*** Official Clevo P75xDM and P77xDM/Sager NP9758-G and NP9778-G "Batman 2.0" Owner's Lounge ***

We will have the Skylake models in stock at the same time as Sager, but we have a little stock of the Haswell version left and also took stock of the Broadwell version. I may be wrong, but I think someone said that they don't have any Haswell versions left and so I guess it makes sense to put the Skylake versions online rather than having nothing. We generally launch closer to stock delivery dates and as this is several weeks away we just haven't made the official announcement yet!

 

What happens to unsold stock in the pc business? does it get returned,kept till its sold out or what?

 

Depends who has the stock and where the bought it from. Some reseller relationships (I'm not talking about Sager resellers here, companies like high street stores and so on who don't build to order but may purchase set config systems) will have a clause in their contract to cover this. To clarify my post, the Haswell and Broadwell stock that we have isn't a problem, it'll be sold no issue - we just hold a lot of stock and there's usually an overlap in stock between the "old" and "new" gen products. Better to have too much than not enough ;-)

 

Makes sense i just always wondered and seem like a good time to ask since you mentioned.I welcome new technology and like leaving on the cutting edge but sometimes i feel that having new tech every few months can be a burden because before you burn through the first few stock there's already something new on the horizon.again like you said it depends on the relationships.

 

Alright I just got my new P750DM barebone from RJTech last night, and promptly assembled it! I probably didn't do as good a job with thermal pasting the cpu as I would have liked, but I really want to get this thing up and running to see all of the features are working.
I am using the Core i5 6600K because Newegg was being a jerk with the Core i7 7600K requiring combo items to purchase, and wouldnt sell just the cpu by it self.
That looks like it has changed by now, but im not ready to buy a new cpu just yet, I will probably wait a month or two before doing that, until then I think my thermal material pasting job will hold up.
Looks like the temps are good for now, the GPU is holding at 70C while under use. I am using the 970M btw. Right now I am charging up and draining down the battery, while sitting with the laptop on my lap using the battery only, the GPU is idling at 46C.
I still have yet to find a app that will show me the CPU's temp, but I haven't stress tested the CPU just yet.
I purchased two pieces of Kingston HyperX 2400mhz 8GB DDR4 ram chips, for 16GB.
So far the memory seems okay, I think I have a mem testing tool someplace.
So far the only thing that I am having issues with is, when I removed the keyboard to install my memory in the slots beneath the keyboard,
the keyboard it self will not firmly sit back into place. I removed two screws from the bottom to gain access to the keyboard, installed the memory and placed it back, redid the screws and only half of my keyboard is snuggly in place.
I checked the little notches that follow along side the keyboard, and only half of them seem to have caught back on the sides of the keyboard.
If I tap on the Page Up button, everything is snug like it should be. If I tap on the escape key, the keyboard bounces up and down like its not held in place firmly. I tried to run a small flat head screw driver along the sides where the latches are supposed to snap back out and grab the keyboard, they don't seem to want to come out, they just sit inside after being pushed against with the screw driver.
Does any one have better experience with reinstalling Clevo keyboards?
Should there be more than just two screws to hold down the keyboard? Because last night when I had everything apart, I only recall seeing two screws.

Thank you for any help you guys can provide me!
JADabandon.

 

Lookie here... thanks to LPC-Digital.

 

My quick overview is uploading now. Should be at about the 7 minute mark. Will post as soon as available.

 

Thanks! Look forward to it! I have a feeling I'll spend the next year or two constantly upgrading this laptop!

 

Here you go.

 

Thank you so much @HTWingNut! Can always count on you for awesome videos, informative, concise and great video quality. This just makes me even more excited for my P770DM-G that should be on its way shortly from Mythlogic.

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deleted. some how posted to an old response.

 

I'm considering purchasing the entry 751DM-G with a 970m and a 6600k with 8gb ram but I'm tempted with a 6700 (non k) also and I see its rated as 65w compared to 91w that the i5k and i7k have.

Will the i7 65w make this run cooler or more efficient ie longer on battery than the i5k 91w?

Does anyone here know if the i7 6700 can be overclocked or tweaked even though its not the k version. Saw some reports online that some non k chips can be oc is any of this true ?

 

lol, nice computername @megabatman also liking the Workgroup name!

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It couldn't just be Batman. Couldn't think of an interesting name for it... Should have called it Dark Knight Rises...

 

No they can't OC.. I expect a lock on multipliers..

Now ppl, in my experience with the Batman, get the 6700K... The 4790K runs got supposedly but mine barely hits 80C when I'm running Metal Gear Solid 5 maxed out.. This is on auto.. Just make sure you paste with some good paste, I used ICD will use Gelid GC Extreme when I repaste next.. Don't put too much but don't put too little..

BF4 does murder the CPU but mine is actually undervolted -65mV and -35 on cache and 4.3GHz on 4 cores.. I can do 4.4 on these settings and could probably do 4.5.. I know the 6700K won't be that good but go with it and cross your fingers... The Batman can cool it for sure...



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6700k should do well I would think. But we will see. You got a great undervolter and overclocker there for sure with your i7-4790k.

 

When I got my Batman 1.0, I purchased it with the Xeon E3 1271, and it ran pretty cool, better temps than what anybody with the 4790K posted (I would get XTU stress test temps of around 70C).

My opinion is that unless you NEED beastly CPU power for your professional tasks, or are an enthusiast who likes to OC, there's no need for the i7-6700k. Games won't see much difference, if any (barring a few select titles). You will save on heat, noise, power consumption (aka battery life) and $$.

Eurocom has put their Sky X4 (P750DM) up for sale, and man I'm REALLY tempted to buy it. I don't need that kind of power, but the geek on my left shoulder is telling me to get it. The reasonable father/husband on my right shoulder is telling me not to get it. Damn.

Are folks getting the Killer or Intel card this time around?

 

I know HT.. After all the crap with Alienware, this Clevo has been great.. Thinking of specing is out a bit further and getting a new one 2-3 years down the road... Might get the 980 once the MXM version is out or might wait for Pascal.. Whichever way I'm happy finally

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Awesome videos, if possible could you compare the sizes of the chassis to other laptops like the dm vs the 17in zm and the p650? I would also love to see the tb3 port in action but you would need 2 4k monitors and the appropriate cables and such and that's probably too much to ask but I did anyway so let us know and even if you cant test the tb3 I'm anxious to see the testing you already have planned .

Thanks I was actually going for the original batman with the standard 4700 (non k) or i5k so im in pretty much the same boat of figuring out which cpu suits me best. On the 2.0 batman the i7 (k's) really bump up the price and with the sockets being so new I didnt want to put all my chips on a heavy duty cpu just yet. Its great to know that the original beast is cooling the 4.4ghz well though and the icd or gce does a great job .

Thanks, I'm getting different responses from all sides of the spectrum which does help me decide. My main choices are between i7 6700 (non K) and the i5 6600k since the pricing is more in my range and again I feel there will be more refreshes down the line so max power of a i7 K is not important to me now. Speaking of Eurocom they have the best pricing when it comes to the stock i7 6700 (not the K) config in my area . Then again with the i5 6600k the prices are lowest in general since no other cpu options are available atm. Even with the other options it would still wind down to the 6700 65w or the 6600k 91w. As far as wifi goes I'm sticking with all base options so for me its the standard killer card.

 

My finger is hovering over the "order" button...so tempting...

 

Do it...... Lol.

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Same here brother... But on the 17'' model.
Still can't decide between the regular 6700 or the 6700K.

I'll probably go with the regular one. Overclocking on a laptop doesn't make sense to me, heat dissipation isn't always going to be perfect and throttling will be there.
Undervolting would be quite nice, but for that I would just go with a cheaper and slower CPU.

 

Well, you can undervolt with any CPU using XTU.

 

Ok I caved in and ordered. Damn Clevo and their awesome machines.

 

Ironically, if you price this out in CAD and convert it to USD at current FX rates (don't choose the USD currency drop-down option), I think Eurocom's prices are (for once) very competitive with XoticPC and others.

http://www.eurocom.com/ec/configure(1,331,0)ec

 

Ah, nice! Underclocking too? Like multiple profiles for just battery use?

BTW, congrats on your order

 

No, over/underclocking requires an unlocked multiplier. But you can easily adjust voltages on any CPU using Intel XTU.

 

wat

 

@Bullrun

I know, I know...using my own words against me and such...

In my defense though, it appears (based on current pricing) that the price differential between the P650RE and P750DM will be closer to $300 than $500.

 

I'm reading some of the posts here and am confused. Do the desktop CPUs throttle a lot because of temps? In previous models? My laptop recently died and I'm looking into either a P750DM or P650RG. My old machine had a i7-3840QM in it and it would usually sustain around 3.5GHz on all cores once it started throttling (regardless of whether I had the all cores turbo clock at stock 3.6 or oc'd to 4.0).

My decision really comes down between the 6700K or the 6820HK. I would love to have something running 4.0GHz and not being ridiculous on the temperatures. I know the K series CPUs are unlocked, but do the laptops actually allow the ability to take advantage of that?

 

I "Liked" your post - decision to buy. No defense needed. Just the humor, I couldn't resist.

I encourage all prospective buyers to go with modular components, if possible, to reward Clevo for being the only manufacturer giving us the freedom to choose this option.

 

If the P7xxZM´s are anything to go by, as soon as you unplug from the wall the cpu will not be allowed to go past 2.2ghz (iirc).

If you want to go lower, i think ThrottleStop allows setting multipliers even with a non K cpu.

No. (P7xxxM´s)
No. (P7xxZM´s)
Yes, with a little love. (P7xxxM´s) Running my 4790K at 4.4ghz/4cores with -75mv.

 

No need to go with modular components to reward Clevo - just buy a Clevo, any Clevo. That was my plan from the start, since any money going towards Clevo will reward them for what they're doing, which is providing us with choice.

They have a ton of different offerings

BGA
W230SD - 13", Core i7 + GTX 960M
N150SD -15", Core i7 + GTX 960M + optical drive
P650XX/670XX - 15"/17", Core i7, up to GTX 980M, slim/light model

Sockets
Batman/Batman 2.0 - Desktop CPU, up to GTX 980M, 15".17"
P870DM - Desktop CPU, up to SLI GTX 980M or single desktop 980, 17"
A whole lot of older models with SLI setups

Clevo makes a model of notebook for pretty much any preference you may have. Buying a Clevo means you're voting with your wallet for a company that produces anything from small, entry-level BGA laptops to slim "mainstream" laptops to monster laptops with desktop CPUs and SLI 980Ms.

So far I've bought six Eurocom (Clevo) machines. While I appreciate certain aspects of other mainstream brands (ASUS, MSI) I feel that Clevo is the one who currently deserves my money, as they're doing what I believe is right (or the "most" right, given current NVIDIA and Intel shenanigans).

 

I have one more question. I guess it isn't really specific to the batman but any PCIe x4 M.2 SSD capable machine.

I did have my eye on the SM951 a couple months ago as my next step up from the conventional 2.5" SSD (and now I'm waiting to hear more on the NVMe 950 from Samsung). But I've heard these things have some serious overheating issues making them unsuitable to sit in a P75xxM.

 

Last i checked That was only for Canada area. Shipping to USD has to be paid USD .Though +1 what you said it would be super kool,I'd have hit that order button twice

 

Very well put. I didn't even know who Clevo was 6 months ago when I started searching for laptops that were more power focused than aesthetically pleasing or the coolest, slimmest, 2 in 1 etc and in the last 6 months of research and looking at the 750/770ZM and having now placed my order for a 770DM I'm really pleased by how much they seem to stand out in terms of what they offer in the way of uogradeability and focusing more energy towards how the laptop functions instead of spending all their R&D budget on using the newest, lightest alloy for the case. No company is perfect but by and large I've been happy with where they are as a company.

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Not necessarily. Get a quote from them in CAD, then contact them and offer them the USD equivalent at today's FX rate, see what they say. For example, using today's FX rate, the base version of their Sky X4 should be around $1500 USD ($1999 CAD). Try haggling.

 

Thanks for the idea,that i will try

 

@jclausius or @SierraFan07 : Have either of you succeeded with installing windows 7 to an NVME drive?

I've been reading about the process and it's not apparent to me whether or not this is actually possible. Apparently a Windows 7 driver can/must be loaded during the Win7 installation, but I've also read conflicting reports that this didn't work. I'd rather not install 8.1 and downgrade to 7 (as I have a fresh copy of 7, and no copies of 8.1). I've also read that partitioning the drive as GPT vice MBR helps, but that seems to present the tricky issue of having to create multiple partitions from within the windows 7 setup program, and then somehow merging those partitions once installation is complete. Anyway, point is I've seen a lot of speculation and no method which is confirmed to work.

 

Unfortunately, I don't yet have my machine, and the 950 Pro is not out yet. From what I can tell, there is throttling that may occur at some point, but I don't know what those thermal limits may be.

If it *is* an issue, which no one knows yet, ppl have suggested trying memory-type heat spreaders placed on the drive's chips, so that is an option available. Sorry I cannot offer more than that right now.

 

Sorry, I don't have the machine/drive to know, and was planning on starting with Win 10 to begin with.

However, I *think* it is possible. See if the video/info from RamCity (which includes Win 7) helps - https://www.ramcity.com.au/blog/how-to-install-windows-8.1-on-the-samsung-xp941-ss/138296#full-video

 

Sorry @bfishman,i dont have my laptop yet and I'm pretty the sure the SM951 I got through Mythlogic is the ACHI one and as much as I love Windows 7 I work in IT support and so we will be migrating to Win10 in the next 6 months most likely and so I need to start using it myself so I can try to get out in front of alot of the support issues. I actually found the same link @jclausius found. It looks like the main main issues are ensuring your boys has NVME boot support and that possibly a hot fix is applied to the Win7 install that allows it to install and run correctly on NVMe.

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Thanks for the response guys. Come mid October I will follow the ramcity guide you posted and let everyone know how it went!

 

Notice I wrote "if possible". Always have a caveat. Never buy what isn't right for you but buy a Clevo.

I think the bolded is their decision to offer modular CPU + GPU. I wanted CPU Powah! and was very glad to see the ZMs. My wallet voted Clevo. And another vote of encouragement to continue modular while they still have a choice.

I think ZM sales helped. But that's information I don't know. @XMG , @Sager_Resellers, @mythlogic , @Clevo_Rebranders care to enlighten?

I think the N155RD & N170RD refreshes, up on Mythlogic (Pollux1415S & Nyx1415S), are great choices for the feature set; ODD, Skylake, DDR3. The N155RD has a SIM card slot option for some vendors, mostly EU, I think.

 

I think clevo/sager do well to offer a nice range depending on the kind of higher performance options you are after at each budget level, they cover more ground than others.

 

Some people need things lighter/smaller. I don't blame that. BUT WHO DOESN'T NEED MOAR GPU POWER

I shall clear your confusion.

No, as long as you set it up well your temps will be fine, barring a warped heatsink.

That's partially because the EM series wasn't great and needed a LOT of work to get into good shape. I can personally tell you that your laptop had potential to cool far better than you're describing.

Spoiler: look at my pathetic CPU heatsink

Spoiler: Linpack couldn't throttle me

If you want uncompromised power, take the 6700K. It's the better chip, and there's no guarantee that the 6820HK will continue to hold its TDP over long periods of time. And the CPU cooling is far better in the DM models anyway.

 

You know, I was just busting your chops a little. And I'll set you right back up. I only have the 970M and I don't need MOAR GPU POWAH!

 

Hello again. For those of you planning to install windows 7 (I can't be the only one..), I have some news-

According to my reseller:

I'm a stalwart.. sticking with Win7 mostly because I disagree with MS's privacy practices ("User telemetry Reporting" that can't be disabled built right into W10... and then backported into windows 8.1 shortly after its release!). But good to know.

 

Wat

 

Looks like they are still eyeing the 15th for Win 7 to be able to be installed on the orders. I don't think I have heard of any changes on that as of yet.