*** Official Clevo P75xDM and P77xDM/Sager NP9758-G and NP9778-G "Batman 2.0" Owner's Lounge ***

Well so far this is the only clevo that is matching up to my needs when future proofing. The new skylake processors will more than likely have some refreshes for the following years and hopefully the same will be said for the mxm3b. The thunderbolt is great for a number of features and is another thing that meets my needs. Even though mxm might still be around I will still have some fun experimenting with egpu set ups since I have some extra hardware lying around. And then comes the ddr4, it wont mean much now but I have a strong feeling it may play out in the future. Since I plan on 5++ years of usage something tells me I should wait for this one and not the current zm. Lets just hope other kinks are worked out like the buzzing in the speakers and the coil whine people have been mentioning. And I need the pricing to be around the same ball park.

 

Now that one you just invented...

 

Baan begins, the dark knight and.dark knight rises.

 

Wish this thread had more poll options. I vote for a 15.6" 144Hz 1440p G-SYNC display. Pascal should be powerful enough to handle that.

It's about time notebooks had G-SYNC compatibility.

 

It's very possible the Batman 2.0 will have G-Sync for the Sharp displays. It does already have it for the Samsung 4K Display. But yes wish more laptops would have it, although it still a fairly new technology for laptops.

 

Current 15" and 17" ZM models already support G-Sync on select screens. ( 4K 15.6" Samsung and 17.3" FHD LG IPS)

Essentially all eDP screens could do it, but NVIDIA makes the OEMs pay for a per screen model license (cookie) in BIOS, same thing they did with mobile internal 3D...and killed it that way...not a single OEM ordered 3D for GTX9xxM...even Mobile Maxwell Quadros where canned...all THX to greed.

 

I'm not surprised if nVIDIA soon start selling unlocked mobile GPU's with OC capability. Just like Intel K series processors. With all these "clock-block" drama going on with their mobile GPU's they might actually testing water before jump in......................

BTW Prema I will buy Broadwell CPU for my P750ZM & will contact you to request beta BIOS.

 

They just published a clock-block-free driver:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...locked-in-350-12.771900/page-68#post-10009871

I would call that community effort.

 

We do need a much stronger AMD to keep them and Intel in check :s

 

I thought the only 17 IPS was the LG?

 

So without trying to get too carried away... But if the Batman refresh is being introduced with Skylake processors, what kind of processors can we expect? Straight off the bat will Intel have something that rivals the 4790k or will that be something that comes further down the line?.. I'm not really in the loop when it comes to what info Intel have released regarding then new CPUs tbh

I only ask because the 4790k is really the daddy at the moment, so if I am going to wait for Batman 2.0, i'd like to know if it'll be a worthy wait! Haha

*I don't expect anyone to 'know' the exact refresh config options lol and I definitely won't hold you too it. Hopefully everyone can grasp what im trying to ask *

 

Do some research on the intel-i6700K it's going to be a little bit better than the 4790K however we won't know a whole lot in regards to how much better it is from the 4790K until we get more results from benchmarking and overclocking. The config options will be similar to the original batman. But you'll have some DD4 Ram features, and by that time Samsung's SM951 NVMe SSD hard drive will be released which will give you phenomenal SSD performance.

 

Looks like 10% better: http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/82783-alleged-benchmarks-intel-i7-6700k-skylake-cpu-published/

 

6700k, gotcha! Will take a look. A Skylake processor that can compete with the 4790k along with DDR4 is literally enough for me, I don't think I need anything else to convince me to wait until Q4 of this year

Thanks for that! I'll make sure to have a thorough read

 

It would be ideal if this machine releases coincides with the release of a new nvidia card. Windows x + skylake + all new nvidia card = a portable rig that will last for years to come. http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/372329-intel-i7-6700k-skylake-cpu-benchmarks-appear/

Also with the new dm models I would like to see larger batteries options and options for optimus.
***Before I get rage type responses just note I said option*** meaning both a non optimus model and a optimus model to choose from. This is my opinion and what I would like to see especially since skylake will have a stronger iris graphics than even before on those chips. It would be a waste in my humble opinion to have iris on a notebook and not be able to use it.

And it would be nice to have a extended life 12 cell battery to choose from. If there is a black out it would be nice to at least be able to watch a normal timed movie without the thing shutting down LOL. A 12cell battery would allow for longer usage in that kind of scenario. Clevo placed the battery in the front so it may bulge it since it would be a larger case but I dont mind if it means longer play times plus it may raise it a bit which is great for cooling.

 

For the last time, Optimus won't appear on this machine. It uses a desktop chipset and desktops do not have Optimus. Considering that Optimus is not a popular option among enthusiasts in the first place, I don't see Clevo wasting resources engineering something that 99% of the people who buy the machine will not want.

If you want battery life and Optimus, you're going to have to buy a BGA machine. End of story. There's no way you're going to see any decent battery life with a 95W desktop CPU.

 

You also wont get Clevo making two motheboards for the same model, having a MUX would be cheaper.

Also there wont be an all new Nvidia chip, at most it would be a GM204 with more shaders enabled.

 

I dont expect to have decent battery life with a 95w skylake chip and the 8cell battery however skylake will have several options not just 95w. http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-l...-y-skylake-h-skylake-u-launch-september-2015/
The 65w option combined with a larger battery and a way to switch graphics would increase the battery and all I am doing is putting out what I would like. I said why not just let the forum know what I'm thinking anyway just for topic sake.

Edit of post:
Been doing some research on optimus and it seems it really is giving some people problems since some programs are restricted to intergrated graphics instead of the more powerful discrete graphics. Unfortunately even when plugged in the user has no option to turn optimus off and now I see how that can be an issue. I own a older notebook with switchable graphics from Ati and never had some of the issues current optimus users are complaining of but it seems to be a problem for many. Until this is corrected by both intel and nvidia I will no longer comment on this or request this feature.

I understand and I appreciate what you said about the MUX method and that would be even better than what I proposed and I know others here have mentioned it already so I get it. The next nvidia card would still be new and it will out perform the current 980m and thats all I meant. Having a skylake + windows x + new nividia would be a solid combo for a notebook to release with and thats all I meant by that.

 

Right, the IPS is the LG...

 

anyone got any idea how much will this P750DM? Considering the time it launched.. DDR4 memory for laptop is still new and all.. will it be overpriced?

 

You have to ask ?

Of course it will; first adopters always pay the markup (recuperating development cost), once that crowd's been saturated then prices will drop by 1/3 th or so and the not-necessarily-the-latest-but-still-want-good-stuff people are up. And only after that will you pay pure production cost (+ profit margin).

Here's an aptly titled article, explaining the concept;

Spoiler: Don’t buy the Galaxy S5 when it launches next month

Clevo's certainly not as extreme as this, but DDR4's not going to help here. If you can wait and do with a little less; memory, storage and cpu's especially are prone to this effect.

 

Just comparing the cost between Crucial DDR3/4 retail:

8GB SODIMM
DDR3: $92.99
DDR4: $138.99

16GB Kit:
DDR3: $111.99
DDR4: $277.99

Its gon'na cost a wee-bit more. I'd wager the unit itself (sans processor and RAM) is going to be a $100.00 more than current model. Then add in the additional cost of the DDR4 and Skylake so maybe $200.00 more, just my conservative estimate.

 

Hopefully dd3 will be supported on the same board and skylake should be around the same price as current haswell prob a bit more. Broadwell from what I seen are the real expensive chips.

 

DDR3 and DDR4 have different pinouts so that will not happen.

 

Oh man. you gotta be kidding me. This changes everything then.

 

DDR3 also have better timings than DDR4. I really hope Clevo will stick with DDR3 for first gen Skylake platform.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UniDIMM

 

Great news (if Clevo adopts it, that is). Would be perfect to recycle old banks, wait a year and then upgrade to DDR4 (at lower cost/higher capacity/speed/reliability, whatever the motivation).

edit:
Even better; it'll have to supply power to accommodate DDR3 which is, if this is still valid, much higher than equivalent DDR4. So ... 40% less power for similar bandwidth, subtract power for ~20% higher speed, leaves 20% more power than the DDR4 banks would normally need; oc potential only found on a UniDIMM system.

 

Yeah but then again the unidimm system itself may cause more expense. I'm kinda concerned about the price of this future dm model. I hope clevo/sager remember that the price is one of the major selling points to their machines and provide plenty of options to suit a wide range of clients. I'm not afraid to say I was disappointed with how most sager/clevo retailers did not provide the price or options I wanted for the first zm. Some stores had good prices but few options then other stores had much more options like cheaper cpu's but the overall price was still higher. Even a barebones build did not give me the prices I needed and even with missing parts still averaged about the same.

 

Clevo has a unique product... They can charge what they want for it. The P570WM was not cheap either. If you ask me, the ZM was an anomaly.

 

That is likely just going to increase costs even more. Unless you can use current low price DIMMs and not specially manufacture them then the cost will be prohibitive.

 

Hardware or firmware?

 

I'm tempted on getting the current zm but having the fresh new skylake and thunderbolt is what I wanted from the original in the first place. I'm staring to wonder if the zm will still be sold along side this new one since broadwell chips are expected soon and aside from the cpu board everything else is similar. Whadaya think pals?

 

Been asking this for a while. They say hardware, but if hardware , what RAID controller chip are they using?

 

1.) Willing to bet the ZM will still be sold when the DM is release. It will appear cheaper compared to the DM and will satisfy the value-buyers.
2.) Is there a bios upgrade for this laptop that allows Broadwell? I know the Z97 chipsets are compatible with Broadwell but only by bios update from the vender. Even if it isn't, the only thing you'll get with Broadwell compared to Haswell is the die-shrink and the Iris Graphics for integrated, which for this laptop is pointless.

 

The original zm is pretty expensive as it is and selling it along side the dm model is what I think will happen also. As far as value I goes I think the original zm is pretty expensive and If clevo is smart they will price it with similar tags and options while reducing the zm. As for what you said about the igpu I agree and that also goes for skylake as well . Essentially the ddr4 and or the skylake chips is where I see the increase.

edit
If they do replace the zm I could understand also since broadwell is the last and only offers a lower tdp die shrink and iris. I think it would make sense to replace the zm line completely now that I think of it. And for all we know its possible ddr3 may still even be used in the DM since skylake supports both.

 

It's very unlikely for any hardware RAID to be present when firmware is already there and about as good. Not to mention a hardware RAID chip could make things more messy when you're not trying to use it.

 

By firmware you mean Intel Chipset?

 

Who knows? This anomaly might become the norm and that's what I'm hoping for

Agreed.. I don't see costs going down with this.. Just see it as a way for Intel/RAM makers to suck more money..

The ZM with Z97 chipset will support Broadwell.. Clevo are releasing a BIOS update and Prema already has a BETA or something of it.. @Prema can you give more details plz?

 

Yes, firmware raid is controlled via the bios so is bootable but is still run off the cpu.

 

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. The whole point of hardware RAID is to unload the RAID work from the CPU.
I have 3 machines here with RAID done through the chipset. But Intel Chipset RAID is still considered software RAID, not hardware.

 

I have added Broadwell support in my own beta Mod, some review units have been shipped with it to different sites, so you should see some first results soon...

 

Broadwell is still not available to buy, I will definitely buy it as soon as Amazon UK have them in stock. Maybe next week........

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Q4 2015 is too late considering the CPus are coming out in August
also DisplayPort is 1.2 ?

 

And allow OSes that's don't support boot from software RAID (Windows included) do boot from the RAID without hacking boot loaders.

RAIDing a system partition with modern SSDes would bring almost no benefit for actual usage, but boot time could still get lower.


Speaking of Boardwell, can we expected significantly better performance on a thermally limited platform like this a laptop? Could there be more OC headroom?

 

Yea I hear you but it will be worth the wait. As far as Displayport 1.2 blame Nvidia.... none of their cards yet support Displayport 1.3. They should (as in it would be nice if they did) launch their next gen card this fall, but it may not be until CES/Q1. In the interim I'll feed you some good tech appetizers while we wait.. It's important to understand though that timing in this industry is key.

Manufactures have to be very strategic in their timing like they could come out with it sooner but to succeed they have to wait so to speak for the "Perfect Storm" a combination of cutting edge components.

There is a lot of cool technologies coming online that are important for manufactures like Clevo to consider. Such as..

SSD NVMe - A great article! Phison supplies SSD manufactures like Crucial, Kingston etc.. with their Phison controller. Crucial, & Kingston are position well and may one up Samsung because it's partners are on track to produce a 1TB PCIe SSD and also include encryption on the fly which Samsung hasn't mentioned anything about, and may not even support that feature as Samsung's current SM951 SSD does not support encryption on the fly. Samsung's SM951 also runs hot because their controller is using an architecture of 30-40nm the memory on the other hand is much smaller.

Anyways that's just one of many awesome cool feature that is coming online.

Another exciting feature is Thunderbolt 3.0

Watch Intel's Computex Keynote Presentation here

Hope you enjoy those I'll have some more interesting stuff to post in the coming days : )

 

Similar overall on this platform, maybe a couple of percent faster.

 

Phison doesn't supply Crucial with SSDs. Intel Micron(Crucial) IMFT produce NAND Flash and manufacture their own SSDs. Phison produces controllers used in SSDs. Crucial's 2012 V4 has a Phison controller.

 

Ooooooh exciting! Is this all news from Computex?

 

TB3 uses a USB3.1 type-c connector, that's the reason it is listed as a 'combo port' on the spec sheet...