*** Official Clevo P75xDM and P77xDM/Sager NP9758-G and NP9778-G "Batman 2.0" Owner's Lounge ***

hallelujah !!

P75xDM is looking good

• Skylake - Check
• TB3 - Check
• nvme SSD - Check
• Infinity Display - ?

 

Supposedly TB3 and USB type c are supposed to be same connector. Possibly something to wait for a few people.

 

Ahh that's what I meant, I'll fix it

Thank you yes that is correct it was late when I was posting..

The idea of a Infinity display is nice being frameless, but I don't think Clevo will go that route, also I don't really like how Dell's Infinity Display has the webcam at the bottom it's a very odd placement. Though let's hope Clevo upgrades the webcam and incorporates Intel's RealSense which is very likely as it's part of the whole Skylake package.

Lots of exciting things to look forward too!

 

I've just had a look at this Infinty Display that you guys have mentioned, is it the whole package (panel + bezel+ whatever else?) or just a feature concept (minimal amount of bezel around the panel?)

Either way, it looks amazing imo, would actually love for a Clevo design like that, I'm not sure I can see it happening though

 

I will probably wait until Pascal is confirmed before I hop on the ship. Tired of too many Maxwell refreshes. (Especially the new successor to 980M being another maxwell chip later this year)

 

Each design will be around for a little while due to the costs involved in designing them. Expect the same with Pascal. Though the 980m is the first maxwell of its size so the next refresh is the first.

 

Even the Mobile Maxwell refresh will probably be dragged into early 2016, they gonna milk this thing for a while until they get Pascal produced.

 

So no full GM204 just a factory overclock then?

 

Sorry, I am not in the position to freely participate in that type of conversation...

Only trying to get people to relax by bringing things into perspective. We tend to get way ahead of things and end up disappointed when nothing happens or things take much longer then leaks promise.

 

now that iris pro is real and good enough for 1080P gaming and Professional apps, will there ever be a version of P75x without the discreet GPU ?

 

Its extremely unlikely. There is zero point to having a desktop CPU if you want to run the system on battery. There also is no Optimus option for desktop chipsets as far as I'm aware. Also, regardless of what Intel tries to tell you, the Iris Pro can not compare to a discrete graphics solution.

 

what do you mean by Professional apps? Where do you read this? And how good is that "good enough"?

 

Iris pro of skylake (GT4e) with 128mb eDRAM cache and double the units of which braodwell's GT3e doesnt have.
That combined with DX12 (Intel's Mantle ?) should make 1080p gaming with medium detauls possible.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/in...ercent-faster-compared-to-broadwell-gt3e.html
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2900814/tested-directx-12s-potential-performance-leap-is-insane.html

In the era of TB3, eGPU is always an options. now imagine a 13" P75xDM with an eGPU
Clevo should keep pushing the envelop and take the opportunity that is TB3 and not make laptops like its 2010.
or
at the very least 15" P75xDM version with no dGPU as an option., It brings the price of entry significantly down

 

That is a waste of development resources. 95% of the people buying such a machine are not going to be happy with IGP. And regardless of Intel's claims, their IGPs are still not strong enough for gaming. They have made the same claim with each generation since the HD 3000 and to say they fell flat on their face every time would be an understatement.

That GPU comes with the Skylake H anyway, which is not what the desktops will have.

 

If anything, lower cost P7x0DM series opens up new markets for Clevo. Mainstream is going to have to notice a laptop with desktop performance for same or lower price point (desktop cpus are cheaper).

Folks who want the dGPU have to option to buy one anyway.

 

Clevo would have to make a mux in order for the machine to have the capability of using both an iGPU and a dGPU, Optimus would not be possible, and you would still have to purchase a dGPU when you bought the machine. A low end dGPU isn't going to add much to the cost of the machine and the eDRAM on the CPU could actually be put towards the CPU power instead of the GPU. I really don't see Clevo releasing this machine with an iGPU.

 

Just wondering if these sources of yours know anything about a refreshed P6xxSx series?

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There is nothing much new that's interesting for the P6xx series to use really, they had nice options already.

 

Skylake, the 980M successor, DDR4, USB 3.1, NMVe, HDMI 2.0.

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No, but I could maybe see them releasing with a low-mid range GPU to lower the starting price and attract more professional users. Some professional applications don't rely on a GPU, so for those scenarios, I could see someone being attracted to a portable desktop processor, but not wanting to "waste" money on a high-end gaming GPU that they don't need. Maybe continue to offer the x70M as the standard option, but offer a downgrade to a x60M or x50M if you have no need for a more powerful GPU.

 

You can buy it with an 965M, if you want. I know it's not a low end chip like the x40-Series. Maybe these slower chips do not fit into this design.

 

Tbh.
The low-end phrase cannot fit in the Clevo's Performance bracket machines/refreshes - Done with Alienware, that will never happen to Clevos as they have ballz (P570WM , P377SM-A, P7xxZM /DM- New refresh with Broadwell and nGreedia's G-Sync panels...)

Sorry, but that's the truth

 

Can anyone explain how the PCIe lanes will work?

If I want to get maximum speed out of something like the Mushkin Hyperion M.2 SSD, I can only install one of them with x4 speed? Or if I don't use wireless card, would I be able to install two of them at full x4?

Isn't the main benefit to DDR4 for consumers that we can have more total RAM in 4 DIMM slots than what is possible with DDR3? 16GB DDR4 modules are already available and soon we will be able to load up the Batman 2.0 with 512GB RAM (4 x 128GB modules), no?

 

The availability of PCIe slots will be the same as in the ZM however the DM will have PCIe 3.0 X4.
If you wanted you could take out a wireless card and use a micro usb dongle for your wireless and then you'd have an extra PCIe slot.

 

We may see 2x 3.0 split into two slots since that is still significantly faster than SATA.

 

So correct me if I'm wrong but is the G-Sync screen model only uses the inferior Samsung pentile matrix screen and not the Sharp Igzo screen? Is G-Sync only available with that particular screen?
If true that's a major setback on my ordering plans.
Would it woth the wait for Skylake?
Not sure what to do

 

Has the thunderbolt 3 been actually confirmed at this point ? I hate all this secrecy and unknown because if it doesn't amount to my expectations then it would mean it was all a waste of time. If the price and or specs are not right or even overly expensive then frankly I ain't buying.

 

Hmm.. since you are expecting much, expect a hefty price come a long with it.

There's always something new in the horizon anyway. At the time you reach the horizon, the new horizon at that point is another new horizon. Unless developers stop innovating.

Or.. you can wait till the new things come out then the price will drop.

 

First of all I never expected or wanted much, don't care about any screen over 1080p or such, don't even think about the ssd m.2 race of speed since I still plan on a 72oorpm hd and the only thing I ever wanted from the zm machine was the thunderbolt lol as the previous jb zm forums can attest to so enough of that talk pal. Also lol, I'm not looking to broaden my horizons I'm just looking for something that will give me the most user configuration options and the most upgrade potential. Lastly, there is no way to confirm any prices will drop and by looking at whats around us it seems to disprove that theory and in some cases the prices rise.

The intel chips in particular don't seem to drop at all especially since haswell is still being used in the market today and has been refreshed several times over the course of years. Same goes with nvidia gpu's look how expensive the 870 and 780 mobile chips are in comparison with todays 900 series even though the 900m's are double the performance the prices are still incredibly high for 8oom's and even earlier chips.

Its not about what "I" want or wanting the best prices per say its about giving us "all" the freedom, choices, and options on what components that will suit our individual needs whether it be budget minded or performance enthusiast and everything in the middle. That's what attracted most of us to Clevo in the first place.

 

Can you please knock off the "pal" business? It rubs people the wrong way, myself included.

 

Having the port is one thing, having good external docks without driver issues will be another.

 

Nothing has been confirmed yet;-)

Only the Samsung 4K 15" panel is running G-Sync at the moment, there is some discussion on the currently available model here:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...hes-expectations.775918/page-21#post-10022999






As a friendly and general comment because we have received a lot of direct questions about certain new models; yes we do have full knowledge and details/specifications of upcomming models but we can't confirm or deny anything because 1/ I would loose my job and 2/ the company would be in breach of several Non Disclosure Agreements:-(

 

Thanks for the answer and I definitely don't want you to lose your job, sort of wish you can breach the non disclosure agreements
Don't really need a 4K screen myself but I do see the benefits it brings just wish there was a 1080P G-Sync option for this laptop.
I guess we'll have to wait and see .

 

Other panels will be available in the ZM, just a case of waiting

 

Thanks so much for weighing in here, XMG - we can certainly understand and appreciate your situation!

Looking like the 15" P750dm with 75 Hz G-sync display would be perfect for my usage needs, even if limited to 1080p, although I suppose 3k or 4k would be nice for impromptu video demos for clients, etc.

 

Looks like I may be in the market for one of these just because of G-Sync and higher resolution displays at higher frequency without the optimus hassle. Though I'm hoping it gains at least 30-45 minutes of battery life for slight portability edge.

 

Without optimus there wont be large increases in battery life.

 

Just needs to survive for at least 1.5 Hrs and not at the 1Hr I'm seeing from my friend's machine on his P751ZM.

 

You can tweak that sort of time out by forcing the dgpu into the lowest performance state in nvidia inspector, turning on power saver and running at half brightness.

 

Is the sharp igzo 4k panel ips? Why is it so much better than the Samsung? Also would the 17 inch with 4k display have sli?

 

The sharp is a wide angle display type yes.
The sharp display uses a better sub pixel arrangement.
The 17 inch does not get an extra mxm slot, so no.

 

are the colors better? thats the biggest thing for me

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/The-Best-Notebook-Displays-As-Reviewed-By-Notebookcheck.120541.0.html

Should be useful to you. Use find on page to look for the display you want, it should not matter what the reviewed machine was.

 

So no TB3?
I would have really loved to see a 6xx with TB3. Hope they announce one.

 

TB3 should work with USB 3.1...

 

I don't really see the attraction to TB3....

 

Thunderbolt 3 would be the ultimate future proof both in raw data transfer speed and allowing for external gpu set ups. People who want to be future proofed will want it. Usb 3.1 is a gimmick and will not offer true external gpu capability. In terms of speed and actual usage usb 3.1 falls short of tb3 in every way except cost and availability.

To put it frankly no TB3 on Batman 2.0 no buy !!!!

 

Still not a huge amount of bandwidth, you only have enough for a single card and you may run into issues with that moving forward.

 

Well there is two sides to a coin and you pointed out the more negative things which we all do appreciate since nothing related to this is guaranteed, however with success of other egpu set ups and the faster bus the tb3 will still equate to having a machine that can move forward regardless of if pascal will be mxm compatible. I will say that if the forthcoming new skylake notebooks including the desktop cpu and mobile cpu's don't have tb3 options I will be forced to move on to something that will fit my future proofing needs.

 

Taking th cost of the external dock and gpu, the drop in portability, it may be better to get a new machine of course

I don't see why mxm would not be used for pascal myself, it makes it easier to fit, not harder.