 16 gb sodimms for a total of 64gigs wouldnt be out of the range of possibility though i bet

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Sure I can pal, when I said "it seems 32gb was the ram cap" I said that only because I was summing up what I saw from this article a few days ago:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.multicom.no/multicom-kunshan-p751-156-full-hd/cat-p/c1000042/p10631774
However upon inspection of this article it seems that both the pictures and the specs were just estimates based on the ZM model since at the time the DM was just announced and very little info was available. So to answer you, now I'm pretty sure there WILL be 4 DIMM slots like the ZM and I think that these DM models will be able to climb higher than 32gb of ram.

As a matter of fact bigspin just posted a link in another thread that was interesting even though its not a clevo brand check it out; its the first skylake mobile laptop that released:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9503/...ile-workstations-with-first-mobile-xeon-chips
This laptop has a max ram cap of 64gb so I no longer suspect the DM of only reaching 32gb and naturally I think it will also be able to handle 64gb of ram.

Things are getting a bit more exiting !

 

looking good, 16GB DDR4 SODIMMs already available: http://www.cyclotron.de/fujitsu-16gb-ddr4-2133-rg-ecc-306950?sPartner=Idealo



only thing left now is system bios compatibility but thats up to clevo (and/or prema )

 

I don't want no stinkin' DDR4 yet. They offer zero benefit over DDR3 at the moment. I'd rather have my CAS 11 DDR3 2400MHz than CAS24 DDR4 2133MHz any day.

 

its true, itll take a while until ddr4 is gonna beat ddr3, but thats always been the case with new ram gens

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I don't really care whether it is DDR3 or DDR4....I just want 64GB of it.

 

But why and what for? And why not 128 GB?

 

I would say about 75% of my work can fit in 32GB of memory...about 95% can fit in 64GB. If 128GB was possible, I could get rid of my X79 desktop, but it's wishful thinking in a laptop with SO-DIMMs.

If I could throw this up on AWS or similar I totally would, but our regulatory requirements mandate otherwise.

Spoiler

 

Edit: OMG Wrong thread sorry!

 

The main benefit is larger capacity sticks, no?

Soon we should have 32GB SODIMM sticks, making possible the 128GB kits, and some crazy fast rendering in After Effects on the new Batman.

 

DDR4 should also use about 30% less power than equivalent 2133mhz sticks. In laptops where every watt counts then it's definitely useful.

 

although of course in the case of batman one doesnt really care about 10 watts more or less

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people need ram to run vms ? ... i run 1 for Sharepoint , 1 for SQL Server taking up 16 gb each.

 

DDR4 will run at 1.2V compared to 1.35V DDR3L, that's 12.5% less power. For unique cases, sure 64GB RAM may be required, but 99.9% of users, 32GB is more than adequate, and there are 16GB DDR3L modules imminent. I'm not saying DDR4 isn't needed, because it is, just for now it isn't for a primarily gaming laptop. Put them in desktops and portable workstations.

 

Its 12.5% less voltage, nobody talked about currents so the power is unknown.

 

Agreed. However, can we also agree the P7X0DM is not solely a gaming rig, but can be something else? It can also be that portable workstation (or desktop replacement - DTR). Being that a DTR can do what most desktops can do... You want to play games on a desktop. No problem. You want to write code 14 hours a day. No problem. You want to draw with CAD program...

Like ghedge and myself, there are a lot of users out there using Clevo based machines for CAD work, software development, etc. My workplace is littered with retired D9Ts and D900Fs, and a machine capable of 64GB+ will be a nice feature.

Getting back to what can be placed into these machines, I wish Intel would've also released an Octo Core CPU for the initial Skylake release. Perhaps things will change down the road, and they'll release a hex+ CPU for LGA1151 that will fit in this machine. Keeping my fingers crossed.

 

It can be either a gaming rig or a workstation (or both). The extra CPU speed can help depending on the situation in games.

 

Is the Batman not considered a portable workstation? It is available with workstation graphics, although it seems for many of the demanding creative applications, 980M or "990M" will likely be more effective than the Quadro/Firepro mobile cards.