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interesting... just too bad he doesnt give any info on what exactly he changed will give them a try though

 

I currently have Mr. Fox's modified drivers installed but they didn't resolve the stuttering for me unfortunately. I'll keep them anyways because 344.75 seems to be the least offending of the drivers when it comes to stuttering in my tests.

 

sooooo i missed the delivery and now i have to wait untill monday. . _ .

 

Damn, that's super unlucky :/

I know how tortuous the waiting game is. Hang in there!

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OMG..... I would be distraught.

So sorry man.

 

Hey guys, I'm thinking about buying the P651SE and dumping my old x7200 since the msi g60 and gigabyte p35x are not more in consideration because of heat issues.
Qestion: is a Samsung SSD XP941 bootable in the P651SE?
If yes what would be the better choice in form of transfer speeds 1 xp941 or a raid 0 out of 2 good msata drives. Thanx 4 this awesome thread info over flow

Thx and greets from Berlin
Phillip

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moin moin digga!

the xp941 is indeed bootable with win8.1 in uefi mode.

single drive is always better than raid unless u abso-friggin-lutely need those faster transfer speeds, but thats a moot point anyways cuz ure comparing sata with pcie 2.0 4x smal file size performance is most important in everyday system performance, and thats where single drives kick raid butt cuz of the overhead ressources required to divide up the data between the two or more drives

cheers!

btw, crazy swap going from an x7200 to this *lol*

 

Just curious if you tried 344.00 that comes on the laptop driver disc? I don't see any stuttering on my NP8652 but not really running any intense games for very long at all - been enjoying Diablo 3 too much lately! I have held off updating any graphics drivers as I am seeing quite a few issues with the newer drivers being posted here.

 

Yep, tried every driver from 344.00 to 347.09. I discussed the issue with Pro-Star and have created an RMA ticket for the laptop. They are going to take a look at it and hopefully resolve the issue and if they cant they will exchange it out for another laptop.

If you aren't experiencing any stuttering now I wouldn't worry about it, this issue doesn't seem to be affecting every P650SG owner. I noticed the stuttering from the moment I loaded up my first game and after every troubleshooting issue known to me it still happens. RMA is the next logical step.

 

@jaybee83
Thx for this profound answer.
Crazy swap..
Not really in terms of power and weight it's a pretty good one.
X7200 7.5 kg vs P651SE 3.5kg (including power supply)
x7200 has atm a old i7 980 6x3.3ghz, 24 gigs of ram, a 2gb Radeon 6970,
P651SE i7-4720hq cpu is pretty much the same in terms of computing power.
I can put 32gigs of ram in it, and the 980 has double the vram plus aprox 8 times the power of the R-hd6970.
I think I will be pretty happy with it ^^
The only thing I need now is a reseler that's not so high price like xmg-schenker or mifcom.

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did you install the latest BIOS/EC ?
did you install the latest hotkey software 3.09.xx ?

 

I installed the latest Hotkey (3.09.21) but I have not touched my BIOS. I don't want to run into any warranty issues and since the RMA process has already started I don't want to head down that path. There is a thread about this issue over at the Geforce forums with over 110 pages and updating BIOS hasn't fixed the issue for those users and I don't expect it to fix my issue either. I'll go ahead and leave that business up to Pro-Star.

Thanks for the suggestions though, I am completely open to trying anything besides the BIOS updates at this point!

 

Well, I'm pretty sure it's the bios/ec not being up to date, someone over a french forum had stutters and that fixed it...he installed the XMG bios (mysn) + EC. But pro star can probably do it for you, just make sure to tell them to update your bios before going deeper.

 

Servus philsko, the cheapest one is one.de ! But the screen is not the same like in xmg notebooks. It's a normal TN display.

And one.de don't sell UMTS Moduls. So if this is important for you, you have to go with xmg.

I made a list for me in Excel. Pm me if you're interested.

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I'm suffering stutters too. Hmm... is the XMG bios the only one that fixes the problem (i.e. the most up to date)? I don't want the XMG logo on my clean P650SG

 

if its only that u can just send some beer money over to prema together with the xmg bios and hell swap out the bios boot image to whatever u want inside 10 seconds

 

ahh.. nice to see Sager may be on their game as my bios is 1.03.03RLS1 and EC is 1.03.04. I checked Prema's versions and looks like I am current and I already updated to the latest hotkey so explains why I am not seeing any issues. Thanks for the info!

What do you fine folks use to dump the running bios/ec? Just wanting to get a copy of them if I ever think of going to Prema or if I need to flash back to stock.

 

I know that early bios versions cause stutters in games people suffered stutters in games and after updating their bios not one stutter so for me it's quite clear. But sadly sometimes the problem can come from hardwares issues (throttle etc,) but that doesn't seem to be the problem here...


If you hate getting your hands dirty with IC7, modding and bios update don't buy a clevo . CLEVO are meant for people who are familiar with laptop not mainstream users who want just a "plug and play" computer i think.

 

I know here with UPS you can call and have them hold it for a late pickup at their facility. I've done that numerous occasions, especially on a Friday.

 

As always you're right man.

Anyway loving the laptop. Kinda missing the P751ZM mightiness but the P650SG is a great machine. Love the silence, love the keyboard feel, love the 980M. The screen has a slight leak on the top left but it's not that much of a problem since you barely notice it on black background.

Only two problems: the battery, which sometimes starts randomly to charge, and the audio that's not so loud via headphones (albeit acceptable). Only if there was an option to start charging battery only when drops under 60%, as I had in my Lenovo... a ping to Prema, can you add it in the BIOS?

 

Exactly the same issue i had, tested all the different tips but couldnt get it to work.

 

Tried flashing Prema's BIOS/vBIOS?

 

Mismatched BIOS/EC versions are the cause of these stutter issues, which are in fact CPU related and nothing to do with the GPU at all.

I can confirm that updating both to the latest versions solves the problem. I have come across this issue too.

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Awesome that's good to know, I'll go ahead and inform Pro-Star that updating BIOS + EC worked for another P650SG user. I'm totally fine with flashing the BIOS myself but at this stage I'm just going to go through the RMA process and let Pro-Star handle the troubleshooting. I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty though!

 

I installed Prema BIOS/vBIOs first thing so I havent had an issue there.

 

Just a question... to install stock bios/ec, do you need to create the bootable flash too? Or is it necessary for Prema's BIOS only?

Plus, freeDOS is ok or MS DOS is mandatory?

 

Yes (bootable flash is required) and yes (FreeDOS is fine).

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Just a question whilst waiting for the laptop (lol), if i undervolt the cpu by let's say -80mV, will this give me more room for oc 980M with prema's mod? and while im at it, how much do you guys managed to oc the cpu without heat or power problems?

Thank you

 

it would indeed give u a bit more OC room with regard to power consumption limits with the stock PSU, although i wouldnt expect miracles it would probably be in the range of several watts at most.

the cpu is not unlocked, so u cannot overclock it as u please. the max. overclock u can apply to 47xx series cpus would be +200 mhz, thats it. at that oc i would expect pretty much any individual 4720HQ cpu to be stable heat- and processing-wise

 

I ran out of power before my GPU can even reach its full potential. Know any PSU I can try to replace the 180W? PowerNotebooks said they dont have any supporting PSU for higher wattage on the SG/SE.

 

check the OP on how to upgrade to a Dell 240W psu just need the correct adapter cable for it to fit the P65x series...

 

Yes Jaybee83, ik that but if u oc 200mhz, how much more heat will it output? and secondly, where is "check the OP on how to upgrade to a Dell 240W psu" ? haven't seen it :S

 

Get yourself a Dell PA-9e charger and a BiXPower X75 adapter, you're good as gold. Worked for me.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=dell+pa-9e&_sop=15
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BiXPower-X7...031?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ce8450c67

Mind you, there are several brands of PSU and they might be sold as Dell PA-9e compatible, try to get a real one to be safe.

On a non related matter: a little while back there was a discussion about 3GB being enough or not and it was shown with graphs to be sufficient. Anybody know where that was, this topic or elsewhere? I'd like to look at those graphs again but can't find them...

 

check the last post from tijgert, he basically did exactly whats linked in the MOD SECTION OF THE OP! does anyone even bother going through the OP....?

btw, 200 mhz more will not really affect the heat output that much, id expect just a few degrees difference, nothing to write home about...

 

Tapatalk is weird in not being capable of loading fast enough on data. ;P

 

For the vram comparison: try to find wickette posts, he is the expert on this. He linked several time a Russian website doing gpu in game measurement, and I think the vram graph you look after is here.

On a side note, you can check Htwingnut's review in the OP, you will find that every game, even the 6gb-demanding like shadow of mordor are running fine @Fhd and ultra

 

I just got my Sager 8651 a few days ago, repasted with IC Diamond, the stock paste job was worse than a straight to dvd budget horror film. I might re-paste as I'm not entirely happy with my temps so I want to check out how my paste job was and just redo it.

It's stable around 90c after few hours of Civilization: Beyond Earth and this is including a -50mV (-0.05V) undervolt, this temp matches stress test temp as well. GPU max was around 71c.

I undervolted to -100mV (-0.1V) and ran a half hour stress test and that seemed to improve temperatures by around 5c however after the stress test completed and I began using the system it wasn't stable so I'll be fine tuning when I have time. I think my 4720's tolerance is somewhere between -90mV (-0.09V) to -50mV (-0.05V)

If only the CPU heatsink had 3 heat pipes rather than 2 for such a hot generation of processors.

 

are you sure that the heatpipes may not be defective? and when u remove the heatsink, does it look like the paste has spread good and even btw?

 

I'll get back to you when I take them off to inspect the situation. I'm also not using a laptop cooler or propping it up so I can get a real-life ambient benchmark of the temperatures.

 

LoneSyndal - I see from your signature that you have a Sharp 4K display. Can you please tell me how your battery life, while not gaming ?

I am interested in buying this for use as a developer laptop, your experience and feedback will help greatly.

 

Depends on usage. If you have some power option adjustments and turboboost off, can reach 2-2.5 hours with brightness at 33%. Without the screen you can probably reach 3.5 hrs.

 

Yeah, it's around 3 hours maximum.

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How bad is the backlight bleed on the P650SE's (or SA/SG) stock TN panel? The last Sager notebook I owned was plagued with severe backlight bleed. The same could be said about my ex-boyfriends W230SS. I read one account where someone who replaced their P650SE's screen with an IPS claimed the culprit could be the bezel rather than the panel itself.

 

I have the Matte LG IPS Panel 1920x1080, an excellent panel, could be a tad brighter but an excellent screen. Zero backlight bleed on my panel.

I can completely understand where the bezel might be the culprit, I noticed it has some flex on mine when i pinch the bezel and the backside, almost like the screen is too thin for the bezel. The one downside is that the screen is rather flexible and if you're not used to it like me you end up opening and closing the laptop like you're performing surgery.

I would however opt for the IPS panel, it is the superior choice and absolutely no trace of backlight bleed.

 

I have the IPS matte FHD and while the screen is great there is some bleed in the upper right corner. Nothing exceptional, you barely notice it on dark scenes, but it's there. Anyway, yeah, go for the IPS. The colors are great and the relatively low response time offers a great gaming experience too - today I was playing some good ol' UT2004 in instagib and the screen reacted well.

Anyway... it is just me or the headphone volume is annoyingly low?

 

I am hoping the headphone output is really loud and crisp as they advertise it as being amplified...

 

I was hoping the same thing however that is not quite the case, the headphone output to my Logitech G430's is in my opinion sub-par.

I've also had some issues and confusion with the drivers so I may need to re-install them but I doubt that would do much.

Overall I'm not impressed and their amplified claim is misleading.

 

That's actually really disappointing, I was really looking forward to using these with my M50x's. I hope it is a driver issue, false advertising sucks.

 

Can anyone recommend a good sleeve for this laptop that can withstand drops? I've been looking at the Incase Icon sleeve, but don't think this laptop will fit in it.

 

Can folks recommend any place to buy the P650SE in Europe? I will have it shipped to my sister who is an international student in Germany.
Also, can she get the EU vat refunded?